[NFBCS] JAWS, PuTTY and caret tracking

Mon Sep 14 18:12:03 UTC 2020

Hey Everyone,

I'm transitioning from using terminals on Linux with large fonts to terminals on windows using jaws.

I'm struggling to get really good response from jaws when using this terminal.  Getting it to read me an entire line when I up or down arrow, read character by character when I move left to right, wor4d by word when I jump by word, getting context from jaws after to a search, or moving from one emacs window to another, etc.

Am I expecting too much from JAWS?  Is there a good place for me to start learning how JAWS should work for me within a terminal?

I realize I'm asking for a lot here, and am open to hearing that. Just wanting to hear back from others who are using JAWS in a terminal.

Thanks all for reading and any responses,

Jim

P.S. Glen, I'm assuming you mean they should work out of the box in the default terminal built in windows 10. I've also been trying to use the Cascadia Windows Terminal, which is an opensource terminal written at Microsoft.  It has features that I hope to find useful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Terminal

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 03:43:47PM +0000, Glen Gordon wrote:
> Both Powershell and WSL should work fine with JAWS out of the box.
> 
> --Glen
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> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] JAWS, PuTTY and caret tracking
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> Thanks Glenn and Aaron, this makes sense. On a somewhat related note, can one of you tell me if there are local terminals and windows that Jaws supports carot tracking with? e.g if I want to run power shell or bash in WSL?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jim
> 
> Written while on the move,,
> 
> > On Sep 14, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Glen Gordon <GGordon at vispero.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Jim,
> >
> > Caret tracking simply means  knowing exactly where text will be inserted and deleted from. This doesn't matter as much if you're entering commands at a command prompt where new text is simply appended at the bottom, but when using an editor like Emacs, VI, etc. the caret could be positioned anywhere on the display and not knowing where it is would make it nearly impossible to edit.
> >
> > --Glen
> >
> >
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> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:22 AM
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> > Cc: Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NFBCS] JAWS, PuTTY and caret tracking
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I am very new to using terminals in windows with jaws.
> >
> > Can someone explain a little bit about how carot tracking helps?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Written while on the move,,
> >
> >> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:49 AM, Aaron Cannon via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >> This fix is very much appreciated.
> >>
> >> I'll be sure to speak up if it doesn't work.
> >>
> >> Thanks again.
> >>
> >> Aaron Cannon
> >>
> >>>> On 9/14/20, Glen Gordon via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Hi, Everyone,
> >>>
> >>> A month or so back there was a long discussion about remote editing on Linux
> >>> systems. As part of that, several people mentioned that when using PuTTY
> >>> with JAWS that the caret wasn't properly being tracked. This befuddled me,
> >>> knowing that we had worked really hard to rectify this back in 2019, but
> >>> apparently not hard enough. At that time we fixed it for computers running
> >>> at 96 DPI but had not tested with higher DPI settings back then. As it turns
> >>> out, JAWS was not tracking the caret on any systems running at 128 DPI or
> >>> greater, which essentially made it unusable with laptops.
> >>>
> >>> I'm pleased to say that this has been resolved in public beta 1 of JAWS 2021
> >>> which is available now. Anybody with a JAWS 2020 license can run the public
> >>> beta without uninstalling JAWS 2020. This change will also be in the next
> >>> JAWS 2020 update but that won't come  until later in the year.
> >>>
> >>> If you try this, please let me know your results, especially if caret
> >>> tracking still doesn't work for you.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> --Glen
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