[NFBCS] [Possible SPAM] Re: JAWS, PuTTY and caret tracking

Thu Sep 17 12:14:02 UTC 2020

Yes, blinking line works best with JAWS and PuTTY but other shapes should work too.

--Glen

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Hello, can you change the cursor to play shape to line? This worked for me in the past. Very best, John

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> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:13 PM, Nathaniel Schmidt via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Aaron,
>
> That explains a lot.  Oh well.
>
> I have tried the Win SSH client but it always locks me out unless I use PuTTY or Tera Term, the latter of which does not appear to be terribly accessible.
>
> Thanks for the response.
>
> Regards,
>
> Nathaniel
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon via
>> NFBCS
>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 10:03 PM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] JAWS, PuTTY and caret tracking
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> The ^C and ^D you are getting are not due to Jaws. I can pretty much
>> garantee you that it is due to the prompt not supporting arrowing, and you
>> would undoubtedly see this same issue with another screen reader, or with
>> no screen reader at all. In short, you can't arrow through the line at the SQL
>> prompt likely because no one can.
>>
>> As for the rest, have you tried the standard Windows SSH client? I can just
>> open a PowerShell prompt or command prompt, and type "ssh
>> user at host.com" to use it, but you may have to tell Windows to install it first.
>> If Jaws is still unable to determine which item is highlighted in the menu,
>> then at least you'll know that it's not specific to PuTTY. I suspect that such
>> tracking is a much harder problem than simple cursour tracking.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
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>>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 23:42, Nathaniel Schmidt via NFBCS
>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Glen,
>>>
>>> I am still having issues with caret tracking in PuTTY using JAWS public beta
>>> v2021.2009.13.  This is very directly relevant to my university studies and
>>> would make life a lot easier if this could be resolved, so would love to
>>> work with you to do diagnostics and fix it if possible.  I don't know what
>>> my laptop screen's DPI is but it is a HP Probook running Windows 10 v2004
>>> (64-bit).  I have turned off the automatic screen resolution adjustment and
>>> set scaling to 100%.
>>>
>>> For one of my subjects, I have to use an Oracle SQLPlus SSID database to
>>> create tables and cases and describe entity relationships.  Inquiries are
>>> being made but I currently cannot supply which distro or version of Linux is
>>> being used on the other end.  When I use Putty to log in to the Linux
>>> terminal over SSH using the Deakin University interactive server, I get the
>>> following results using JAWS 2021:
>>>
>>> * Formerly, when using JAWS2020, I used to be able to arrow through the
>>> initial text-based menu that the system presents and determine where the
>>> cursor was located by reading by current line.  But I can no longer do this
>>> when using J2021.  Instead it always speaks the text "Welcome to PDMenu
>>> 1.3.2 by Joey Hess <joey at kitnet.net>".  I don't know how the menu is
>>> constructed but it presumably does not use ncurses, otherwise I'm pretty
>>> sure it would be completely inaccessible.  Some times using the up and
>> down
>>> arrow keys repeats the message "Arrow keys move, escape exits current
>> menu,
>>> enter runs program".
>>> * When I type sqlplus into the prompt, it presents me with the SQLPlus CLI;
>>> however, I cannot track the caret.  I can read by current line which
>>> displays the SQL prompt and what I have currently typed but using the left
>>> and right arrow keys simply produces unwanted characters i.e. ^[[D and
>> ^[[C
>>> for left and right arrows respectively.
>>> * Typing echo works and current text input is also announced when I
>> delete
>>> characters with backspace.
>>>
>>> Regarding line discipline options, I have tried, to no avail, both enabling
>>> and disabling both local character echo and local line edit.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps and please tell me to elaborate on any further info you may
>>> need.  Using PuTTY suite Version Release 0.73.
>>>
>>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Nathaniel
>>>
>>> ========================================
>>> Nathaniel Schmidt
>>> Undergraduate student
>>> Bachelor of Computer Science (S306)
>>> School of Information Technology
>>> Faculty of Science, Engineering and Built Environment
>>> Deakin University, Cloud campus
>>> https://sync.deakin.edu.au/profiles/student/njschmidt/
>>>
>>> Std. ID: 220493627
>>> E: njschmidt at deakin.edu.au
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Glen Gordon via
>>>> NFBCS
>>>> Sent: Monday, 14 September 2020 11:33 PM
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>>>> Cc: Glen Gordon <GGordon at Vispero.com>
>>>> Subject: [NFBCS] JAWS, PuTTY and caret tracking
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> A month or so back there was a long discussion about remote editing on
>>>> Linux systems. As part of that, several people mentioned that when using
>>>> PuTTY with JAWS that the caret wasn't properly being tracked. This
>>>> befuddled me, knowing that we had worked really hard to rectify this
>> back
>>> in
>>>> 2019, but apparently not hard enough. At that time we fixed it for
>>> computers
>>>> running at 96 DPI but had not tested with higher DPI settings back then.
>>> As it
>>>> turns out, JAWS was not tracking the caret on any systems running at 128
>>> DPI
>>>> or greater, which essentially made it unusable with laptops.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pleased to say that this has been resolved in public beta 1 of JAWS
>>> 2021
>>>> which is available now. Anybody with a JAWS 2020 license can run the
>>> public
>>>> beta without uninstalling JAWS 2020. This change will also be in the next
>>>> JAWS 2020 update but that won't come  until later in the year.
>>>>
>>>> If you try this, please let me know your results, especially if caret
>>> tracking still
>>>> doesn't work for you.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> --Glen
>>>>
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