[NFBCS] vm ware desktop

Thu Sep 10 16:39:57 UTC 2020

Hi,

Any comments are appreciated.
I thought the company it guy had to install nvda as well.
Thanks,
Bryan

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Subject: Re: [NFBCS] vm ware desktop

Hi Bryan, what I am saying in a nut shell is that I am suggesting that nvda
may suit your purposes depending upon the level of complexity of the
activities you are trying to accomplish after you login to this vm depending
upon if 1 you are willing to try it and 2 the vm already has a sound driver
installed inside of it as you could run nvda from a network share and if you
use the portable version you do not need an administrator to install it.
After all, unless your IT support person uses jaws him or herself, I'm
relatively confident that he/she is likely less familiar with what needs to
be done to make this work than you are yourself, and based upon the messages
in this thread it sounds like this is also your first time attempting this
type of a setup.
Of course, that last sentence is not meant to be condescending in any way,
I'm happy to help if I can.
In answer to your question, will jaws speak in a remote session just by
installing it on the server, if you do it as a typical install and don't
really know what you are doing, no it will not by default.
Best, Ed

On 9/10/20, Bryan Schulz via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm not sure what you said but will the virtual desktop start speaking 
> on my end just by installing jaws on the company server?
> I think the main hang up right now is waiting for the jaws 
> installation to happen.
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] vm ware desktop
>
> Hi Steve, Bryan, and anyone else following this thread.
> If memory serves correctly, I think the documentation from Freedom 
> Scientific/VFO states that it is preferred that the version of jaws 
> installed on the client computer and the server computer match one
another.
> That isn't to say that it won't work if the client version is newer 
> than the server version, as I understand it, essentially what this 
> working properly is dependent upon is fs video drivers being installed 
> on the server.
> In my own case, I set it up myself because my primary function at work 
> is desktop support so I have admin access to all the desktops and 
> laptops, and I can get access to servers on an "as needed basis" so I 
> kept both versions at the same level.
> For Bryan, another thought, has anyone tried nvda inside the vm in 
> question or any other.
> My experience with rdp which probably should be similar for the vm is 
> that nvda will run fine without any tweaking either as a local 
> install, or simply copy the portable version to a accessible network 
> share and run it from the command line or set it up to run from the 
> properties of the individual user's ms active directory login after an 
> user, we'll call him joe, logs into his vm.
> To get help logging in you could use narrator and enable the option to 
> bring sound to this computer in the client for an rdp session, not 
> 100% sure if you can do something similar when connecting to your vm.
>  Bryan, do you specificly have to have jaws, or do you just need a 
> screen reader and accessibility?
> I've used nvda and narrator for rdp sessions a great deal in the last 
> 6 months and I'd have to say that its convenience always wins out for 
> the most part vs all the extra work in getting jaws to work.
> I also find myself using nvda more and more on a daily basis in my 
> work given the number of laptops and desktops I touch on a daily basis.
> Just some alternative thoughts for discussion.
> I need more coffee!
> Regards to all.
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Shelton <stevesheltonokc at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:43 PM
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> Cc: 'Ed Barnes' <edbarnes7 at gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [NFBCS] vm ware desktop
>
> Actually, I don't believe the server and local JAWS versions have to 
> be the same. When I initially started using this with RDP, the 
> versions were the same. However, the server administrator was 
> reluctant to do JAWS upgrades but I continued to upgrade my local 
> system. At the end, I was running  with significantly different versions.
>
> You will have to have the server version upgraded if you need new jaws 
> features on your virtual desktop.
>
> Btw, if you don't have jaws at all on the virtual desktop, the screen 
> is just an image so you can not access it locally with jaws. You 
> should be able to read it with the jaws OCR feature but you won't b 
> able to interact with the screen.
>
> Steve
>
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>
> Hi Bryan, the version of jaws installed on the server has to match the 
> version of jaws installed on the client computer from which you 
> connect to it.
> The version of jaws you have installed on your desktop or laptop, the 
> client, has to be professional/authorized for remote access.
> To be honest I am more familiar with setting this up for rdp vs 
> setting it up to connect to a vm as I set this up at work so I can rdp 
> to my desktop in my office via vpn during the covid-19 pandemic 
> however if I can help please feel free to reach out.
> Have fun - Ed
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> Hi,
>
> I'm just getting started and the IT guy hasn't installed jaws on the 
> company server.
> What version needs to be installed and where?
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
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>
> After you connect, You might try to run jaws on the virtual desktop by 
> entering Windows-R > jaws2020 > Enter. This will confirm you have jaws 
> configured correctly on the server.
>
> When I used Microsoft Remote Desktop, there was a virtual desktop 
> setting that  allowed you to automatically start an application on the 
> virtual desktop when you connected. If this is not available, you can 
> always put jaws in the Windows start folder on you virtual desktop. 
> This should only apply to your desktop and would not affect other users on
the server. .
>
> Steve
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>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Anyone know if jaws is installed on the remote pc, will that make jaws 
> talk on my end?
>
> I am logging into  vm ware and jaws does not speak the virtual desktop.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
>
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