From angalletta at ieee.org Mon Mar 1 09:27:41 2021 From: angalletta at ieee.org (angalletta at ieee.org) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 01:27:41 -0800 Subject: [NFBCS] ISCC 2021 - the 26th IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications Message-ID: Dear users of Nfbcs mailing list, ============================= CALL FOR PAPERS =============================== The 26th IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications (IEEE ISCC 2021) Submission Due Date: May 15, 2021 Conference Dates: September 5-8, 2021 Conference Venue: Athens, Greece Submission Website: https://iscc2021.edas.info/N28231 Conference Website: https://iscc2021.unipi.gr ============================================================================= Welcome to the 26th IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications (ISCC). The first IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications (ISCC) was held in 1995 in response to the growing interaction between the fields of computers and communications. ISCC takes place annually, usually in the Mediterranean region, in locations such as Egypt, Greece, France, Tunisia, Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Italy, and Brazil. In 2021, the Symposium is going to be held in Athens, Greece. ISCC sessions will include presentations on new research results and tutorials. Papers describing original work are invited in any of the computer and communications areas that the Call for Papers considers. Accepted papers will be included in the ISCC 2021 Conference Proceedings, which will be subject to independent peer-review procedures for quality, and may be eligible for inclusion in the IEEE Xplore? Digital Library. Merit, relevance, and originality will guide paper acceptance. Best Paper Award and Best Student Paper Awards will be presented. ISCC 2021, in its 26th edition, will provide an insight into the unique world stemming from the interaction between the fields of computers and communications. ISCC 2021 will provide an international technical forum for experts from industry and academia to exchange ideas and present results of on-going research in most state-of-the-art areas of computers and communications. You are invited to submit a full paper, a proposal for a Panel/Invited Session or a Tutorial, related to the following topics of interest: * 5th Generation Networks (5G) * Resource Allocation * Network Slicing * Topology Management * 5G Core Network and Service Based Architecture * C-RAN and backhaul * SDN and NFV for 5G * Network Stability, Control and Optimization * Standardization Activities by IEEE, 3GPP and ETSI * Artificial Intelligence (AI) * Artificial Intelligent Systems applications in Computers and Communications * Game Theory * Machine Learning * Bio-inspired Computing in Communications * Data Science and Data Engineering * Distributed Knowledge and Processing * Trusted AI * Cloud and Edge Computing * Cloud Computing (IaaS, PaaS, and SaaS) * Mobile Cloud and Mobile Cloud Networking * Fog Computing * Distributed Systems Architecture and Management * Internet of Things (IoT) * LPWAN (LoRa, Sigfox, NB-IoT, LTE-M, Wi-SUN) * 6TiSCH, 6LoWPAN, Roll * Rest API, CoAP, CBOR, OSCORE * Smart Spaces * Cyber Physical Systems * Telecare Medical Information System * Optical Networks * Optical Network Protocols and Architectures * Energy-efficient/green Optical Communications and Networks * Visible Light Communications (Indoor, Outdoor and Localization) * Optical Wireless Communication Applications for Future Networks * Vehicular Networks * Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS) * IEEE 802.11p ITS-G5 * Millimeter Waves * V2X, V2I, V2N, V2V, V2P, V2D, V2G * Inter and intra vehicle communication and protocols * Wireless Networks * Cognitive Radio Networking * Wireless, Cellular, and Mobile Communications * Modeling and Simulation * Signal Processing for Communications * Services and Protocols * Advances in Internet Protocols * Green Networking * Real Time Communication Services * Routing and Multicast * Network Design, Optimization and Management * Network Reliability, Quality of Service and Quality of Experience * Fault-Tolerance and Error Recovery * Web Services and Service Oriented Architectures * Standards Evolution * Digital Satellite Communications Service * Localization Protocols * Communications Services and Management * Crowdsourcing applications * Peer-to-Peer Computing * Software Defined * Software Defined Networks and Network Function Virtualization * Software Defined Smart Objects * Software Defined Data Centers * Software Defined Radio * Overlay and Programmable Networks * Security and Privacy * Data Privacy * Attacks and Defenses * Authentication, Authorization and Accounting * Hardware Security * Intrusion Detection * Moving Target Defense (MTD) * Blockchain * Application domain / Framework / Architecture * e-Health and Bioinformatics * Smart Grid * Smart City * Industry 4.0 * Smart Building =========================== Submission Guidelines =========================== Papers must be submitted electronically as a PDF file through the conference management system, at: https://iscc2021.edas.info/N28231 Please note: (1) All papers will be reviewed by the Program Committee on the basis of technical quality, relevance, originality, significance, and clarity. All paper submissions will be handled electronically. Papers that do not comply with the Submission Guidelines will be rejected without review. (2) All papers should be submitted electronically in PDF and be no longer than 7 pages in the IEEE double column proceedings format including tables, figures and references. Papers exceeding 7 pages will not be accepted. Download manuscript templates for IEEE conference proceedings: https://www.ieee.org/conferences/publishing/templates.html (3) Best Paper Award and Best Student Paper Awards will be presented. (4) Accepted papers up to 6 pages will be published with no additional charge. Exceeding page(s) will be charged an additional fee. (5) At least one author of each accepted paper is required to register to the conference and present the paper. Only registered and presented papers will be published in the conference proceedings. Accepted papers will be included in the ISCC 2021 Proceedings and will be submitted for inclusion to IEEE Xplore. The ISCC Proceedings have been indexed in the past by ISI, dblp and Scopus. This makes the ISCC conference one of the publication venues with very high visibility and impact in both Computer and Communications areas. =========================== Important Dates =========================== * Paper submission deadline: May 15, 2021 * Notification of paper acceptance: July 15, 2021 * Submission of camera-ready papers: TBA * Conference Dates: September 5-8, 2021 =========================== Organizing Committee =========================== * General Co-Chairs: * Christos Douligeris, University of Piraeus, Greece * Luca Foschini, University of Bologna, Italy * TPC Co-Chairs: * Gang Li, Deakin University, Australia * Eirini Eleni Tsiropoulou, University of New Mexico, USA * Theofanis Raptis, National Research Council (CNR), Italy * Workshops and Tutorial Co-Chairs: * Nathalie Mitton, Inria Lille-Nord Europe, France * Michael Kounavis, Intel, USA * Fabrice Theoleyre, CNRS, Paris, France * Keynote Co-Chairs: * Konstandinos Samdanis, Nokia Bell Labs, Germany * Massimo Villari, University of Messina, Italy * Periklis Chatzimisios, International Hellenic University, Greece * Poster and Demo Chair: * Dinitris Zorbas, Nazarbayev University, Kazakstan * Publicity Co-Chairs: * Min Yu, Institute of Information Engineering, Chinese Academy of Sciences, China * Luis Henrique Maciel Kosmalski Costa, EFRJ, Brasil * Rodrigue Domga Komguem, University of Yaound? in Cameroon, Capital of Cameroon * Ye Zhu, Deakin University, Australia * Antonino Galletta, University of Messina, Italy * Publication Co-Chairs: * Dimitrios Kallergis, University of West Attica, Greece * Adel Elmaghraby, University of Louisville, USA * Finance and Registration Co-Chairs: * Theodoros Karvounidis, University of Piraeus, Greece * Reda Ammar, University of Connecticut, USA * Local Co-Chairs: * Rosa Mavropodi, University of Piraeus, Greece * Zacharenia Garofalaki, University of Piraeus and University of West Attica, Greece * Webmaster: * Rosa Mavropodi, University of Piraeus, Greece =========================== Steering Committee =========================== * Reda Ammar, University of Connecticut, USA * Antonio Corradi, University of Bologna, Italy * Mario Dantas, Universidade Federal de Juiz de Fora, Brazil * Christos Douligeris, University of Piraeus, Greece * Adel S. Elmaghraby, University of Louisville, USA * Hussein Mouftah, University of Ottawa, USA * Sartaj Sahni, University of Florida, USA * Susana Sargento, Instituto de Telecomunicacoes, University of Aveiro, Portugal * Massimo Villari, University of Messina, Italy From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Mon Mar 1 16:03:43 2021 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 16:03:43 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] STEM Meeting Recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks, The recording of the Science and Engineering / NABS STEM meeting held on February 28, 2021, can be found at "https://zoom.us/rec/share/qIkiqRKP3lkdS26Qy78fGlmlboUgWMko9jEWNtmfhZgPMJM_Oj0X3lFbHd3OX_MD.tbuZ03iWOLV53iSx". There should be minutes in about a week. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com From buhrow at nfbcal.org Wed Mar 3 19:53:36 2021 From: buhrow at nfbcal.org (Brian Buhrow) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 11:53:36 -0800 Subject: [NFBCS] Fwd: Computer Operations Specialist job announcement Message-ID: <202103031953.123JraSh011010@nfbcal.org> From: Joni Martinez Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:34:27 -0600 Subject: Computer Opporations Specialist Job Announcement Good afternoon Job Seekers, A new Computer Operations Specialist position with the Criss Cole Rehabilitation Center in Austin, TX is now available. This is a 10-day posting and will close on March 14, 2021. Please apply if you are interested and feel free to share with any qualified applicants. An application and more information about the job can be found at www.workintexas.com by using Work In Texas posting number 14401072. We hope to see your applications soon!! Thanks Joni Martinez Go forth and have no fear. From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sat Mar 6 07:19:26 2021 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole Torcolini) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 23:19:26 -0800 Subject: [NFBCS] Posting Articles about Inaccessibility of Websites Message-ID: <000601d71259$0b07f860$2117e920$@wavecable.com> Does anyone have suggestions on a good place to post articles about inaccessibility of websites? Nicole From reeceobryan at icloud.com Sat Mar 6 09:02:11 2021 From: reeceobryan at icloud.com (Reece O'Bryan) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 04:02:11 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Posting Articles about Inaccessibility of Websites In-Reply-To: <000601d71259$0b07f860$2117e920$@wavecable.com> References: <000601d71259$0b07f860$2117e920$@wavecable.com> Message-ID: As in complaints or feedback or tips for improvement? Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan C: (502)-827-3724 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. > On Mar 6, 2021, at 2:21 AM, Nicole Torcolini via NFBCS wrote: > > ? Does anyone have suggestions on a good place to post articles > about inaccessibility of websites? > > > > Nicole > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/reeceobryan%40icloud.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sat Mar 6 09:19:09 2021 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole Torcolini) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 01:19:09 -0800 Subject: [NFBCS] Posting Articles about Inaccessibility of Websites In-Reply-To: References: <000601d71259$0b07f860$2117e920$@wavecable.com> Message-ID: <000301d71269$c46b6e80$4d424b80$@wavecable.com> Complaints. From: Reece O'Bryan [mailto:reeceobryan at icloud.com] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 1:02 AM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Nicole Torcolini Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Posting Articles about Inaccessibility of Websites As in complaints or feedback or tips for improvement? Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan C: (502)-827-3724 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. On Mar 6, 2021, at 2:21 AM, Nicole Torcolini via NFBCS wrote: ? Does anyone have suggestions on a good place to post articles about inaccessibility of websites? Nicole _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/reeceobryan%40icloud.com From reeceobryan at icloud.com Sat Mar 6 14:54:47 2021 From: reeceobryan at icloud.com (Reece O'Bryan) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 09:54:47 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Posting Articles about Inaccessibility of Websites In-Reply-To: <000301d71269$c46b6e80$4d424b80$@wavecable.com> References: <000301d71269$c46b6e80$4d424b80$@wavecable.com> Message-ID: I would suggest posting where they have the highest chances of being seen. Google, Yelp, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Amazon, their website itself, etc. Basically search The company name followed by, ?review? on Google and Bing and go post it where you see the results. Give a very detailed description of exactly where the problem is so that they can fix it. If buttons are not labeled, then say that. If images do not have alternative text and your screen reader is just saying image or something else, then site alternative text needed with images. I am currently working on a group to help address this issue if you would like to join, https://www.facebook.com/groups/264386605073553/ Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan C: (502)-827-3724 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. > On Mar 6, 2021, at 4:19 AM, Nicole Torcolini wrote: > > ? > Complaints. > > From: Reece O'Bryan [mailto:reeceobryan at icloud.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 1:02 AM > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List > Cc: Nicole Torcolini > Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Posting Articles about Inaccessibility of Websites > > As in complaints or feedback or tips for improvement? > > Thank you, > > > -Reece O?Bryan > C: (502)-827-3724 > 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 > thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. > This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. > > > > On Mar 6, 2021, at 2:21 AM, Nicole Torcolini via NFBCS wrote: > > ? Does anyone have suggestions on a good place to post articles > about inaccessibility of websites? > > > > Nicole > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/reeceobryan%40icloud.com From reeceobryan at icloud.com Mon Mar 8 02:09:12 2021 From: reeceobryan at icloud.com (Reece O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 21:09:12 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] App Recommendations Message-ID: <49FEBB1E-C8EE-4412-B4BD-24438C3ACCE8@icloud.com> Hi, Does anyone have any recommendations for any of the following websites / services that are accessible on iOS? I also have android, recommendations for that are welcome as well, but primarily use iOS. Cryptocurrency Wallet IRC client Reddit Matrix Client App to access Facebook, messenger and Twitter that or not the official ones by the social networks themselves Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan C: (502)-827-3724 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. From cannona at fireantproductions.com Mon Mar 8 02:55:42 2021 From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 20:55:42 -0600 Subject: [NFBCS] App Recommendations In-Reply-To: <49FEBB1E-C8EE-4412-B4BD-24438C3ACCE8@icloud.com> References: <49FEBB1E-C8EE-4412-B4BD-24438C3ACCE8@icloud.com> Message-ID: <7D0CFD33-475C-4DA3-B1B3-04FE77E73431@fireantproductions.com> For crypto currency, checkout Brd Wallet. For IRC checkout IRCCloud. For Reddit, check out Apollo. Luck with the rest. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Mar 7, 2021, at 20:10, Reece O'Bryan via NFBCS wrote: > > ?Hi, > > Does anyone have any recommendations for any of the following websites / services that are accessible on iOS? I also have android, recommendations for that are welcome as well, but primarily use iOS. > > Cryptocurrency Wallet > IRC client > Reddit > Matrix Client > App to access Facebook, messenger and Twitter that or not the official ones by the social networks themselves > > Thank you, > > -Reece O?Bryan > C: (502)-827-3724 > 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 > thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. > This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com From fawaz.ar94 at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 16:23:27 2021 From: fawaz.ar94 at gmail.com (Fawaz Abdul rahman) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 19:23:27 +0300 Subject: [NFBCS] App Recommendations In-Reply-To: <49FEBB1E-C8EE-4412-B4BD-24438C3ACCE8@icloud.com> References: <49FEBB1E-C8EE-4412-B4BD-24438C3ACCE8@icloud.com> Message-ID: <35CBC7C7-CACC-4B9E-BF17-238809A75BFA@hxcore.ol> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From charles.vanek at gmail.com Tue Mar 9 02:57:52 2021 From: charles.vanek at gmail.com (charles.vanek at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 20:57:52 -0600 Subject: [NFBCS] Training for Developers, QA & Designers in WCAG practices Message-ID: <009201d71490$00533c20$00f9b460$@gmail.com> Good day all. I'm wondering if anyone has good suggestions for courses online or companies providing train the trainer style WCAG coding, testing and designing? Ideally I'd like a program that has out of the box videos and materials to start the team with and live sessions as well with some mentorship. Probably would have a few Developers, a designer or two and two QA. I hope to create a few SMEs in the company that can then be the go to people which will share knowledge amongst the rest of the staff. Thanks! From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Tue Mar 9 03:52:52 2021 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole Torcolini) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 19:52:52 -0800 Subject: [NFBCS] How in the World Do You Rearrange Sheets in Excel Using the Keyboard Message-ID: <005001d71497$aea783b0$0bf68b10$@wavecable.com> Every article that I can find on the internet either only tells how to move between sheets with the keyboard-not rearrange them-or tells you to drag using the mouse. How do you rearrange sheets using the keyboard? Office 2010. Nicole From chaltain at outlook.com Tue Mar 9 04:00:55 2021 From: chaltain at outlook.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 04:00:55 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] How in the World Do You Rearrange Sheets in Excel Using the Keyboard In-Reply-To: <005001d71497$aea783b0$0bf68b10$@wavecable.com> References: <005001d71497$aea783b0$0bf68b10$@wavecable.com> Message-ID: You can do this from the Format submenu in the Home group of the ribbon. You can get here by hitting alt followed by h followed by o. You'll see Rename Sheet as one option and another is Move and copy. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini via NFBCS Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 9:53 PM To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org Cc: Nicole Torcolini Subject: [NFBCS] How in the World Do You Rearrange Sheets in Excel Using the Keyboard Every article that I can find on the internet either only tells how to move between sheets with the keyboard-not rearrange them-or tells you to drag using the mouse. How do you rearrange sheets using the keyboard? Office 2010. Nicole _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chaltain%40outlook.com From bundy at pobox.com Tue Mar 9 04:06:26 2021 From: bundy at pobox.com (David W Bundy) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 23:06:26 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] How in the World Do You Rearrange Sheets in Excel Using the Keyboard In-Reply-To: <005001d71497$aea783b0$0bf68b10$@wavecable.com> References: <005001d71497$aea783b0$0bf68b10$@wavecable.com> Message-ID: <0b9d01d71499$9401d9a0$bc058ce0$@pobox.com> In Office 2016, You go to options on the Home Ribbon and there is an option for Move or Rename sheet. I remember that it was equally as easy in 2010, but it has been so many years since I used it, that I don't remember how. Hopefully this will give you something to work with. David W Bundy, MSW, CPM Assistive Technology Consultant West Columbia, SC (803) 447-7629 bundy at pobox.com -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini via NFBCS Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 10:53 PM To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org Cc: Nicole Torcolini Subject: [NFBCS] How in the World Do You Rearrange Sheets in Excel Using the Keyboard Every article that I can find on the internet either only tells how to move between sheets with the keyboard-not rearrange them-or tells you to drag using the mouse. How do you rearrange sheets using the keyboard? Office 2010. Nicole _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/bundy%40pobox.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Tue Mar 9 07:14:40 2021 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole Torcolini) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 23:14:40 -0800 Subject: [NFBCS] How in the World Do You Rearrange Sheets in Excel Using the Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <005001d71497$aea783b0$0bf68b10$@wavecable.com> Message-ID: <002d01d714b3$dfe187c0$9fa49740$@wavecable.com> Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain [mailto:chaltain at outlook.com] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2021 8:01 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Nicole Torcolini Subject: RE: [NFBCS] How in the World Do You Rearrange Sheets in Excel Using the Keyboard You can do this from the Format submenu in the Home group of the ribbon. You can get here by hitting alt followed by h followed by o. You'll see Rename Sheet as one option and another is Move and copy. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini via NFBCS Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 9:53 PM To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org Cc: Nicole Torcolini Subject: [NFBCS] How in the World Do You Rearrange Sheets in Excel Using the Keyboard Every article that I can find on the internet either only tells how to move between sheets with the keyboard-not rearrange them-or tells you to drag using the mouse. How do you rearrange sheets using the keyboard? Office 2010. Nicole _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chaltain%40outlook.com From carcione at access.net Tue Mar 9 13:58:09 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 08:58:09 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode Message-ID: <005701d714ec$3d553270$b7ff9750$@access.net> I have read about the NVDA review mode in the manual a few times, and I still don't get it. Is there a keystroke in NVDA similar to "route Jaws to PC", after which I can cursor around and explore the screen, then use another keystroke to return to what Jaws calls the PC cursor? Or can someone recommend somewhere to read about the NVDA review mode that explains it better than the manual? Tracy From chaltain at outlook.com Tue Mar 9 23:06:53 2021 From: chaltain at outlook.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 23:06:53 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode In-Reply-To: <005701d714ec$3d553270$b7ff9750$@access.net> References: <005701d714ec$3d553270$b7ff9750$@access.net> Message-ID: I'd like to know more about this as well. From what I can tell, you can use the NVDA-key+Page-up and Page-down to change review modes and then NVDA-key+Up-arrow and Down-arrow to move around in that review mode. Screen review mode seems to be the closets to JAWS cursor mode. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:58 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I have read about the NVDA review mode in the manual a few times, and I still don't get it. Is there a keystroke in NVDA similar to "route Jaws to PC", after which I can cursor around and explore the screen, then use another keystroke to return to what Jaws calls the PC cursor? Or can someone recommend somewhere to read about the NVDA review mode that explains it better than the manual? Tracy _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chaltain%40outlook.com From schmidty2244 at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 09:16:01 2021 From: schmidty2244 at gmail.com (Nathaniel Schmidt) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 20:16:01 +1100 Subject: [NFBCS] Jupyter Notebook: Running code inside existing cells with code already in it Message-ID: <000701d7158d$ff281d30$fd785790$@gmail.com> Hi, Has anyone on here used Jupyter Notebook before? If so, do you know how to run code in a code cell without re-running the example code already given in an exercise? I am studying a foundational data science subject for my computer science degree and we have to do our assignments using the notebook. I find it easy to create cells and insert new ones and I can run code in them. But I am having trouble executing code In cells that have been created for our practical classes, because whenever I write new code into the existing cell and press CTRL+Enter, it attempts to run the example code as well as my own and I get syntax errors because the lines of code run into each other. Unfortunately, something slightly compounding my issues is that my class I did today was with a lot of business / commerce students who knew nothing about coding in general, let alone Python, so they had their own troubles separate to mine and worked through the exercises comparatively slower than I did, so they were not entirely helpful to me of no fault of their own. As a compromise, I have resorted to using the default python.org interpreter I have on my Win10 v2004 64-bit HP probook, and I think I will be fine when creating new notebooks for my assignments. But it annoys me having to create new notebooks to do exercises rather than utilising what the academic in question has already given us. Thanks in advance and kind regards, Nathaniel ======================================== Nathaniel Schmidt Undergraduate student Bachelor of Computer Science (S306) School of Information Technology Faculty of Science, Engineering and Built Environment Deakin University, Melbourne (Burwood) campus https://sync.deakin.edu.au/profiles/student/njschmidt/ E: njschmidt at deakin.edu.au LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/njsch/ GitHub: https://github.com/njsch/ Skype: nathaniel_schmidt1994 about.me/njschmidt/ From lewislwood at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 17:17:18 2021 From: lewislwood at gmail.com (Lewis) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 11:17:18 -0600 Subject: [NFBCS] ACCESSIBLE VIDEO EDITOR Message-ID: <00cc01d715d1$39fbcb30$adf36190$@gmail.com> Does ANYONE KNOW OF A SIMPLE VIDEO EDITOR THAT IS ACCESSIBLE? All I WANT TO DO IS TRIM 20 TO 20 SECONDS FROM BEGINNING AND POSSIBLY 1 MINUTE FROM THE END. Would ALSO LIKE ABILITY TO MERGE 2 VIDEOS AS WELL. Years AGO I USED ms Movie MAKER, BUT I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE CURRENTLY. I ALSO USED Cyberlink ESSINTIALS. Thanks Lewis Wood From behreini.ida at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 17:20:05 2021 From: behreini.ida at gmail.com (Ida B) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:20:05 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] ACCESSIBLE VIDEO EDITOR In-Reply-To: <00cc01d715d1$39fbcb30$adf36190$@gmail.com> References: <00cc01d715d1$39fbcb30$adf36190$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, You can use iMovie either on your iPad, iPhone, or Mac to do this very easily. There are tutorials online. Best, Ida > On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Lewis via NFBCS wrote: > > ?Does ANYONE KNOW OF A SIMPLE VIDEO EDITOR THAT IS ACCESSIBLE? All I WANT TO > DO IS TRIM 20 TO 20 SECONDS FROM BEGINNING AND POSSIBLY 1 MINUTE FROM THE > END. > > > > Would ALSO LIKE ABILITY TO MERGE 2 VIDEOS AS WELL. > > > > Years AGO I USED ms Movie MAKER, BUT I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE CURRENTLY. > > > > I ALSO USED Cyberlink ESSINTIALS. > > > > Thanks > > Lewis Wood > > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/behreini.ida%40gmail.com From mickmcquaid at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 17:44:55 2021 From: mickmcquaid at gmail.com (Michael McQuaid) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:44:55 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] ACCESSIBLE VIDEO EDITOR In-Reply-To: References: <00cc01d715d1$39fbcb30$adf36190$@gmail.com> Message-ID: There are a couple of command line tools that will do this. First is mencoder: mencoder.exe -ss 2 -oac copy -ovc copy input.flv -o output.flv The most popular is ffmpeg: ffmpeg -i input.flv -ss 2 -vcodec copy -acodec copy output.flv Both of these examples trim off 2 seconds. Quicktime Player may also work as a menu-driven alternative. - Mick On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:21 PM Ida B via NFBCS wrote: > Hello, > > You can use iMovie either on your iPad, iPhone, or Mac to do this very > easily. There are tutorials online. > > Best, > Ida > > > On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Lewis via NFBCS wrote: > > > > ?Does ANYONE KNOW OF A SIMPLE VIDEO EDITOR THAT IS ACCESSIBLE? All I > WANT TO > > DO IS TRIM 20 TO 20 SECONDS FROM BEGINNING AND POSSIBLY 1 MINUTE FROM THE > > END. > > > > > > > > Would ALSO LIKE ABILITY TO MERGE 2 VIDEOS AS WELL. > > > > > > > > Years AGO I USED ms Movie MAKER, BUT I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE CURRENTLY. > > > > > > > > I ALSO USED Cyberlink ESSINTIALS. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Lewis Wood > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NFBCS mailing list > > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NFBCS: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/behreini.ida%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/mickmcquaid%40gmail.com > From lewislwood at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 01:14:34 2021 From: lewislwood at gmail.com (Lewis) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:14:34 -0600 Subject: [NFBCS] ACCESSIBLE VIDEO EDITOR In-Reply-To: References: <00cc01d715d1$39fbcb30$adf36190$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01d71613$e71e20a0$b55a61e0$@gmail.com> Thanks Mick, I will give those command line tools a go. As far as the other suggestion, I am an Android user and not an iPhone. I also use Windows and I would prefer Windows tools, but Android would be handy as well if someone knew one. Thanks everyone Lewis -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Michael McQuaid via NFBCS Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:45 AM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Michael McQuaid Subject: Re: [NFBCS] ACCESSIBLE VIDEO EDITOR There are a couple of command line tools that will do this. First is mencoder: mencoder.exe -ss 2 -oac copy -ovc copy input.flv -o output.flv The most popular is ffmpeg: ffmpeg -i input.flv -ss 2 -vcodec copy -acodec copy output.flv Both of these examples trim off 2 seconds. Quicktime Player may also work as a menu-driven alternative. - Mick On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:21 PM Ida B via NFBCS wrote: > Hello, > > You can use iMovie either on your iPad, iPhone, or Mac to do this very > easily. There are tutorials online. > > Best, > Ida > > > On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Lewis via NFBCS wrote: > > > > ?Does ANYONE KNOW OF A SIMPLE VIDEO EDITOR THAT IS ACCESSIBLE? All > > I > WANT TO > > DO IS TRIM 20 TO 20 SECONDS FROM BEGINNING AND POSSIBLY 1 MINUTE > > FROM THE END. > > > > > > > > Would ALSO LIKE ABILITY TO MERGE 2 VIDEOS AS WELL. > > > > > > > > Years AGO I USED ms Movie MAKER, BUT I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE CURRENTLY. > > > > > > > > I ALSO USED Cyberlink ESSINTIALS. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Lewis Wood > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NFBCS mailing list > > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > NFBCS: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/behreini.ida%40gmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/mickmcquaid%40gmail > .com > _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/lewislwood%40gmail.com From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 02:53:36 2021 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 21:53:36 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] ACCESSIBLE VIDEO EDITOR In-Reply-To: <000a01d71613$e71e20a0$b55a61e0$@gmail.com> References: <00cc01d715d1$39fbcb30$adf36190$@gmail.com> <000a01d71613$e71e20a0$b55a61e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, check out my reaper tutorial for video editing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-cSU_9wWxw&t=36s On 3/10/21, Lewis via NFBCS wrote: > Thanks Mick, I will give those command line tools a go. > As far as the other suggestion, I am an Android user and not an iPhone. I > also use Windows and I would prefer Windows tools, but Android would be > handy as well if someone knew one. > > Thanks everyone > Lewis > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Michael McQuaid via > NFBCS > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:45 AM > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List > Cc: Michael McQuaid > Subject: Re: [NFBCS] ACCESSIBLE VIDEO EDITOR > > There are a couple of command line tools that will do this. First is > mencoder: > > mencoder.exe -ss 2 -oac copy -ovc copy input.flv -o output.flv > > The most popular is ffmpeg: > > ffmpeg -i input.flv -ss 2 -vcodec copy -acodec copy output.flv > > Both of these examples trim off 2 seconds. > > Quicktime Player may also work as a menu-driven alternative. > > - Mick > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:21 PM Ida B via NFBCS wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> You can use iMovie either on your iPad, iPhone, or Mac to do this very >> easily. There are tutorials online. >> >> Best, >> Ida >> >> > On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Lewis via NFBCS wrote: >> > >> > ?Does ANYONE KNOW OF A SIMPLE VIDEO EDITOR THAT IS ACCESSIBLE? All >> > I >> WANT TO >> > DO IS TRIM 20 TO 20 SECONDS FROM BEGINNING AND POSSIBLY 1 MINUTE >> > FROM THE END. >> > >> > >> > >> > Would ALSO LIKE ABILITY TO MERGE 2 VIDEOS AS WELL. >> > >> > >> > >> > Years AGO I USED ms Movie MAKER, BUT I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE CURRENTLY. >> > >> > >> > >> > I ALSO USED Cyberlink ESSINTIALS. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Lewis Wood >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NFBCS mailing list >> > NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> NFBCS: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/behreini.ida%40gmai >> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/mickmcquaid%40gmail >> .com >> > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/lewislwood%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com > -- Taylor From rayndarren at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 07:02:02 2021 From: rayndarren at gmail.com (Rayn Darren) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 23:02:02 -0800 Subject: [NFBCS] Training for Developers, QA & Designers in WCAG practices In-Reply-To: <009201d71490$00533c20$00f9b460$@gmail.com> References: <009201d71490$00533c20$00f9b460$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <119f01d71644$70bdc0b0$52394210$@gmail.com> Hi Charles, I actually got all my training online through Deque University. They offer free courses for those with disabilities and teach WCAG3 standardly. Everything is text based though. They have no video materials at all to my knowledge. They do however offer training to agencies/companies interested in learning compliance. They also offer prep for the CPCC and WAS certificates. I wouldn't call myself a SME, however I do know quite a lot and have the knowledge of HTML and CSS as well as Aria to not only design materials and websites but provide training on how to make accessibility a standard rather than an afterthought. Hope this helps, Sarah -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of charles.vanek--- via NFBCS Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 6:58 PM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: charles.vanek at gmail.com Subject: [NFBCS] Training for Developers, QA & Designers in WCAG practices Good day all. I'm wondering if anyone has good suggestions for courses online or companies providing train the trainer style WCAG coding, testing and designing? Ideally I'd like a program that has out of the box videos and materials to start the team with and live sessions as well with some mentorship. Probably would have a few Developers, a designer or two and two QA. I hope to create a few SMEs in the company that can then be the go to people which will share knowledge amongst the rest of the staff. Thanks! _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/rayndarren%40gmail.com From carcione at access.net Thu Mar 11 13:49:13 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:49:13 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode In-Reply-To: References: <005701d714ec$3d553270$b7ff9750$@access.net> Message-ID: <005701d7167d$5240a3d0$f6c1eb70$@access.net> Thanks Chris. I tried this last night, and it worked; I was able to find the info I was looking for. Do you know if there's a command like the Jaws PC cursor, to get out of review mode, or does it automatically stop once I stop using NVDA with the arrow keys? Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2021 6:07 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Christopher Chaltain; Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I'd like to know more about this as well. From what I can tell, you can use the NVDA-key+Page-up and Page-down to change review modes and then NVDA-key+Up-arrow and Down-arrow to move around in that review mode. Screen review mode seems to be the closets to JAWS cursor mode. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:58 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I have read about the NVDA review mode in the manual a few times, and I still don't get it. Is there a keystroke in NVDA similar to "route Jaws to PC", after which I can cursor around and explore the screen, then use another keystroke to return to what Jaws calls the PC cursor? Or can someone recommend somewhere to read about the NVDA review mode that explains it better than the manual? Tracy _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chaltain%40outlook.com _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From chong.curtis at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 15:51:44 2021 From: chong.curtis at gmail.com (Curtis Chong) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:51:44 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode In-Reply-To: <005701d7167d$5240a3d0$f6c1eb70$@access.net> References: <005701d714ec$3d553270$b7ff9750$@access.net> <005701d7167d$5240a3d0$f6c1eb70$@access.net> Message-ID: <008201d7168e$6feb2ed0$4fc18c70$@gmail.com> Tracy: In NVDA, Review Mode is not a thing you turn on and off. Simply using the keys on the number pad executes the NVDA reviewing functions. The arrow keys, as in the arrow keys in the center section of the larger keyboard, still function as they normally would. All of this can get a bit confusing if one does not have a full-sized keyboard with a number pad. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:49 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode Thanks Chris. I tried this last night, and it worked; I was able to find the info I was looking for. Do you know if there's a command like the Jaws PC cursor, to get out of review mode, or does it automatically stop once I stop using NVDA with the arrow keys? Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2021 6:07 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Christopher Chaltain; Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I'd like to know more about this as well. From what I can tell, you can use the NVDA-key+Page-up and Page-down to change review modes and then NVDA-key+Up-arrow and Down-arrow to move around in that review mode. Screen review mode seems to be the closets to JAWS cursor mode. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:58 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I have read about the NVDA review mode in the manual a few times, and I still don't get it. Is there a keystroke in NVDA similar to "route Jaws to PC", after which I can cursor around and explore the screen, then use another keystroke to return to what Jaws calls the PC cursor? Or can someone recommend somewhere to read about the NVDA review mode that explains it better than the manual? Tracy _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chaltain%40outlook.com _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From chaltain at outlook.com Thu Mar 11 17:53:36 2021 From: chaltain at outlook.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:53:36 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode In-Reply-To: <005701d7167d$5240a3d0$f6c1eb70$@access.net> References: <005701d714ec$3d553270$b7ff9750$@access.net> <005701d7167d$5240a3d0$f6c1eb70$@access.net> Message-ID: Yes, as long as you're using the NVDA+arrow keys you'll be reviewing the screen or the application depending on the review mode you're in. Just use the arrow keys without the NVDA key to navigate normally. Remember NVDA+page-up and page-down will let you change review modes. Also, NVDA+space toggles you between browse mode and focus mode, which is also similar to JAWS cursors and scan modes. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:49 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode Thanks Chris. I tried this last night, and it worked; I was able to find the info I was looking for. Do you know if there's a command like the Jaws PC cursor, to get out of review mode, or does it automatically stop once I stop using NVDA with the arrow keys? Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2021 6:07 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Christopher Chaltain; Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I'd like to know more about this as well. From what I can tell, you can use the NVDA-key+Page-up and Page-down to change review modes and then NVDA-key+Up-arrow and Down-arrow to move around in that review mode. NVDA-key+Screen review mode seems to be the closets to JAWS cursor mode. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:58 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I have read about the NVDA review mode in the manual a few times, and I still don't get it. Is there a keystroke in NVDA similar to "route Jaws to PC", after which I can cursor around and explore the screen, then use another keystroke to return to what Jaws calls the PC cursor? Or can someone recommend somewhere to read about the NVDA review mode that explains it better than the manual? Tracy _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chaltain%40outlook.com _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chaltain%40outlook.com From steve.jacobson at outlook.com Fri Mar 12 01:23:36 2021 From: steve.jacobson at outlook.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 01:23:36 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode In-Reply-To: <008201d7168e$6feb2ed0$4fc18c70$@gmail.com> References: <005701d714ec$3d553270$b7ff9750$@access.net> <005701d7167d$5240a3d0$f6c1eb70$@access.net> <008201d7168e$6feb2ed0$4fc18c70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Curtis and Tracy, There is a little more to this if I may add to it. It is really getting difficult to find absolute comparisons in all cases between NVDA, JAWS and Narrator, because they do some things differently. However, usually when you use the keys on the Numeric keypad in NVDA, you start out in Object mode. In that mode, the NUMPAD Arrow keys move around within the current object. Pressing the NUMPAD ARROW keys with the NVDA key will allow navigation by object. You have to try it to get the feel for it. There are options to open and object that will generally move your focus to that object. You can get some idea of which objects are contained in larger objects as well. However, pressing NVDA and Numpad HOME will place you into "Screen Review" Mode which is fairly similar to the JAWS cursor. At any time, you can switch to the other ARROW keys which are still controlled by the application. This is somewhat analogous to how Window-Eyes handled this. If you go back to the NUMPAD, you will still be in Review Mode. If you press NUMPAD HOME again, NVDA will usually say "No Next Review Mode" because NUMPAD HOME is one of two keys that cycles through multiple modes. To have the Numeric keypad leave Screen Review, press the NUMPAD END key which will Cycle you through what they call "previous" review modes including Document and Object. To some degree, moving around within an object using the NUMPAD arrow keys is a little like restricting the JAWS cursor. On a laptop, the Next and Previous Review Mode keys are NVDA PGUP and NVDA PGDN. If one looks at the NVDA Command Reference from within the help menu, the LAPTOP and Gesture equivalents are all listed. I am not an NVDA expert so I don't know to what degree the selected review mode is application dependent. Tracy, as you know, you can always count on me for a long and confusing answer. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Curtis Chong via NFBCS Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:52 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Curtis Chong ; 'Tracy Carcione' Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode Tracy: In NVDA, Review Mode is not a thing you turn on and off. Simply using the keys on the number pad executes the NVDA reviewing functions. The arrow keys, as in the arrow keys in the center section of the larger keyboard, still function as they normally would. All of this can get a bit confusing if one does not have a full-sized keyboard with a number pad. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:49 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode Thanks Chris. I tried this last night, and it worked; I was able to find the info I was looking for. Do you know if there's a command like the Jaws PC cursor, to get out of review mode, or does it automatically stop once I stop using NVDA with the arrow keys? Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2021 6:07 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Christopher Chaltain; Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I'd like to know more about this as well. From what I can tell, you can use the NVDA-key+Page-up and Page-down to change review modes and then NVDA-key+Up-arrow and Down-arrow to move around in that review mode. Screen review mode seems to be the closets to JAWS cursor mode. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:58 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I have read about the NVDA review mode in the manual a few times, and I still don't get it. Is there a keystroke in NVDA similar to "route Jaws to PC", after which I can cursor around and explore the screen, then use another keystroke to return to what Jaws calls the PC cursor? Or can someone recommend somewhere to read about the NVDA review mode that explains it better than the manual? 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That wasn't confusing at all. Thanks to you, Chris and Curtis, I feel like I understand the NVDA review mode much better than I did. The only confusing bit left is that I'm using a laptop with no numpad, but, now that I understand better, I can look at NVDA help again and figure that out. I can reach back before Jaws to other review modes I recall that may be more similar to the NVDA way. Thanks guys! Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via NFBCS Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:24 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Steve Jacobson Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode Curtis and Tracy, There is a little more to this if I may add to it. It is really getting difficult to find absolute comparisons in all cases between NVDA, JAWS and Narrator, because they do some things differently. However, usually when you use the keys on the Numeric keypad in NVDA, you start out in Object mode. In that mode, the NUMPAD Arrow keys move around within the current object. Pressing the NUMPAD ARROW keys with the NVDA key will allow navigation by object. You have to try it to get the feel for it. There are options to open and object that will generally move your focus to that object. You can get some idea of which objects are contained in larger objects as well. However, pressing NVDA and Numpad HOME will place you into "Screen Review" Mode which is fairly similar to the JAWS cursor. At any time, you can switch to the other ARROW keys which are still controlled by the application. This is somewhat analogous to how Window-Eyes handled this. If you go back to the NUMPAD, you will still be in Review Mode. If you press NUMPAD HOME again, NVDA will usually say "No Next Review Mode" because NUMPAD HOME is one of two keys that cycles through multiple modes. To have the Numeric keypad leave Screen Review, press the NUMPAD END key which will Cycle you through what they call "previous" review modes including Document and Object. To some degree, moving around within an object using the NUMPAD arrow keys is a little like restricting the JAWS cursor. On a laptop, the Next and Previous Review Mode keys are NVDA PGUP and NVDA PGDN. If one looks at the NVDA Command Reference from within the help menu, the LAPTOP and Gesture equivalents are all listed. I am not an NVDA expert so I don't know to what degree the selected review mode is application dependent. Tracy, as you know, you can always count on me for a long and confusing answer. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Curtis Chong via NFBCS Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:52 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Curtis Chong ; 'Tracy Carcione' Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode Tracy: In NVDA, Review Mode is not a thing you turn on and off. Simply using the keys on the number pad executes the NVDA reviewing functions. The arrow keys, as in the arrow keys in the center section of the larger keyboard, still function as they normally would. All of this can get a bit confusing if one does not have a full-sized keyboard with a number pad. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:49 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode Thanks Chris. I tried this last night, and it worked; I was able to find the info I was looking for. Do you know if there's a command like the Jaws PC cursor, to get out of review mode, or does it automatically stop once I stop using NVDA with the arrow keys? Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2021 6:07 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Christopher Chaltain; Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I'd like to know more about this as well. From what I can tell, you can use the NVDA-key+Page-up and Page-down to change review modes and then NVDA-key+Up-arrow and Down-arrow to move around in that review mode. Screen review mode seems to be the closets to JAWS cursor mode. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:58 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] NVDA review mode I have read about the NVDA review mode in the manual a few times, and I still don't get it. Is there a keystroke in NVDA similar to "route Jaws to PC", after which I can cursor around and explore the screen, then use another keystroke to return to what Jaws calls the PC cursor? Or can someone recommend somewhere to read about the NVDA review mode that explains it better than the manual? 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Anyone know who to contact about this? Tracy From chong.curtis at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 15:15:01 2021 From: chong.curtis at gmail.com (Curtis Chong) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 08:15:01 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility In-Reply-To: <005401d7173c$2e502580$8af07080$@access.net> References: <005401d7173c$2e502580$8af07080$@access.net> Message-ID: <006201d71752$7950e220$6bf2a660$@gmail.com> Tracy: It appears the NFB site is currently under maintenance. Curtis -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 5:35 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility I very much want to take the NFB survey on vaccine website accessibility, but, when I go to the link provided, it says page not found. Anyone know who to contact about this? Tracy _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Fri Mar 12 16:52:46 2021 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:52:46 -0600 Subject: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility In-Reply-To: <006201d71752$7950e220$6bf2a660$@gmail.com> References: <005401d7173c$2e502580$8af07080$@access.net> <006201d71752$7950e220$6bf2a660$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501d71760$21577d00$64067700$@satx.rr.com> Good morning Curtis and everyone, It would be wonderful if the NFB sites would display a message alerting visitors that site maintenance is currently taking place and to try back later. Peter Donahue -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Curtis Chong via NFBCS Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 9:15 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Curtis Chong ; 'Tracy Carcione' Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility Tracy: It appears the NFB site is currently under maintenance. Curtis -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 5:35 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility I very much want to take the NFB survey on vaccine website accessibility, but, when I go to the link provided, it says page not found. Anyone know who to contact about this? Tracy _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From chong.curtis at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 17:04:39 2021 From: chong.curtis at gmail.com (Curtis Chong) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:04:39 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility In-Reply-To: <000501d71760$21577d00$64067700$@satx.rr.com> References: <005401d7173c$2e502580$8af07080$@access.net> <006201d71752$7950e220$6bf2a660$@gmail.com> <000501d71760$21577d00$64067700$@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <005301d71761$ca4c3ee0$5ee4bca0$@gmail.com> Peter: Indeed that is exactly what is happening now. -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Peter via NFBCS Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 9:53 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Peter Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility Good morning Curtis and everyone, It would be wonderful if the NFB sites would display a message alerting visitors that site maintenance is currently taking place and to try back later. Peter Donahue -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Curtis Chong via NFBCS Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 9:15 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Curtis Chong ; 'Tracy Carcione' Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility Tracy: It appears the NFB site is currently under maintenance. Curtis -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 5:35 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility I very much want to take the NFB survey on vaccine website accessibility, but, when I go to the link provided, it says page not found. Anyone know who to contact about this? Tracy _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From hinaaltaf1983 at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 17:21:55 2021 From: hinaaltaf1983 at gmail.com (hina altaf) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:21:55 -0600 Subject: [NFBCS] A few questions on front design apps Message-ID: Hi experts, My name is hina altaf. I am totally blind jaws user. I am taking a front end design class and the software they are using is figma. Figma is not very accessible with jaws. Do you know of any other alternative that might help me create designs, logos, moodboards and mockups with jaws? Or is there any other way I can get the job done? Next I will be taking javascript and any tips and techniques will be appreciated on that as well and maybe if you have a resource for the beginners I could start looking at before I take javascript? Thanks. Hina. From sabra1023 at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 18:20:01 2021 From: sabra1023 at gmail.com (Sabra Ewing) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:20:01 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility In-Reply-To: <005301d71761$ca4c3ee0$5ee4bca0$@gmail.com> References: <005301d71761$ca4c3ee0$5ee4bca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3FB462ED-267A-44DD-9131-56BD72E2C846@gmail.com> I was having problems too. It just kept saying loading loading loading. I wasn't sure if that was because I was on the phone though or my Internet wasn't working. So I didn't say anything. I have had problems before when other people weren't and then I felt embarrassed. Sabra Ewing > On Mar 12, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS wrote: > > ?Peter: > > Indeed that is exactly what is happening now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Peter via NFBCS > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 9:53 AM > To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' > Cc: Peter > Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility > > Good morning Curtis and everyone, > > It would be wonderful if the NFB sites would display a message > alerting visitors that site maintenance is currently taking place and to try > back later. > > Peter Donahue > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Curtis Chong via NFBCS > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 9:15 AM > To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' > Cc: Curtis Chong ; 'Tracy Carcione' > > Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility > > Tracy: > > It appears the NFB site is currently under maintenance. > > Curtis > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 5:35 AM > To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' > Cc: Tracy Carcione > Subject: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility > > I very much want to take the NFB survey on vaccine website accessibility, > but, when I go to the link provided, it says page not found. Anyone know > who to contact about this? > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/sabra1023%40gmail.com From chaltain at outlook.com Fri Mar 12 18:23:18 2021 From: chaltain at outlook.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:23:18 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} RE: Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility In-Reply-To: <000501d71760$21577d00$64067700$@satx.rr.com> References: <005401d7173c$2e502580$8af07080$@access.net> <006201d71752$7950e220$6bf2a660$@gmail.com> <000501d71760$21577d00$64067700$@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Depending on the maintenance being performed and the overall infrastructure, this isn't always possible. If you only have the one web server, and that web server needs to go down for maintenance, then there's no web server to put up the message that the server is down for maintenance. If the maintenance doesn't require the server to go down, or you can redirect the traffic to another server, then you can and should put a message up that the server is down for maintenance. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Peter via NFBCS Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 10:53 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Peter Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility Good morning Curtis and everyone, It would be wonderful if the NFB sites would display a message alerting visitors that site maintenance is currently taking place and to try back later. Peter Donahue -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Curtis Chong via NFBCS Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 9:15 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Curtis Chong ; 'Tracy Carcione' Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility Tracy: It appears the NFB site is currently under maintenance. Curtis -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 5:35 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] Survey link broken for vaccine accessibility I very much want to take the NFB survey on vaccine website accessibility, but, when I go to the link provided, it says page not found. Anyone know who to contact about this? Tracy _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chaltain%40outlook.com From hinaaltaf1983 at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 17:03:32 2021 From: hinaaltaf1983 at gmail.com (hina altaf) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:03:32 -0600 Subject: [NFBCS] A few questions on front design apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi friends, Anyone has any suggestions for me? On 3/12/21, hina altaf wrote: > Hi experts, > My name is hina altaf. I am totally blind jaws user. I am taking a > front end design class and the software they are using is figma. Figma > is not very accessible with jaws. Do you know of any other alternative > that might help me create designs, logos, moodboards and mockups with > jaws? > Or is there any other way I can get the job done? > Next I will be taking javascript and any tips and techniques will be > appreciated on that as well and maybe if you have a resource for the > beginners I could start looking at before I take javascript? > Thanks. > Hina. > From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Mar 13 17:41:46 2021 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:41:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links Message-ID: Hello: I'm using APA style for my papers in school which requires me to include the actual website link in my references page. Unfortunately, I'm only getting the title of the webpage when I paste it into Microsoft Word from the address bar. How do I also extract the actual link? I'm using Microsoft Edge with Jaws 2021. Thanks. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Mar 13 18:19:43 2021 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:19:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links (fwd) Message-ID: I didn't see my message come through the first time, so I'm re-sending it again. Sorry for the inconvenience if you receive it twice. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Leslie Fairall To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Subject: Extracting Website Links Hello: I'm using APA style for my papers in school which requires me to include the actual website link in my references page. Unfortunately, I'm only getting the title of the webpage when I paste it into Microsoft Word from the address bar. How do I also extract the actual link? I'm using Microsoft Edge with Jaws 2021. Thanks. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net From yllekann at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 18:24:25 2021 From: yllekann at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:24:25 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} Web Design Platforms Message-ID: Hello, everyone, I am building a website, and am torn between using Wordpress (the open-sourced version, not the blogging site) and Drupal to structure it. I know at least two blind people who have successfully used each of these, but I have yet to find anyone who has experimented with both. In your experience, what are the pros and cons of each platform? This is an informational site with graphics, text articles, and most if not all video and audio externally hosted. The pages are currently formatted in HTML 5, and will be uploaded to a Linode whenever I decide which platform to use. Thank you, and happy early pi day! Kelly Cusack From mickmcquaid at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 18:42:17 2021 From: mickmcquaid at gmail.com (Michael McQuaid) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:42:17 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] A few questions on front design apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hina - The only thing I can think of is Framer. I don't know if its interactive interface is accessible but I do know that, at a more advanced level, it allows you to use JavaScript, which can be done through an accessible IDE such as Eclipse. I realize that may not help in your current situation since you will be learning JavaScript later, but it may be worth giving the interactive interface a try anyway. It is more mature than Figma, so it *may* have addressed accessibility. It only allows two free projects, but you can reuse those. - Mick On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 1:21 PM hina altaf via NFBCS wrote: > Hi friends, > Anyone has any suggestions for me? > > > On 3/12/21, hina altaf wrote: > > Hi experts, > > My name is hina altaf. I am totally blind jaws user. I am taking a > > front end design class and the software they are using is figma. Figma > > is not very accessible with jaws. Do you know of any other alternative > > that might help me create designs, logos, moodboards and mockups with > > jaws? > > Or is there any other way I can get the job done? > > Next I will be taking javascript and any tips and techniques will be > > appreciated on that as well and maybe if you have a resource for the > > beginners I could start looking at before I take javascript? > > Thanks. > > Hina. > > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/mickmcquaid%40gmail.com > From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Sat Mar 13 19:11:18 2021 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:11:18 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} RE: Extracting Website Links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Leslie, When you are in a web page, usually control + l or control + d will put you in the address bar with the address. Once there, you may have to arrow right to make sure the web address is selected, then hit control + c to copy the address. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail: ljmaher03 at outlook.com -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 11:42 AM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Leslie Fairall Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links Hello: I'm using APA style for my papers in school which requires me to include the actual website link in my references page. Unfortunately, I'm only getting the title of the webpage when I paste it into Microsoft Word from the address bar. How do I also extract the actual link? I'm using Microsoft Edge with Jaws 2021. Thanks. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnfbcs_nfbnet.org&data=04%7C01%7C%7C6243f836ea854ff9eaa008d8e65231cf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637512587976351976%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=I5FijenWXe5L%2FTaqSielZ5kI05GpoFU79Pkr3tJmjxw%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnfbcs_nfbnet.org%2Fljmaher03%2540outlook.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7C6243f836ea854ff9eaa008d8e65231cf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637512587976361969%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fQN2G%2Fn58wAHaYncEcVdnjNNFkkqff6sJBN8FcyuI5E%3D&reserved=0 From steve.jacobson at outlook.com Sat Mar 13 19:19:45 2021 From: steve.jacobson at outlook.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:19:45 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} RE: Extracting Website Links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Leslie, I suspect that Microsoft Edge and Word might be deciding they know what you want better than you do. Make sure that Word isn't getting the title and the URL when you copy and paste it into Word. It is possible that more attributes are copied and used when the link is created. If it is doing that, you should be able to go into the Properties of the link in word and copy the URL over the title of the link. You could also copy the URL into NotePad and then copy that into Word to strip off any extra information. You might also check the Paste options within the ribbon rather than using CONTROL-V and one of those options might be plain text which should just grab the URL. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 11:42 AM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Leslie Fairall Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links Hello: I'm using APA style for my papers in school which requires me to include the actual website link in my references page. Unfortunately, I'm only getting the title of the webpage when I paste it into Microsoft Word from the address bar. How do I also extract the actual link? I'm using Microsoft Edge with Jaws 2021. Thanks. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnfbcs_nfbnet.org&data=04%7C01%7C%7C5b99be8550764f329e9908d8e651f490%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637512586952638851%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2gPDH9fi%2FHayqdrRrdiNymjx0fPe28Tte3ebyMYTHxQ%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnfbcs_nfbnet.org%2Fsteve.jacobson%2540outlook.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7C5b99be8550764f329e9908d8e651f490%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637512586952638851%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=o8K8%2BF3qBOXSS29I9L035S6CX1sdEbLFfhIwtnxwn2c%3D&reserved=0 From chong.curtis at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 19:56:55 2021 From: chong.curtis at gmail.com (Curtis Chong) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:56:55 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} RE: Extracting Website Links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201d71843$05496310$0fdc2930$@gmail.com> Greetings: If you press Alt D to get to the address bar, the address is already highlighted. Simply copy this to the clipboard. I am also using the Chromium version of Microsoft Edge, and this strategy is working for me. If this is not working for you, something else is going on, and this needs a bit of exploration and study. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 10:42 AM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Leslie Fairall Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links Hello: I'm using APA style for my papers in school which requires me to include the actual website link in my references page. Unfortunately, I'm only getting the title of the webpage when I paste it into Microsoft Word from the address bar. How do I also extract the actual link? I'm using Microsoft Edge with Jaws 2021. Thanks. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at outlook.com Sat Mar 13 19:57:30 2021 From: steve.jacobson at outlook.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:57:30 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} RE: A few questions on front design apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hina, Both of your notes got through, and I suspect nobody has specific experience with FIGMA. I was hoping somebody younger would respond, and perhaps they still will. Sometimes I have found when taking classes I needed for my job and such that I needed to work with another person to learn what I needed when I confronted an inaccessible part of a course. I am not saying that this is how it should be, but sometimes I have had to deal with things as they were. Front-end approaches to writing programs often tend to be very visual, so this is a problem we have often encountered. I know that some blind students have worked with professors to provide an alternative approach, but this has always bothered me some because sometimes knowing how software works is useful even if one can't use it. For example, I once learned some how to use some report generating tools that I could not access because part of my job was to decide which tool would work best for a project. To do that, I worked with someone who described to me exactly what they did so I learned the concepts. That is probably a pretty rare occurrence, though. Since you live here in Minnesota, I can say with some certainty that you should be able to still get money from State Services for the Blind to pay somebody to be a reader to help with this situation. I understand this may not be a great solution, though, and maybe somebody with more specific experience will respond. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of hina altaf via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 11:04 AM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: hina altaf Subject: Re: [NFBCS] A few questions on front design apps Hi friends, Anyone has any suggestions for me? On 3/12/21, hina altaf wrote: > Hi experts, > My name is hina altaf. I am totally blind jaws user. I am taking a > front end design class and the software they are using is figma. Figma > is not very accessible with jaws. Do you know of any other alternative > that might help me create designs, logos, moodboards and mockups with > jaws? > Or is there any other way I can get the job done? > Next I will be taking javascript and any tips and techniques will be > appreciated on that as well and maybe if you have a resource for the > beginners I could start looking at before I take javascript? > Thanks. > Hina. > _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnfbcs_nfbnet.org&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbfb042efabc442a0b1fd08d8e64ccfd5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637512564860966875%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=tIRg8ZXWZot%2BblA%2FVn3G86GzOQ8EXn242vJhyUFTGnM%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnfbcs_nfbnet.org%2Fsteve.jacobson%2540outlook.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbfb042efabc442a0b1fd08d8e64ccfd5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637512564860966875%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=t%2B70UrTglPMwnMD2EPeAovbgH7pY2sNk%2FdQYfxtYfk4%3D&reserved=0 From chong.curtis at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 20:43:35 2021 From: chong.curtis at gmail.com (Curtis Chong) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:43:35 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} RE: Extracting Website Links (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201d71849$8a5bf300$9f13d900$@gmail.com> Leslie: I think I understand. You are referring to text on a web page which contains an imbedded link which does not expose the actual text of the link. The solution is to tab to the highlighted text, press the Applications key (or shirt F10) and arrow down to copy link or something like that. Press Enter. Then, the actual link address will be pasted into Word. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 11:20 AM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Leslie Fairall Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links (fwd) I didn't see my message come through the first time, so I'm re-sending it again. Sorry for the inconvenience if you receive it twice. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Leslie Fairall To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Subject: Extracting Website Links Hello: I'm using APA style for my papers in school which requires me to include the actual website link in my references page. Unfortunately, I'm only getting the title of the webpage when I paste it into Microsoft Word from the address bar. How do I also extract the actual link? I'm using Microsoft Edge with Jaws 2021. Thanks. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From chong.curtis at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 20:47:19 2021 From: chong.curtis at gmail.com (Curtis Chong) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:47:19 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} RE: Extracting Website Links (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301d7184a$0fe52140$2faf63c0$@gmail.com> Leslie: You can also go to the page which the highlighted text sends you to and then extract the actual URL from that page's address bar. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 11:20 AM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Leslie Fairall Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links (fwd) I didn't see my message come through the first time, so I'm re-sending it again. Sorry for the inconvenience if you receive it twice. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Leslie Fairall To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Subject: Extracting Website Links Hello: I'm using APA style for my papers in school which requires me to include the actual website link in my references page. Unfortunately, I'm only getting the title of the webpage when I paste it into Microsoft Word from the address bar. How do I also extract the actual link? I'm using Microsoft Edge with Jaws 2021. Thanks. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From pj.er.nagy1 at verizon.net Sat Mar 13 20:48:44 2021 From: pj.er.nagy1 at verizon.net (Paul Nagy) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:48:44 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009501d7184a$432dcac0$c9896040$@verizon.net> Hi Leslie, In Edge, to copy the actual link to the Google website, which is https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl I pressed ALT+D to select the website address, then CTRL+C to copy the link to the Clipboard. Then, in Word, I pressed ALT, then N, then I, then CTRL+V. This pasted the actual link to Google in the Word document. I hope this is helpful. Paul Nagy -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:42 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Leslie Fairall Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links Hello: I'm using APA style for my papers in school which requires me to include the actual website link in my references page. Unfortunately, I'm only getting the title of the webpage when I paste it into Microsoft Word from the address bar. How do I also extract the actual link? I'm using Microsoft Edge with Jaws 2021. Thanks. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pj.er.nagy1%40verizon.net From pj.er.nagy1 at verizon.net Sat Mar 13 20:54:55 2021 From: pj.er.nagy1 at verizon.net (Paul Nagy) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:54:55 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009601d7184b$1ff78d10$5fe6a730$@verizon.net> Hi Leslie, In Edge, to copy the actual link to the Google website, which is https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl I pressed ALT+D to select the website address, then CTRL+C to copy the link to the Clipboard. Then, in Word, I pressed ALT, then N, then I, then CTRL+V, then ENTER. This pasted the actual link to Google in the Word document. I hope this is helpful. Paul Nagy -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:20 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Leslie Fairall Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links (fwd) I didn't see my message come through the first time, so I'm re-sending it again. Sorry for the inconvenience if you receive it twice. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Leslie Fairall To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Subject: Extracting Website Links Hello: I'm using APA style for my papers in school which requires me to include the actual website link in my references page. Unfortunately, I'm only getting the title of the webpage when I paste it into Microsoft Word from the address bar. How do I also extract the actual link? I'm using Microsoft Edge with Jaws 2021. Thanks. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pj.er.nagy1%40verizon.net From jbar at barcore.com Sat Mar 13 22:51:15 2021 From: jbar at barcore.com (Jim Barbour) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:51:15 -0800 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} RE: Extracting Website Links In-Reply-To: <000201d71843$05496310$0fdc2930$@gmail.com> References: <000201d71843$05496310$0fdc2930$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Is it possible that the link is being pasted into the word document, and word is simply showing it as a preview of the page the link is pointing to? Jim On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 12:56:55PM -0700, Curtis Chong via NFBCS wrote: > Greetings: > > If you press Alt D to get to the address bar, the address is already > highlighted. Simply copy this to the clipboard. I am also using the Chromium > version of Microsoft Edge, and this strategy is working for me. If this is > not working for you, something else is going on, and this needs a bit of > exploration and study. > > Cordially, > > Curtis Chong > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall via NFBCS > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 10:42 AM > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List > Cc: Leslie Fairall > Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links > > Hello: > > I'm using APA style for my papers in school which requires me to include > the actual website link in my references page. Unfortunately, I'm only > getting the title of the webpage when I paste it into Microsoft Word from > the address bar. How do I also extract the actual link? I'm using > Microsoft Edge with Jaws 2021. Thanks. > > -- > Leslie Fairall > mailto:fairall at shellworld.net > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jbar%40barcore.com > From fairall at shellworld.net Sun Mar 14 01:54:13 2021 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 20:54:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links In-Reply-To: <009501d7184a$432dcac0$c9896040$@verizon.net> References: <009501d7184a$432dcac0$c9896040$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi Paul: I actually need to cut and paste the link to a Word doc. I go to the address bar with alt-d, highlight the link, and press control-c to copy. So, should I press alt-n instead of control-v to pate the link itself? -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net From chong.curtis at gmail.com Sun Mar 14 04:10:39 2021 From: chong.curtis at gmail.com (Curtis Chong) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 21:10:39 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} RE: Extracting Website Links In-Reply-To: References: <009501d7184a$432dcac0$c9896040$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001201d71887$fe93ce30$fbbb6a90$@gmail.com> Hello Leslie: In response to your question, if what you are doing is to copy the actual page of the web page you are viewing into Word, the process you described is the correct one. If, however, you want to copy the actual URL of something that is being referenced on the page you are viewing, then that is a different matter. I am not clear from your email which problem you are trying to attack. Can you clarify please? Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 6:54 PM To: Paul Nagy via NFBCS Cc: Leslie Fairall Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links Hi Paul: I actually need to cut and paste the link to a Word doc. I go to the address bar with alt-d, highlight the link, and press control-c to copy. So, should I press alt-n instead of control-v to pate the link itself? -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From pj.er.nagy1 at verizon.net Sun Mar 14 11:22:47 2021 From: pj.er.nagy1 at verizon.net (Paul Nagy) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 07:22:47 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} RE: Extracting Website Links In-Reply-To: References: <009501d7184a$432dcac0$c9896040$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <005401d718c4$5d494ae0$17dbe0a0$@verizon.net> Hi Leslie, After copying the URL, once you are in Word, press ALT, then N, then I, then ENTER. Don't press ALT and N simultaneously. These keystrokes is not a key combination like alt-d that you used to go to address bar. I hope this helps. Paul Nagy mailto:pj.er.nagy1 at verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 8:54 PM To: Paul Nagy via NFBCS Cc: Leslie Fairall Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Extracting Website Links Hi Paul: I actually need to cut and paste the link to a Word doc. I go to the address bar with alt-d, highlight the link, and press control-c to copy. So, should I press alt-n instead of control-v to pate the link itself? -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at shellworld.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pj.er.nagy1%40verizon.net From carcione at access.net Sun Mar 14 13:57:34 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 09:57:34 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF Message-ID: <005701d718d9$fc3376c0$f49a6440$@access.net> I have solar panels on my roof, and I get a quarterly statement from the power company showing a lot about them. It's a PDF with about 10 columns, so many it's hard to keep track of what I'm looking at. I try to remember all the headings, then sort of count over, but it's not a great method. Is there a better way to figure out the heading for the column I'm looking at? I'm using Jaws and Adobe DC. I think about getting other kinds of statements in PDF rather than paper, but I find them much harder to understand. Tracy From nancy.l.coffman at gmail.com Sun Mar 14 14:03:17 2021 From: nancy.l.coffman at gmail.com (Nancy Coffman) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 09:03:17 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF In-Reply-To: <005701d718d9$fc3376c0$f49a6440$@access.net> References: <005701d718d9$fc3376c0$f49a6440$@access.net> Message-ID: <98D20579-555A-4012-899D-9288B44FFD44@gmail.com> Are the columns formatted into a properly marked up table? If not I would talk to the power company about whether they could create accessible PDF documents. They can print those just like they print what you are getting. Nancy Coffman Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS wrote: > > ?I have solar panels on my roof, and I get a quarterly statement from the > power company showing a lot about them. It's a PDF with about 10 columns, > so many it's hard to keep track of what I'm looking at. I try to remember > all the headings, then sort of count over, but it's not a great method. > > Is there a better way to figure out the heading for the column I'm looking > at? > > I'm using Jaws and Adobe DC. > > I think about getting other kinds of statements in PDF rather than paper, > but I find them much harder to understand. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/nancy.l.coffman%40gmail.com From carcione at access.net Sun Mar 14 14:18:57 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:18:57 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF In-Reply-To: <98D20579-555A-4012-899D-9288B44FFD44@gmail.com> References: <005701d718d9$fc3376c0$f49a6440$@access.net> <98D20579-555A-4012-899D-9288B44FFD44@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006401d718dc$f8f53450$eadf9cf0$@access.net> How would I know? I pick "right to left, top to bottom" from the PDF startup choices, and the doc presents me with a long row of data. Does that mean it's properly marked up? Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via NFBCS Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:03 AM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Nancy Coffman Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF Are the columns formatted into a properly marked up table? If not I would talk to the power company about whether they could create accessible PDF documents. They can print those just like they print what you are getting. Nancy Coffman Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS wrote: > > ?I have solar panels on my roof, and I get a quarterly statement from the > power company showing a lot about them. It's a PDF with about 10 columns, > so many it's hard to keep track of what I'm looking at. I try to remember > all the headings, then sort of count over, but it's not a great method. > > Is there a better way to figure out the heading for the column I'm looking > at? > > I'm using Jaws and Adobe DC. > > I think about getting other kinds of statements in PDF rather than paper, > but I find them much harder to understand. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/nancy.l.coffman%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From wmajerus at gmail.com Sun Mar 14 14:26:31 2021 From: wmajerus at gmail.com (Wes Majerus) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 09:26:31 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF In-Reply-To: <006401d718dc$f8f53450$eadf9cf0$@access.net> References: <006401d718dc$f8f53450$eadf9cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: Hi: If the screen reader doesn't announce "Table with x columns and y rows" or if you cannot move by table in the document, the markup isn't correct. As a longshot, you could run it through Convenient OCR and see if it is able to create table markUp... sometimes it can. This is not the final solution, but it could get you somewhere until the power company restructures their PDF's. Wes Majerus Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS wrote: > > ?How would I know? I pick "right to left, top to bottom" from the PDF startup choices, and the doc presents me with a long row of data. Does that mean it's properly marked up? > Tracy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via NFBCS > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:03 AM > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List > Cc: Nancy Coffman > Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF > > Are the columns formatted into a properly marked up table? If not I would talk to the power company about whether they could create accessible PDF documents. They can print those just like they print what you are getting. > > Nancy Coffman > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS wrote: >> >> ?I have solar panels on my roof, and I get a quarterly statement from the >> power company showing a lot about them. It's a PDF with about 10 columns, >> so many it's hard to keep track of what I'm looking at. I try to remember >> all the headings, then sort of count over, but it's not a great method. >> >> Is there a better way to figure out the heading for the column I'm looking >> at? >> >> I'm using Jaws and Adobe DC. >> >> I think about getting other kinds of statements in PDF rather than paper, >> but I find them much harder to understand. >> >> Tracy >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/nancy.l.coffman%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/wmajerus%40gmail.com From oscarjmontiel37 at gmail.com Sun Mar 14 14:39:17 2021 From: oscarjmontiel37 at gmail.com (Oscar Josue Montiel) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:39:17 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] For those who are cyber security majors or have IT Certificates Message-ID: <604e2015.1c69fb81.93ca0.579f@mx.google.com> Good Morning: I have a question for those who are studying Cyber Security.? I was studying to attain my Security+ certificate, but the style of learning was not for me, and I failed my Comptia-SYO0-501-Security+ Exam.?? I also, tried going to Northern Virginia Community College to get a degree, but that also didn't work out. I am open to figuring? out what the best course of action to take, to attain either? certifications or degrees? in the Cyber Security field. Does someone have any school recomendations that I should look into, either for a Bachelors Degree or just attaining certifications? Oscar Montiel From cannona at fireantproductions.com Sun Mar 14 16:13:29 2021 From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 11:13:29 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] For those who are cyber security majors or have IT Certificates In-Reply-To: <604e2015.1c69fb81.93ca0.579f@mx.google.com> References: <604e2015.1c69fb81.93ca0.579f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Oscar. What exactly wasn't working for you with regards to the learning style? Here's what most schools won't tell you, because it's in their best interest not to. Most schools do a very poor job at actually preparing their students for careers in IT. The most valuable skill you can get from school is learning how to learn. Now, I want to be clear. I'm not saying that schools are not useful, or that they won't teach you valuable things. However, most folks expect far more out of their schooling than they actually get. For instance, don't be surprised if you don't end up using the technologies you learned about in school when you go to work. What this all boils down to is you should absolutely not be relying on any program, university or college to teach you the things you need to know. You need to learn how to teach yourself, because that's the reality that you're going to face in your career. So, while it's unfortunate that your school didn't prepare you to pass the exam, ultimately, it's up to you to solve it. Here's what works for me. YMMV. When there is a new technology that I need to learn, my first stops are Youtube, and BookShare. YouTube is great for getting a quick intro, but sometimes you can find a free course on the topic that will take you even deeper than you thought. Obviously videos aren't always accessible, but don't worry about that too much. When I am listening to a video, as long as I'm getting something out of it, then it's probably worth it. I don't worry about getting every detail at this point. I just want to understand the broad concepts. I can fill in the blanks later. I also sometimes check out Udemy, though reading the reviews before you buy something on that site is vital, as there's an awful lot of poor quality content on there. With Udemy, they have a sale literally every other week, so make sure you never pay more than $13 for a course. If you have a public library that offers a lynda.com subscription, that can be a great resource as well. Then, when it's time to fill in those blanks, I turn to the official documentation, online books, BookShare, and other EBook resources to fill in the gaps. Whatever the resource, be sure to check the date of whatever you use. Make sure you aren't studying from an outdated video course or book. If there are a lot of little facts that you need to cram into your brain, then I recommend making some electronic flashcards. Use a flashcard app that uses spaced repetition, as those are generally the most efficient way to make things stick over the long-run. I use Flashcards Deluxe by Orange or Apple, but there are several. (I use it on IOS, so if they have an Android app, I can't vouch for its accessibility.) But there are several apps that allow you to use this technique. I just like this one, since they make it pretty easy to create sets of cards in Excel, and then import them into the app. Fortunately, once you get into industry, you'll find that memorization becomes less and less valuable, as when you can't remember something at work, no one cares if you just Google it. Of course, there are other ways to learn things, but the important takeaway from all this is you need to figure out what works for you, since no matter what computer field you enter, you will be required to be constantly learning throughout your career. Good luck, and please don't hesitate to reach out should you have any more questions, or need some more ideas. Aaron On 3/14/21, Oscar Josue Montiel via NFBCS wrote: > Good Morning: > > I have a question for those who are studying Cyber Security.? I was studying > to attain my Security+ certificate, but the style of learning was not for > me, and I failed my Comptia-SYO0-501-Security+ Exam.?? I also, tried going > to Northern Virginia Community College to get a degree, but that also didn't > work out. I am open to figuring? out what the best course of action to take, > to attain either? certifications or degrees? in the Cyber Security field. > Does someone have any school recomendations that I should look into, either > for a Bachelors Degree or just attaining certifications? > > Oscar Montiel > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com > From steve.jacobson at outlook.com Sun Mar 14 17:51:11 2021 From: steve.jacobson at outlook.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 17:51:11 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} RE: Columns in PDF In-Reply-To: References: <006401d718dc$f8f53450$eadf9cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: Tracy, You might try the reading order option that "infers reading order from document" or something similar. Reading from left to right, top to bottom is usually what I use, but I have found that it sometimes causes structure that is in the document to be ignored. Of course, you may still find that there is no table markup. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Wes Majerus via NFBCS Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 9:27 AM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Wes Majerus Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF Hi: If the screen reader doesn't announce "Table with x columns and y rows" or if you cannot move by table in the document, the markup isn't correct. As a longshot, you could run it through Convenient OCR and see if it is able to create table markUp... sometimes it can. This is not the final solution, but it could get you somewhere until the power company restructures their PDF's. Wes Majerus Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS wrote: > > ?How would I know? I pick "right to left, top to bottom" from the PDF startup choices, and the doc presents me with a long row of data. Does that mean it's properly marked up? > Tracy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via NFBCS > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:03 AM > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List > Cc: Nancy Coffman > Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF > > Are the columns formatted into a properly marked up table? If not I would talk to the power company about whether they could create accessible PDF documents. They can print those just like they print what you are getting. > > Nancy Coffman > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS wrote: >> >> ?I have solar panels on my roof, and I get a quarterly statement from the >> power company showing a lot about them. It's a PDF with about 10 columns, >> so many it's hard to keep track of what I'm looking at. 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This is a common failing which unfortunately plagues too many of us. Try running convenient OCR against it. Sometimes that helps. Otherwise, there is no really good alternative except to kick the proverbial butt of the company (in a nice way, of course). Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NFBCS Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 7:58 AM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF I have solar panels on my roof, and I get a quarterly statement from the power company showing a lot about them. It's a PDF with about 10 columns, so many it's hard to keep track of what I'm looking at. I try to remember all the headings, then sort of count over, but it's not a great method. Is there a better way to figure out the heading for the column I'm looking at? I'm using Jaws and Adobe DC. I think about getting other kinds of statements in PDF rather than paper, but I find them much harder to understand. Tracy _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From dandrews920 at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 20:18:53 2021 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:18:53 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF In-Reply-To: <005701d718d9$fc3376c0$f49a6440$@access.net> References: <005701d718d9$fc3376c0$f49a6440$@access.net> Message-ID: If the PDF is properly marked up, JAWS should read you the headers if you navigate with table-reading commands. You may have to fiddle with Acrobat a little. If not, you might be able to import into a spreadsheet, monitor headers, and reat that way. This is why things should be tagged for PDF's! Dave At 08:57 AM 3/14/2021, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS wrote: >I have solar panels on my roof, and I get a quarterly statement from the >power company showing a lot about them. It's a PDF with about 10 columns, >so many it's hard to keep track of what I'm looking at. I try to remember >all the headings, then sort of count over, but it's not a great method. > >Is there a better way to figure out the heading for the column I'm looking >at? > >I'm using Jaws and Adobe DC. > >I think about getting other kinds of statements in PDF rather than paper, >but I find them much harder to understand. > >Tracy From dandrews920 at comcast.net Sun Mar 14 20:19:53 2021 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:19:53 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Columns in PDF In-Reply-To: <006401d718dc$f8f53450$eadf9cf0$@access.net> References: <005701d718d9$fc3376c0$f49a6440$@access.net> <98D20579-555A-4012-899D-9288B44FFD44@gmail.com> <006401d718dc$f8f53450$eadf9cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: Try using table-reading commands alt-control -- right or left arrows. Dave At 09:18 AM 3/14/2021, Tracy Carcione via NFBCS wrote: >How would I know? I pick "right to left, top to >bottom" from the PDF startup choices, and the >doc presents me with a long row of data. Does >that mean it's properly marked up? Tracy >-----Original Message----- From: NFBCS >[mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >Nancy Coffman via NFBCS Sent: Sunday, March 14, >2021 10:03 AM To: NFB in Computer Science >Mailing List Cc: Nancy Coffman Subject: Re: >[NFBCS] Columns in PDF Are the columns formatted >into a properly marked up table? If not I would >talk to the power company about whether they >could create accessible PDF documents. They can >print those just like they print what you are >getting. Nancy Coffman Sent from my iPhone > On >Mar 14, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Tracy Carcione via >NFBCS wrote: > > ???I have >solar panels on my roof, and I get a quarterly >statement from the > power company showing a lot >about them. It's a PDF with about 10 columns, > >so many it's hard to keep track of what I'm >looking at. I try to remember > all the >headings, then sort of count over, but it's not >a great method. > > Is there a better way to >figure out the heading for the column I'm >looking > at? > > I'm using Jaws and Adobe >DC. > > I think about getting other kinds of >statements in PDF rather than paper, > but I >find them much harder to understand. > > >Tracy > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NFBCS: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/nancy.l.coffman%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for NFBCS: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net >_______________________________________________ >NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: From reeceobryan at icloud.com Sun Mar 14 22:59:55 2021 From: reeceobryan at icloud.com (Reece O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 18:59:55 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Distro Recomendations Message-ID: <5D79948A-2005-4767-A7C6-ADF1C64BC06A@icloud.com> Can anyone give me some recommendations as for a distro that lightweight and accessible? Secure and privacy-minded are a major plus. I would love to have full disc encryption out of the box, but.could use veracrypt or luks if need. I don?t need a distro bloated and would be fine with something extremely lightweight that I can add what i need on top of it. Off topic.. Anyone purchased from System76 or Pureism? Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan C: (502)-827-3724 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. From ka0vba at dimcom.net Mon Mar 15 00:06:02 2021 From: ka0vba at dimcom.net (D. Curtis Willoughby) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 18:06:02 -0600 Subject: [NFBCS] {Spam?} Re: Distro Recomendations In-Reply-To: <5D79948A-2005-4767-A7C6-ADF1C64BC06A@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hello, Reece: I suggest debian, It can be built on an 8gb system if you don't include all the extras, I think it can be installed with disk encryption, etc. Best of all, it can be installed with speakup and espeak out of the box, and it is free! D. 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I am coming from using voice over and I?m not the best with orca. Just wondering if anyone else has used this distribution that is similar to Ubuntu. Really hope the modified Gnome Desktop plays well with orca. Any comments, suggestions or help is very much appreciated. Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan C: (502)-827-3724 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. From reeceobryan at icloud.com Thu Mar 18 07:23:07 2021 From: reeceobryan at icloud.com (Reece O'Bryan) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 03:23:07 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Linux Questions Message-ID: Have my first all and true linux box coming from System76. With up to 4.7 GHz CPU and 64Gb of ram I should be able to get the full experience of linux. Some questions, 1. I?ll only need orca as my screenreader, right? I?ll have POP OS, essentially Ubuntu. 2. Any recommendations for accessible email client and text editor? 3. What is accessible in regard to orca for running a virtual machine? I?m familiar with Vbox, but have heard KVM is better? 4. Is luks accessible or will I need to stick with using veracrypt from CLI? I would very much also appreciate if anyone has any tips or tricks to aid in accessibility. Example being a Gnome tweak. Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan C: (502)-827-3724 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. From nadia.brancati at icar.cnr.it Thu Mar 18 10:00:05 2021 From: nadia.brancati at icar.cnr.it (Nadia Brancati) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 11:00:05 +0100 Subject: [NFBCS] =?utf-8?q?Deadline_approaching_-_Call_for_Papers=3A_Spec?= =?utf-8?q?ial_Issue_=E2=80=9CAnalysis_of_1D_Biomedical_signals_thr?= =?utf-8?q?ough_AI_based_approaches_for_Image_processing=E2=80=9D_?= =?utf-8?q?=28Biomedical_Signal_Processing_and_Control_Journal=29?= Message-ID: Dear Colleague, the journal Biomedical Signal Processing and Control Journal (IF 3.137, https://www.journals.elsevier.com/biomedical-signal-processing-and-control) is currently running a Special Issue entitled ?Analysis of 1D Biomedical signals through AI based approaches for Image processing?, which is now open for submissions: https://www.journals.elsevier.com/biomedical-signal-processing-and-control/call-for-papers/special-issue-on-analysis-of-1d-biomedical-signals Please, find below the Call for Papers of this Special Issue. I hope it is interesting for you. I apologize if you received multiple copies of this CFP. *************************************************** BIOMEDICAL SIGNAL PROCESSING AND CONTROL JOURNAL Elsevier - Impact Factor: 3.137 Special Issue on Analysis of 1D Biomedical signals through AI based approaches for Image processing ------------------------------------------ The human body is a complex electro-mechanical system that generates electrical, mechanical, thermal, and other signals that we normally call Biomedical Signals. ECG, EMG, PCG, PPG, BCG, skin temperature, and skin conductance are some of the 1D biomedical signals examples that record the dynamic changes of the human body, and that can also be monitored by the use of smart wearables. The automatic analysis of biomedical signals has become an important process to both identify indicators of diseased states and to provide meaningful information for various applications in physiology, sports medicine and human?computer interface. Recent advances in Artificial Intelligence (AI) have the potential to manage and analyze large biomedical datasets leading to the clinical decisions and real-time applications. These techniques have been applied successfully to medical imaging, but the analysis of 1D biomedical signals has yet to fully benefit from this novel approach. Biomedical Signal and Image Processing include the analysis, classification, and manipulation of signals by means of operations like filtering, compression, feature extraction, enhancement and spectral analysis. Under such conditions, the use of computational innovative techniques based on the convergence of signal and image processing will help us to get new solutions to the real-world challenges. This Special Issue is aimed at sharing the innovative ideas and algorithms in the Biomedical Signal and Image processing domain. Precisely, the objective of this Special Issue is to focus the attention on emerging methods and techniques based on the transformation of biomedical signals into images and their processing through AI based image processing approaches. With this mission, the principal aim of this Special Issue is to collect original contributions as either research papers or comprehensive reviews that address and discuss the impact and relevance of signals and images processing in research and applicative areas such as: ? Audio and Acoustic Signal Processing ? Cardiovascular Signals Processing ? Medical Signal Acquisition, Analysis and Processing ? Motion Control ? Physiological Processes and Biomedical signal Modeling ? Neural Networks for Biomedical Data ? Pattern Recognition & Machine Learning for Biomedical Data ? Biomedical signals from wearable sensors and systems ? Real-Time Systems & Biomedical-Based User Interfaces ? Internet of Health Things ? Detection and Identification of diseases ? Electromagnetic Fields in Biology and Medicine ? Others all referred to processing of 1D Biomedical Signals as images. Guest Editors Dr. Giovanna Sannino ? ICAR - CNR, Italy - giovanna.sannino at icar.cnr.it Dr. Nadia Brancati ? ICAR - CNR, Italy - nadia.brancati at icar.cnr.it Prof. Alfred M. Bruckstein ? Dep. of Computer Science, Technion IIT, Haifa, Israel - freddy at cs.technion.ac.il Dr. Maria Frucci ? ICAR - CNR, Italy - maria.frucci at icar.cnr.it Prof. Daniel Riccio ? University of Naples Federico II, Italy - daniel.riccio at unina.it Key Dates Manuscript submission due: March 30, 2021 First Review Results: June 30, 2021 Final Review and Decision: October 30, 2021 Publication date: 4th Quarter 2021 For all information: https://www.journals.elsevier.com/biomedical-signal-processing-and-control/call-for-papers/special-issue-on-analysis-of-1d-biomedical-signals From jbar at barcore.com Thu Mar 18 14:17:58 2021 From: jbar at barcore.com (Jim Barbour) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 07:17:58 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] Dropbox paper , vs Google drive for accessible collaboration Message-ID: <656A485A-394D-4B9B-8093-1F556145C896@barcore.com> Hello everybody, I wonder if anybody has compared, or has experience with, dropbox paper and Google Drive as a way to collaboratively write documents using a screen reader? I would be very interested to hear your experiences or comparisons. Thanks, Jim Written while on the move,, From yllekann at gmail.com Thu Mar 18 14:29:40 2021 From: yllekann at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 10:29:40 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Dropbox paper , vs Google drive for accessible collaboration In-Reply-To: <656A485A-394D-4B9B-8093-1F556145C896@barcore.com> References: <656A485A-394D-4B9B-8093-1F556145C896@barcore.com> Message-ID: <97EC6204-F520-4602-B990-890099832686@gmail.com> Hello, I prefer DropBox, because basically, it works on more of my devices with less pain. I flip between two computers, a phone, and a notetaker very often, so it's a huge plus that Dropbox lets me sync directly to mobile file managers through things like Dropsync. I also love the DropBox API; it seems more flexible to me than Drive has been. One complaint I have with Dropbox, though, is that it isn't quite as good at managing conflicts as Drive; it doesn't appear to merge alternatives of documents that were edited offline. > On Mar 18, 2021, at 10:19, Jim Barbour via NFBCS wrote: > > ?Hello everybody, > > I wonder if anybody has compared, or has experience with, dropbox paper and Google Drive as a way to collaboratively write documents using a screen reader? > > I would be very interested to hear your experiences or comparisons. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > Written while on the move,, > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/yllekann%40gmail.com From stacie.leap at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 12:51:14 2021 From: stacie.leap at gmail.com (Stacie Leap) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 07:51:14 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] (REMINDER: 1 week away) Online Blind Parents Support Group 03/20/21 at 7pm EST Message-ID: The National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania?s Blind Parents Committee Is happy to come together and offer a monthly support group for blind parents and blind parents? enthusiasts. Our first meeting will be on Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 7pm EST. Zoom link is below and future meetings will be on the third Saturday of the month starting at 7pm Eastern time. Looking forward to meeting some of you at the meeting. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Stacie Leap, Board Member of the Keystone Chapter at stacie.leap at gmail.com or 215-776-6741. 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Also you might like edbrowse for e-mail client and for browsing the web. D. 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I'm currently building an >accessibility program at GitHub to help make our >products more inclusive to the estimated 15% of >the world's population with a disability. Are >you a Product Manager with accessibility experience? Come join my team!" > >Apply here > > > > >Product Manager - Accessibility > > > >at GitHub? (View all jobs) >Remote - US > >At GitHub, our mission is to be the home for all >developers. More than a billion people in the >world live with disabilities and we are >determined to build a GitHub that is inclusive for everyone.? > >We???re looking for a Product Manager to lead >GitHub???s new Accessibility program. In this >role, you will define the product strategy and >vision for how we???ll not only make all GitHub >products accessible by design, but also how >we???ll take advantage of our tremendous >opportunity to leverage our platform to help all >developers build more accessible code. You???ll >collaborate with a diverse team of globally >distributed engineers, product managers and >designers to research, create, and maintain >experiences impacting millions of developers worldwide.? > >What you will be doing: > * Own the vision for your area. You will be > responsible for defining a product vision for > the future of GitHub???s accessibility program > and will need to work across the entire company > to build the vision for how we build products > at GitHub and ensure it aligns with our business goals. > * Manage the roadmap. Make tough tactical > prioritization decisions while helping the team > think long-term. Build trust with stakeholders > by maintaining an understandable, accurate roadmap. > * Collaborate across teams. Your success > will require coordination across multiple teams > and domains at GitHub to build scalable > accessibility processes, tooling and features.? > * Be customer obsessed:? 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If >you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask your Talent Partner. > From reeceobryan at icloud.com Sat Mar 20 11:06:57 2021 From: reeceobryan at icloud.com (Reece O'Bryan) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 07:06:57 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Linux Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04C8C252-22F4-4259-8B32-568CEDDB6A77@icloud.com> Is it difficult to switch between orca and speak-up when going in and out of CLI? I?m not sure why I keep hearing that I will need a designated screen reader for using iTerminal. Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan C: (502)-827-3724 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. 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Switching between Orca and Speakup happens automatically when you switch terminals. Orca and Speakup do completely different things. Without going into too much detail, the graphical interface is a separate application that runs on a tty. Linux is usable without the graphical. Speakup does the job of reading the console very well. Orca does the same for things that need a UI. You can use a terminal from within the graphical interface, but I prefer using the text console with speakup. On 3/20/21, Reece O'Bryan via NFBCS wrote: > Is it difficult to switch between orca and speak-up when going in and out of > CLI? > > I?m not sure why I keep hearing that I will need a designated screen reader > for using iTerminal. > > Thank you, > > -Reece O?Bryan > C: (502)-827-3724 > 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 > thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of > any organization or company I am affiliated with. > This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them > please destroy this immediately. > > >> On Mar 19, 2021, at 11:42 AM, mail via NFBCS wrote: >> >> ?I would certainly have speakup with espeak for when you want to >> switch to command line mode. >> >> Also you might like edbrowse for e-mail client and for >> browsing the web. >> >> D. 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Do I need espeakup or speak-ng? Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan C: (502)-827-3724 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. > On Mar 20, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Willem Venter via NFBCS wrote: > From charles.vanek at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 18:11:31 2021 From: charles.vanek at gmail.com (charles.vanek at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:11:31 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] MacOS VoiceOver Notifications Center, Air Drop and Reminders Message-ID: <003201d71e7d$9f5e4660$de1ad320$@gmail.com> Hi all, I'm trying to understand how Mac notification center works. I'm an infrequent Mac user and have always had some trouble with notifications center both on OS 10 and now 11 Big Sir. It seems to me that the Notifications window with Reminders for example stays up on the screen in front. That notifications window doesn't close with Command Q or W like other windows. It's also not in the Command Tab list. I do know it can be accessed via Control + Option + N. But some times have a hard time getting rid of it. This is most annoying if I'm trying to share a screen on something like Zoom, people on the other end see the rectangle of it blocking their view. I've also experienced where that window will suddenly and unexpected take over the position of the VoiceOver cursor. Even if I Control + Option + M and press the right arrow to see the title of the application I'm in, the application will be for example Safari while the VoiceOver Cursor is reading me a reminder. Today I'm having a similar problem with the Notifications window whereby I have a PDF on my iPhone in Safari that I'm air dropping to the Mac to print. VoiceOver is telling me of the Notification. So I press Control + Option + N to go the Notification Center. The air drop PDF is there for a short while, but I cannot seem to take any action on it by clicking and arrowing up/down. If I try to interaction with Control + Option + Shift + Down I just hear the piano tone that indicates it's not possible. I've tried with Quick keys arrows as well both on and off to interact and accept the air drop but not successful. I worked around the air drop problem by just saving the PDF from my iPhone to Microsoft OneDrive and opening it manually from OneDrive on Mac. But it would be nice to really understand how notification center works on Mac. Appreciate any thorough guidance on Notification center. Best, Charles From chong.curtis at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 18:34:06 2021 From: chong.curtis at gmail.com (Curtis Chong) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:34:06 -0600 Subject: [NFBCS] MacOS VoiceOver Notifications Center, Air Drop and Reminders In-Reply-To: <003201d71e7d$9f5e4660$de1ad320$@gmail.com> References: <003201d71e7d$9f5e4660$de1ad320$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701d71e80$c7150650$553f12f0$@gmail.com> Greetings Charles: Have you attempted to call the Apple Accessibility support line at (877) 204-3930? You might also try posting a notice on www.applevis.com to get answers to this question. My acquaintance with the Apple Mac is peripheral at best, but for Apple-related nonvisual access issues, I have found Apple Support to be of some help when a real blind expert was not available. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of charles.vanek--- via NFBCS Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 12:12 PM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: charles.vanek at gmail.com Subject: [NFBCS] MacOS VoiceOver Notifications Center, Air Drop and Reminders Hi all, I'm trying to understand how Mac notification center works. I'm an infrequent Mac user and have always had some trouble with notifications center both on OS 10 and now 11 Big Sir. It seems to me that the Notifications window with Reminders for example stays up on the screen in front. That notifications window doesn't close with Command Q or W like other windows. It's also not in the Command Tab list. I do know it can be accessed via Control + Option + N. But some times have a hard time getting rid of it. This is most annoying if I'm trying to share a screen on something like Zoom, people on the other end see the rectangle of it blocking their view. I've also experienced where that window will suddenly and unexpected take over the position of the VoiceOver cursor. Even if I Control + Option + M and press the right arrow to see the title of the application I'm in, the application will be for example Safari while the VoiceOver Cursor is reading me a reminder. Today I'm having a similar problem with the Notifications window whereby I have a PDF on my iPhone in Safari that I'm air dropping to the Mac to print. VoiceOver is telling me of the Notification. So I press Control + Option + N to go the Notification Center. The air drop PDF is there for a short while, but I cannot seem to take any action on it by clicking and arrowing up/down. If I try to interaction with Control + Option + Shift + Down I just hear the piano tone that indicates it's not possible. I've tried with Quick keys arrows as well both on and off to interact and accept the air drop but not successful. I worked around the air drop problem by just saving the PDF from my iPhone to Microsoft OneDrive and opening it manually from OneDrive on Mac. But it would be nice to really understand how notification center works on Mac. Appreciate any thorough guidance on Notification center. Best, Charles _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From charles.vanek at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 18:48:44 2021 From: charles.vanek at gmail.com (charles.vanek at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:48:44 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] MacOS VoiceOver Notifications Center, Air Drop and Reminders In-Reply-To: <000701d71e80$c7150650$553f12f0$@gmail.com> References: <003201d71e7d$9f5e4660$de1ad320$@gmail.com> <000701d71e80$c7150650$553f12f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006c01d71e82$d21c70e0$765552a0$@gmail.com> I've not called Apple support on this specifically. Apple support is good if one gets the right person. Some times they are just reading the same support documentation found online as not all of their support reps are everyday blind users. If truly nobody on this forum knows what I'm referring to and has found how to be successful with it then certainly other forums do exist. Best, Charles -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Chong Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 1:34 PM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: charles.vanek at gmail.com Subject: RE: [NFBCS] MacOS VoiceOver Notifications Center, Air Drop and Reminders Greetings Charles: Have you attempted to call the Apple Accessibility support line at (877) 204-3930? You might also try posting a notice on www.applevis.com to get answers to this question. My acquaintance with the Apple Mac is peripheral at best, but for Apple-related nonvisual access issues, I have found Apple Support to be of some help when a real blind expert was not available. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of charles.vanek--- via NFBCS Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 12:12 PM To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' Cc: charles.vanek at gmail.com Subject: [NFBCS] MacOS VoiceOver Notifications Center, Air Drop and Reminders Hi all, I'm trying to understand how Mac notification center works. I'm an infrequent Mac user and have always had some trouble with notifications center both on OS 10 and now 11 Big Sir. It seems to me that the Notifications window with Reminders for example stays up on the screen in front. That notifications window doesn't close with Command Q or W like other windows. It's also not in the Command Tab list. I do know it can be accessed via Control + Option + N. But some times have a hard time getting rid of it. This is most annoying if I'm trying to share a screen on something like Zoom, people on the other end see the rectangle of it blocking their view. I've also experienced where that window will suddenly and unexpected take over the position of the VoiceOver cursor. Even if I Control + Option + M and press the right arrow to see the title of the application I'm in, the application will be for example Safari while the VoiceOver Cursor is reading me a reminder. Today I'm having a similar problem with the Notifications window whereby I have a PDF on my iPhone in Safari that I'm air dropping to the Mac to print. VoiceOver is telling me of the Notification. So I press Control + Option + N to go the Notification Center. The air drop PDF is there for a short while, but I cannot seem to take any action on it by clicking and arrowing up/down. If I try to interaction with Control + Option + Shift + Down I just hear the piano tone that indicates it's not possible. I've tried with Quick keys arrows as well both on and off to interact and accept the air drop but not successful. I worked around the air drop problem by just saving the PDF from my iPhone to Microsoft OneDrive and opening it manually from OneDrive on Mac. But it would be nice to really understand how notification center works on Mac. Appreciate any thorough guidance on Notification center. Best, Charles _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From kaden.e.colton at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 19:18:07 2021 From: kaden.e.colton at gmail.com (Kaden Colton) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:18:07 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] MacOS VoiceOver Notifications Center, Air Drop and Reminders In-Reply-To: <006c01d71e82$d21c70e0$765552a0$@gmail.com> References: <006c01d71e82$d21c70e0$765552a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Charles, I am a Mac user. I?ve used the following to clear out the notifications or activate something from the Notifications. For things outside of the Calendar app on a Mac laptop or desktop, you can use control-options-N and select the notification you want to go to. You do not generally have tointeract with that notification by using control-options-shift-down arrow. You can use control-option-left/right arrow. If you use control-options-right arrow. There?s usually a drop down me tu associated with the Details button. If it is an Air Drop Item, you can usually click on the notification that appears. You can also use the Air Drop that is found in Finder. I typically go with the route of going to Air Lrop that can be located in Finder. Dismissing items from Calendar can je a bit different. You?ll have to go to the notifications center and then to the calendar item. You will then use control-options-shift-down arrow to interact with the item. You will then typically use control-options-left arrow. This will take you to a button that will say close. You can select it to clear a calendar notification. If you ha s any more questions, I. An do my best to answer them. Kaden > On 21 Mar 2021, at 13:50, charles.vanek--- via NFBCS wrote: > > ?I've not called Apple support on this specifically. Apple support is good > if one gets the right person. Some times they are just reading the same > support documentation found online as not all of their support reps are > everyday blind users. > > If truly nobody on this forum knows what I'm referring to and has found how > to be successful with it then certainly other forums do exist. > > Best, > Charles > > -----Original Message----- > From: Curtis Chong > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 1:34 PM > To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' > Cc: charles.vanek at gmail.com > Subject: RE: [NFBCS] MacOS VoiceOver Notifications Center, Air Drop and > Reminders > > Greetings Charles: > > Have you attempted to call the Apple Accessibility support line at (877) > 204-3930? You might also try posting a notice on www.applevis.com to get > answers to this question. My acquaintance with the Apple Mac is peripheral > at best, but for Apple-related nonvisual access issues, I have found Apple > Support to be of some help when a real blind expert was not available. > > Cordially, > > Curtis Chong > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS On Behalf Of charles.vanek--- via > NFBCS > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 12:12 PM > To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' > Cc: charles.vanek at gmail.com > Subject: [NFBCS] MacOS VoiceOver Notifications Center, Air Drop and > Reminders > > Hi all, > > I'm trying to understand how Mac notification center works. I'm an > infrequent Mac user and have always had some trouble with notifications > center both on OS 10 and now 11 Big Sir. > > > > It seems to me that the Notifications window with Reminders for example > stays up on the screen in front. That notifications window doesn't close > with Command Q or W like other windows. It's also not in the Command Tab > list. I do know it can be accessed via Control + Option + N. But some > times have a hard time getting rid of it. This is most annoying if I'm > trying to share a screen on something like Zoom, people on the other end see > the rectangle of it blocking their view. > > > > I've also experienced where that window will suddenly and unexpected take > over the position of the VoiceOver cursor. Even if I Control + Option + M > and press the right arrow to see the title of the application I'm in, the > application will be for example Safari while the VoiceOver Cursor is reading > me a reminder. > > > > Today I'm having a similar problem with the Notifications window whereby I > have a PDF on my iPhone in Safari that I'm air dropping to the Mac to print. > VoiceOver is telling me of the Notification. So I press Control + Option + > N to go the Notification Center. The air drop PDF is there for a short > while, but I cannot seem to take any action on it by clicking and arrowing > up/down. If I try to interaction with Control + Option + Shift + Down I > just hear the piano tone that indicates it's not possible. I've tried with > Quick keys arrows as well both on and off to interact and accept the air > drop but not successful. > > > > I worked around the air drop problem by just saving the PDF from my iPhone > to Microsoft OneDrive and opening it manually from OneDrive on Mac. But it > would be nice to really understand how notification center works on Mac. > > > > Appreciate any thorough guidance on Notification center. > > > > Best, > > Charles > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/kaden.e.colton%40gmail.com From dandrews920 at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 03:09:32 2021 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:09:32 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Michael Barber Message-ID: > >From: Scott Van Gorp >Cc: scott.nfbi at gmail.com >Good Morning Leaders: > >It is with a heavy heart that I report the passing of a long-time >fixture in the National Federation of the Blind of Iowa and the >country, Michael Barber. Michael has served in many capacities in >the Iowa affiliate, including as affiliate president for a number of >years, a dedicated board member, and most recently he was elected >second Vice-President at our 2020 state convention. I know many on >this list and throughout the organization knew him well, There is no >doubt he will be greatly missed. His passion, dedication, and desire >to help the blind everywhere are what made him such a powerful force >in the Federation. I will share service details as I receive them. >Our thoughts and prayers go out to his wife Kim, and all of his >family and friends. Thank you! > > > >Scott Van Gorp, President >National Federation of the Blind of Iowa >Phone: 515-720-5282 >Email > >Website >Facebook > >Twitter >Live the life you want. > >The National Federation of the Blind of Iowa is a community of >members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the >nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live >the lives they want. From th404 at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 17:43:16 2021 From: th404 at comcast.net (Tina Hansen) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:43:16 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] Looking for Bluetooth Speaker for Computer Message-ID: I?ve just upgraded my computer to Windows 10, and am looking for a decent Bluetooth speaker. I know Boes is really good, since they seem to have gotten things right, so I thought I?d start there. But that?s all I know. Does anyone have recommendations for a good Bluetooth speaker for my laptop? Thanks. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From reeceobryan at icloud.com Sat Mar 27 01:56:33 2021 From: reeceobryan at icloud.com (Reece O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:56:33 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Looking for Tutor - Paying $15/hr Message-ID: <30C70412-3C26-4938-8BFF-230B45326388@icloud.com> Hi, I?m looking for someone that has been using screen readers for a very long time to tutor me or help speed up the process of me learningthings such as orca and also virtualization in virtualbox or KVM. I have had training with Jaws before on windows and currently have been using voiceover the past few months, but have just purchased a laptop where I will exclusively be running Linux. I am having a little bit of difficulty with orca and would also like help with using virtual machines if I can find someone that uses them frequently with a screen reader. Wanting to pay $15 per hour via PayPal with this. Plan would be to do this over zoom. Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. From maurice at maurice-amines.com Sat Mar 27 23:32:56 2021 From: maurice at maurice-amines.com (maurice mines) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:32:56 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] how to stop, and/or silence mail notifications and Thunderbird for Windows? Message-ID: <9dff6fc2-85b8-5a0a-f624-95776ec91fe6@maurice-amines.com> Good afternoon everyone, unfortunately whenever I get a new message in Thunderbird for Windows my dictation software just like what happens with the screen reader that runs with it, focus gets pulled away from where I'm dictating. Thus ruining the message before can actually finish dictating it. Does anyone have any good suggestions on how to silence incoming mail notification so that I can finish dictating what I need to when I need to finish a particular piece of mail? A bit of background here. Because of a additional disability, I must use dictation software as some of you on the list may know. Unfortunately this dictation software is only available in Windows. So that means that I must use the dictation software in combination with Jaws for? windows. The type of notifications that I need to silence or notifications they tell me new mail has arrived, then he proceeds to flash the new message on screen which of course disturbs the cursor position as it takes focus away and moves it to the new message instead of what I'm I'm working on. Please note that of course as I've stated in this message it has been dictated to the computer by means of dictation software. If something that I've written above i.e. dictated above is unclear, please reach out to me and asked me what my original intent was? I look forward to hearing up any misunderstandings that might arise from the text that has been dictated above. Disclaimer number two any thoughts, positions, or statements that have been written/dictated above they are mine, they don't reflect the views of the national Federation of the blind, or the national Federation of the blind deaf blind division. Thank you very much for reading this. -- Maurice Mines, Board Member National Federation of the Blind Deafblind Division Email: board4 at nfbdeaf-blind.org Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org Live the life you want. The National Federation of the Blind Deafblind Division, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. From chaltain at outlook.com Sun Mar 28 00:36:32 2021 From: chaltain at outlook.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 00:36:32 +0000 Subject: [NFBCS] how to stop, and/or silence mail notifications and Thunderbird for Windows? In-Reply-To: <9dff6fc2-85b8-5a0a-f624-95776ec91fe6@maurice-amines.com> References: <9dff6fc2-85b8-5a0a-f624-95776ec91fe6@maurice-amines.com> Message-ID: I found the following by doing a Bing search: By default, Thunderbird will notify you of new mail via a pop-up box, as shown here. 2. If you don't want to be notified in this way, click Tools > Options > General. Uncheck either or both boxes for Show an alert or Play a sound. Then click OK. how do I turn off email notifications in Thunderbird 45.1 ... [cid:image003.png at 01D72340.7C60D980] support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1127418 -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of maurice mines via NFBCS Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 6:33 PM To: NFBnet NFBCS mailing list mailing list Cc: maurice mines Subject: [NFBCS] how to stop, and/or silence mail notifications and Thunderbird for Windows? Good afternoon everyone, unfortunately whenever I get a new message in Thunderbird for Windows my dictation software just like what happens with the screen reader that runs with it, focus gets pulled away from where I'm dictating. Thus ruining the message before can actually finish dictating it. Does anyone have any good suggestions on how to silence incoming mail notification so that I can finish dictating what I need to when I need to finish a particular piece of mail? A bit of background here. Because of a additional disability, I must use dictation software as some of you on the list may know. Unfortunately this dictation software is only available in Windows. So that means that I must use the dictation software in combination with Jaws for windows. The type of notifications that I need to silence or notifications they tell me new mail has arrived, then he proceeds to flash the new message on screen which of course disturbs the cursor position as it takes focus away and moves it to the new message instead of what I'm I'm working on. Please note that of course as I've stated in this message it has been dictated to the computer by means of dictation software. If something that I've written above i.e. dictated above is unclear, please reach out to me and asked me what my original intent was? I look forward to hearing up any misunderstandings that might arise from the text that has been dictated above. Disclaimer number two any thoughts, positions, or statements that have been written/dictated above they are mine, they don't reflect the views of the national Federation of the blind, or the national Federation of the blind deaf blind division. Thank you very much for reading this. -- Maurice Mines, Board Member National Federation of the Blind Deafblind Division Email: board4 at nfbdeaf-blind.org Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org Live the life you want. The National Federation of the Blind Deafblind Division, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chaltain%40outlook.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 1380 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com Sun Mar 28 00:41:26 2021 From: kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com (Kevin) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 20:41:26 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Looking for Tutor - Paying $15/hr In-Reply-To: <30C70412-3C26-4938-8BFF-230B45326388@icloud.com> References: <30C70412-3C26-4938-8BFF-230B45326388@icloud.com> Message-ID: <0fb69eb4-d20e-0755-b596-ab735d351210@gmail.com> I can certainly help you with the virtual machine part of things. Kevin http://kclive.buzzsprout.com On 3/26/2021 9:56 PM, Reece O'Bryan via NFBCS wrote: > Hi, > > I?m looking for someone that has been using screen readers for a very long time to tutor me or help speed up the process of me learningthings such as orca and also virtualization in virtualbox or KVM. I have had training with Jaws before on windows and currently have been using voiceover the past few months, but have just purchased a laptop where I will exclusively be running Linux. I am having a little bit of difficulty with orca and would also like help with using virtual machines if I can find someone that uses them frequently with a screen reader. > > Wanting to pay $15 per hour via PayPal with this. Plan would be to do this over zoom. > > Thank you, > > -Reece O?Bryan > > thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. > This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/kevinsisco61784%40gmail.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From angalletta at ieee.org Sun Mar 28 13:05:31 2021 From: angalletta at ieee.org (angalletta at ieee.org) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 09:05:31 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] ISCC 2021 - the 26th IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications Message-ID: Dear users of Nfbcs mailing list, ============================= CALL FOR PAPERS =============================== The 26th IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications (IEEE ISCC 2021) Submission Due Date: May 15, 2021 Conference Dates: September 5-8, 2021 Conference Venue: Athens, Greece Submission Website: https://iscc2021.edas.info/N28231 Conference Website: https://iscc2021.unipi.gr ============================================================================= Welcome to the 26th IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications (ISCC). The first IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications (ISCC) was held in 1995 in response to the growing interaction between the fields of computers and communications. ISCC takes place annually, usually in the Mediterranean region, in locations such as Egypt, Greece, France, Tunisia, Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Italy, and Brazil. In 2021, the Symposium is going to be held in Athens, Greece. ISCC sessions will include presentations on new research results and tutorials. Papers describing original work are invited in any of the computer and communications areas that the Call for Papers considers. Accepted papers will be included in the ISCC 2021 Conference Proceedings, which will be subject to independent peer-review procedures for quality, and may be eligible for inclusion in the IEEE Xplore? Digital Library. Merit, relevance, and originality will guide paper acceptance. Best Paper Award and Best Student Paper Awards will be presented. ISCC 2021, in its 26th edition, will provide an insight into the unique world stemming from the interaction between the fields of computers and communications. ISCC 2021 will provide an international technical forum for experts from industry and academia to exchange ideas and present results of on-going research in most state-of-the-art areas of computers and communications. You are invited to submit a full paper, a proposal for a Panel/Invited Session or a Tutorial, related to the following topics of interest: * 5th Generation Networks (5G) * Resource Allocation * Network Slicing * Topology Management * 5G Core Network and Service Based Architecture * C-RAN and backhaul * SDN and NFV for 5G * Network Stability, Control and Optimization * Standardization Activities by IEEE, 3GPP and ETSI * Artificial Intelligence (AI) * Artificial Intelligent Systems applications in Computers and Communications * Game Theory * Machine Learning * Bio-inspired Computing in Communications * Data Science and Data Engineering * Distributed Knowledge and Processing * Trusted AI * Cloud and Edge Computing * Cloud Computing (IaaS, PaaS, and SaaS) * Mobile Cloud and Mobile Cloud Networking * Fog Computing * Distributed Systems Architecture and Management * Internet of Things (IoT) * LPWAN (LoRa, Sigfox, NB-IoT, LTE-M, Wi-SUN) * 6TiSCH, 6LoWPAN, Roll * Rest API, CoAP, CBOR, OSCORE * Smart Spaces * Cyber Physical Systems * Telecare Medical Information System * Optical Networks * Optical Network Protocols and Architectures * Energy-efficient/green Optical Communications and Networks * Visible Light Communications (Indoor, Outdoor and Localization) * Optical Wireless Communication Applications for Future Networks * Vehicular Networks * Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS) * IEEE 802.11p ITS-G5 * Millimeter Waves * V2X, V2I, V2N, V2V, V2P, V2D, V2G * Inter and intra vehicle communication and protocols * Wireless Networks * Cognitive Radio Networking * Wireless, Cellular, and Mobile Communications * Modeling and Simulation * Signal Processing for Communications * Services and Protocols * Advances in Internet Protocols * Green Networking * Real Time Communication Services * Routing and Multicast * Network Design, Optimization and Management * Network Reliability, Quality of Service and Quality of Experience * Fault-Tolerance and Error Recovery * Web Services and Service Oriented Architectures * Standards Evolution * Digital Satellite Communications Service * Localization Protocols * Communications Services and Management * Crowdsourcing applications * Peer-to-Peer Computing * Software Defined * Software Defined Networks and Network Function Virtualization * Software Defined Smart Objects * Software Defined Data Centers * Software Defined Radio * Overlay and Programmable Networks * Security and Privacy * Data Privacy * Attacks and Defenses * Authentication, Authorization and Accounting * Hardware Security * Intrusion Detection * Moving Target Defense (MTD) * Blockchain * Application domain / Framework / Architecture * e-Health and Bioinformatics * Smart Grid * Smart City * Industry 4.0 * Smart Building =========================== Submission Guidelines =========================== Papers must be submitted electronically as a PDF file through the conference management system, at: https://iscc2021.edas.info/N28231 Please note: (1) All papers will be reviewed by the Program Committee on the basis of technical quality, relevance, originality, significance, and clarity. All paper submissions will be handled electronically. Papers that do not comply with the Submission Guidelines will be rejected without review. (2) All papers should be submitted electronically in PDF and be no longer than 7 pages in the IEEE double column proceedings format including tables, figures and references. Papers exceeding 7 pages will not be accepted. Download manuscript templates for IEEE conference proceedings: https://www.ieee.org/conferences/publishing/templates.html (3) Best Paper Award and Best Student Paper Awards will be presented. (4) Accepted papers up to 6 pages will be published with no additional charge. Exceeding page(s) will be charged an additional fee. (5) At least one author of each accepted paper is required to register to the conference and present the paper. Only registered and presented papers will be published in the conference proceedings. Accepted papers will be included in the ISCC 2021 Proceedings and will be submitted for inclusion to IEEE Xplore. The ISCC Proceedings have been indexed in the past by ISI, dblp and Scopus. This makes the ISCC conference one of the publication venues with very high visibility and impact in both Computer and Communications areas. =========================== Important Dates =========================== * Paper submission deadline: May 15, 2021 * Notification of paper acceptance: July 15, 2021 * Submission of camera-ready papers: TBA * Conference Dates: September 5-8, 2021 =========================== Organizing Committee =========================== * General Co-Chairs: * Christos Douligeris, University of Piraeus, Greece * Luca Foschini, University of Bologna, Italy * TPC Co-Chairs: * Gang Li, Deakin University, Australia * Eirini Eleni Tsiropoulou, University of New Mexico, USA * Theofanis Raptis, National Research Council (CNR), Italy * Workshops and Tutorial Co-Chairs: * Nathalie Mitton, Inria Lille-Nord Europe, France * Michael Kounavis, Intel, USA * Fabrice Theoleyre, CNRS, Paris, France * Keynote Co-Chairs: * Konstandinos Samdanis, Nokia Bell Labs, Germany * Massimo Villari, University of Messina, Italy * Periklis Chatzimisios, International Hellenic University, Greece * Poster and Demo Chair: * Dinitris Zorbas, Nazarbayev University, Kazakstan * Publicity Co-Chairs: * Min Yu, Institute of Information Engineering, Chinese Academy of Sciences, China * Luis Henrique Maciel Kosmalski Costa, EFRJ, Brasil * Rodrigue Domga Komguem, University of Yaound? in Cameroon, Capital of Cameroon * Ye Zhu, Deakin University, Australia * Antonino Galletta, University of Messina, Italy * Publication Co-Chairs: * Dimitrios Kallergis, University of West Attica, Greece * Adel Elmaghraby, University of Louisville, USA * Finance and Registration Co-Chairs: * Theodoros Karvounidis, University of Piraeus, Greece * Reda Ammar, University of Connecticut, USA * Local Co-Chairs: * Rosa Mavropodi, University of Piraeus, Greece * Zacharenia Garofalaki, University of Piraeus and University of West Attica, Greece * Webmaster: * Rosa Mavropodi, University of Piraeus, Greece =========================== Steering Committee =========================== * Reda Ammar, University of Connecticut, USA * Antonio Corradi, University of Bologna, Italy * Mario Dantas, Universidade Federal de Juiz de Fora, Brazil * Christos Douligeris, University of Piraeus, Greece * Adel S. Elmaghraby, University of Louisville, USA * Hussein Mouftah, University of Ottawa, USA * Sartaj Sahni, University of Florida, USA * Susana Sargento, Instituto de Telecomunicacoes, University of Aveiro, Portugal * Massimo Villari, University of Messina, Italy From reeceobryan at icloud.com Mon Mar 29 16:40:08 2021 From: reeceobryan at icloud.com (Reece O'Bryan) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 12:40:08 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Looking for Tutor - Paying $15/hr In-Reply-To: <0fb69eb4-d20e-0755-b596-ab735d351210@gmail.com> References: <0fb69eb4-d20e-0755-b596-ab735d351210@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A4E4540-56F9-4723-885C-81FA1796F70F@icloud.com> Great! Here are the things I specifically will need help with on VM. Let me know if you think that you could help. 1. Getting and picking between VMware, KVM and virtual box. 2. Installing virtual machines such as Ubuntu server, Windows, Whonix, Tails, possibly Debian and arch. 3. SSH into VM from host. I am familiar with virtual box on Mac OS and I am not completely new to using these. Although I very much want to learn from someone else that is also blind or using orca to navigate. Thank you, -Reece O?Bryan C: (502)-827-3724 1645 Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862 thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. > On Mar 27, 2021, at 8:48 PM, Kevin via NFBCS wrote: > > ?I can certainly help you with the virtual machine part of things. > > Kevin > > http://kclive.buzzsprout.com > > >> On 3/26/2021 9:56 PM, Reece O'Bryan via NFBCS wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I?m looking for someone that has been using screen readers for a very long time to tutor me or help speed up the process of me learningthings such as orca and also virtualization in virtualbox or KVM. I have had training with Jaws before on windows and currently have been using voiceover the past few months, but have just purchased a laptop where I will exclusively be running Linux. I am having a little bit of difficulty with orca and would also like help with using virtual machines if I can find someone that uses them frequently with a screen reader. >> >> Wanting to pay $15 per hour via PayPal with this. Plan would be to do this over zoom. >> >> Thank you, >> >> -Reece O?Bryan >> >> thing in this email is the opinion of myself and does not reflect that of any organization or company I am affiliated with. >> This email is confidential and if you weren?t the intended recipient them please destroy this immediately. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/kevinsisco61784%40gmail.com > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/reeceobryan%40icloud.com From jones.cee7 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 16:58:06 2021 From: jones.cee7 at yahoo.com (Jonesy Cee) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 12:58:06 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving References: <7C4F51C0-C04C-4D7C-9E46-01B299BB7388.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7C4F51C0-C04C-4D7C-9E46-01B299BB7388@yahoo.com> Has anyone had luck with using a screen reader such as orca and implementing a script, plug-in or application to automatically solve captchas using OCR or Voice recognition? Here is an example of what I am talking about, although I would really like to find an option that works purely with optical character recognition (OCR). https://github.com/dessant/buster From chong.curtis at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 17:42:01 2021 From: chong.curtis at gmail.com (Curtis Chong) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 11:42:01 -0600 Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving In-Reply-To: <7C4F51C0-C04C-4D7C-9E46-01B299BB7388@yahoo.com> References: <7C4F51C0-C04C-4D7C-9E46-01B299BB7388.ref@yahoo.com> <7C4F51C0-C04C-4D7C-9E46-01B299BB7388@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a701d724c2$d33fad20$79bf0760$@gmail.com> Hello: If OCR can crack a CAPTCHA, doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of the CAPTCHA? Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Jonesy Cee via NFBCS Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:58 AM To: NFBCS at nfbnet.org Cc: Jonesy Cee Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving Has anyone had luck with using a screen reader such as orca and implementing a script, plug-in or application to automatically solve captchas using OCR or Voice recognition? Here is an example of what I am talking about, although I would really like to find an option that works purely with optical character recognition (OCR). https://github.com/dessant/buster _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com From joe at pcdesk.net Mon Mar 29 18:24:57 2021 From: joe at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 14:24:57 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving In-Reply-To: <00a701d724c2$d33fad20$79bf0760$@gmail.com> References: <7C4F51C0-C04C-4D7C-9E46-01B299BB7388.ref@yahoo.com> <7C4F51C0-C04C-4D7C-9E46-01B299BB7388@yahoo.com> <00a701d724c2$d33fad20$79bf0760$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1d139225-c215-5f61-33ad-992ea925ece0@pcdesk.net> Hi Curtis, I know you already know the answer to your rhetorical question, but I am going to answer it anyway for those who don't understand why using OCR to solve captchas isn't going to happen. The entire point of a captcha is to prevent automated systems from interacting with a page. If OCR or any other automated technology could be used to solve the captcha, there would be no point in using one. If a blind person could use OCR to solve it, so could any other automated system incorporating OCR technology. The same thing goes for any other automated solution one might come up with for the solution of captchas. In fact, captchas are specifically designed to be hard to solve by automated means. For example, the ones that require you to enter a code you see on the screen have the code blurred, in funny fonts, or otherwise obscured in a way that makes it hard for automated systems to recognize the characters. Most captchas today do have an audio option that you can use as an alternative to the visual captcha. You might argue that this is harder than just using an automated solution, and you're right, it is. That's the point though; the captcha is designed to explicitly require human interaction in order to proceed. Joe On 3/29/2021 1:42 PM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS wrote: > Hello: > > If OCR can crack a CAPTCHA, doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of the > CAPTCHA? > > Cordially, > > Curtis Chong > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Jonesy Cee via NFBCS > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:58 AM > To: NFBCS at nfbnet.org > Cc: Jonesy Cee > Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving > > Has anyone had luck with using a screen reader such as orca and implementing > a script, plug-in or application to automatically solve captchas using OCR > or Voice recognition? Here is an example of what I am talking about, > although I would really like to find an option that works purely with > optical character recognition (OCR). > > https://github.com/dessant/buster > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/joe%40pcdesk.net From jones.cee7 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 18:46:43 2021 From: jones.cee7 at yahoo.com (Jonesy Cee) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 14:46:43 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving In-Reply-To: <1d139225-c215-5f61-33ad-992ea925ece0@pcdesk.net> References: <1d139225-c215-5f61-33ad-992ea925ece0@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <35ABB201-A5D7-4AA1-8B72-2DDE35D1BC86@yahoo.com> You act like what I am saying is theoretical. saying that it won?t happen is just simply not true. .. Do a search yourself by googling, ?github solve captcha OCR? and you will find many, many different things such as what our first provided in the original email. I wasn?t asking what a captcha is for the purpose, I was asking if anyone has used an automated extension, script or app that solves them such as the one initially provided. > On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger via NFBCS wrote: > > ?Hi Curtis, > I know you already know the answer to your rhetorical question, but I am going to answer it anyway for those who don't understand why using OCR to solve captchas isn't going to happen. > > The entire point of a captcha is to prevent automated systems from interacting with a page. If OCR or any other automated technology could be used to solve the captcha, there would be no point in using one. If a blind person could use OCR to solve it, so could any other automated system incorporating OCR technology. The same thing goes for any other automated solution one might come up with for the solution of captchas. In fact, captchas are specifically designed to be hard to solve by automated means. For example, the ones that require you to enter a code you see on the screen have the code blurred, in funny fonts, or otherwise obscured in a way that makes it hard for automated systems to recognize the characters. Most captchas today do have an audio option that you can use as an alternative to the visual captcha. You might argue that this is harder than just using an automated solution, and you're right, it is. That's the point though; the captcha is designed to explicitly require human interaction in order to proceed. > Joe > >> On 3/29/2021 1:42 PM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS wrote: >> Hello: >> >> If OCR can crack a CAPTCHA, doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of the >> CAPTCHA? >> >> Cordially, >> >> Curtis Chong >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Jonesy Cee via NFBCS >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:58 AM >> To: NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Jonesy Cee >> Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving >> >> Has anyone had luck with using a screen reader such as orca and implementing >> a script, plug-in or application to automatically solve captchas using OCR >> or Voice recognition? Here is an example of what I am talking about, >> although I would really like to find an option that works purely with >> optical character recognition (OCR). >> >> https://github.com/dessant/buster >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/joe%40pcdesk.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jones.cee7%40yahoo.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 29 19:02:35 2021 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 14:02:35 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving In-Reply-To: <1d139225-c215-5f61-33ad-992ea925ece0@pcdesk.net> References: <7C4F51C0-C04C-4D7C-9E46-01B299BB7388.ref@yahoo.com> <7C4F51C0-C04C-4D7C-9E46-01B299BB7388@yahoo.com> <00a701d724c2$d33fad20$79bf0760$@gmail.com> <1d139225-c215-5f61-33ad-992ea925ece0@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <009b01d724ce$149486a0$3dbd93e0$@satx.rr.com> Good afternoon everyone, Some captchas contain a checkbox labeled "I'm not a robot" whichyou must check to authenticate yourself as a human. If all of these types of captchas worked the way they're supposed to this is a very viable means of insuring blind persons can authenticate themselves as human and able to solve the captcha without sighted assistance, third party captcha solvers that don't always work, or paying several hundred dollars for a computer technician to help you set up an account where traditional captchas are in use. Even when the "I'm not a robot" checkbox is in use we've encountered captchas that still want you to enter a code to solve the captcha. This should not happen if one checks the checkbox to authenticate themselves as a human being. If the program or website includes keypress detection this should be the test to be sure it's a human not another machine that's trying to gain access to the resource in question. Peter Donahue -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Joseph C. Lininger via NFBCS Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:25 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Joseph C. Lininger ; Curtis Chong Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving Hi Curtis, I know you already know the answer to your rhetorical question, but I am going to answer it anyway for those who don't understand why using OCR to solve captchas isn't going to happen. The entire point of a captcha is to prevent automated systems from interacting with a page. If OCR or any other automated technology could be used to solve the captcha, there would be no point in using one. If a blind person could use OCR to solve it, so could any other automated system incorporating OCR technology. The same thing goes for any other automated solution one might come up with for the solution of captchas. In fact, captchas are specifically designed to be hard to solve by automated means. For example, the ones that require you to enter a code you see on the screen have the code blurred, in funny fonts, or otherwise obscured in a way that makes it hard for automated systems to recognize the characters. Most captchas today do have an audio option that you can use as an alternative to the visual captcha. You might argue that this is harder than just using an automated solution, and you're right, it is. That's the point though; the captcha is designed to explicitly require human interaction in order to proceed. Joe On 3/29/2021 1:42 PM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS wrote: > Hello: > > If OCR can crack a CAPTCHA, doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of > the CAPTCHA? > > Cordially, > > Curtis Chong > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Jonesy Cee via > NFBCS > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:58 AM > To: NFBCS at nfbnet.org > Cc: Jonesy Cee > Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving > > Has anyone had luck with using a screen reader such as orca and > implementing a script, plug-in or application to automatically solve > captchas using OCR or Voice recognition? Here is an example of what I > am talking about, although I would really like to find an option that > works purely with optical character recognition (OCR). > > https://github.com/dessant/buster > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/joe%40pcdesk.net _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From jones.cee7 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 19:20:17 2021 From: jones.cee7 at yahoo.com (Jonesy Cee) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 15:20:17 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving In-Reply-To: <009b01d724ce$149486a0$3dbd93e0$@satx.rr.com> References: <009b01d724ce$149486a0$3dbd93e0$@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <7F85A499-401E-4DD2-8E0B-E569753B7307@yahoo.com> Not all captcha are Google either. Some just flat don?t have an audio or accessibility option. This is another reason I am looking for a script or plug-in to automate it with OCR. These applications, scripts and services definitely exist. Just not sure as to the accessibility of them. > On Mar 29, 2021, at 3:09 PM, Peter via NFBCS wrote: > > ?Good afternoon everyone, > > Some captchas contain a checkbox labeled "I'm not a robot" whichyou > must check to authenticate yourself as a human. If all of these types of > captchas worked the way they're supposed to this is a very viable means of > insuring blind persons can authenticate themselves as human and able to > solve the captcha without sighted assistance, third party captcha solvers > that don't always work, or paying several hundred dollars for a computer > technician to help you set up an account where traditional captchas are in > use. Even when the "I'm not a robot" checkbox is in use we've encountered > captchas that still want you to enter a code to solve the captcha. This > should not happen if one checks the checkbox to authenticate themselves as a > human being. If the program or website includes keypress detection this > should be the test to be sure it's a human not another machine that's trying > to gain access to the resource in question. > > Peter Donahue > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Joseph C. Lininger via > NFBCS > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:25 PM > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List > Cc: Joseph C. Lininger ; Curtis Chong > > Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving > > Hi Curtis, > I know you already know the answer to your rhetorical question, but I am > going to answer it anyway for those who don't understand why using OCR to > solve captchas isn't going to happen. > > The entire point of a captcha is to prevent automated systems from > interacting with a page. If OCR or any other automated technology could be > used to solve the captcha, there would be no point in using one. If a blind > person could use OCR to solve it, so could any other automated system > incorporating OCR technology. The same thing goes for any other automated > solution one might come up with for the solution of captchas. > In fact, captchas are specifically designed to be hard to solve by automated > means. For example, the ones that require you to enter a code you see on the > screen have the code blurred, in funny fonts, or otherwise obscured in a way > that makes it hard for automated systems to recognize the characters. Most > captchas today do have an audio option that you can use as an alternative to > the visual captcha. You might argue that this is harder than just using an > automated solution, and you're right, it is. That's the point though; the > captcha is designed to explicitly require human interaction in order to > proceed. > Joe > >> On 3/29/2021 1:42 PM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS wrote: >> Hello: >> >> If OCR can crack a CAPTCHA, doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of >> the CAPTCHA? >> >> Cordially, >> >> Curtis Chong >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Jonesy Cee via >> NFBCS >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:58 AM >> To: NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Jonesy Cee >> Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving >> >> Has anyone had luck with using a screen reader such as orca and >> implementing a script, plug-in or application to automatically solve >> captchas using OCR or Voice recognition? Here is an example of what I >> am talking about, although I would really like to find an option that >> works purely with optical character recognition (OCR). >> >> https://github.com/dessant/buster >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/joe%40pcdesk.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jones.cee7%40yahoo.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 29 19:44:00 2021 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 14:44:00 -0500 Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving In-Reply-To: <35ABB201-A5D7-4AA1-8B72-2DDE35D1BC86@yahoo.com> References: <1d139225-c215-5f61-33ad-992ea925ece0@pcdesk.net> <35ABB201-A5D7-4AA1-8B72-2DDE35D1BC86@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <022e01d724d3$ddab9d30$9902d790$@satx.rr.com> Good afternoon again everyone, Or the resource employs an authenticator that requires no action from the user. They can verify that you're a human without the need for any interaction. I believe that ReCaptcha works this way. I know of one Website that uses such a system without requiring any interaction from site users. Perhaps we should advocate for the use of such systems to become the gold standard on all resources requiring authentication to insure that the resource is protected from unauthorized users and spammers and insures that those who use assistive technology can do so independently. Peter Donahue -----Original Message----- From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Jonesy Cee via NFBCS Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:47 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List Cc: Jonesy Cee ; Curtis Chong Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving You act like what I am saying is theoretical. saying that it won?t happen is just simply not true. .. Do a search yourself by googling, ?github solve captcha OCR? and you will find many, many different things such as what our first provided in the original email. I wasn?t asking what a captcha is for the purpose, I was asking if anyone has used an automated extension, script or app that solves them such as the one initially provided. > On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger via NFBCS wrote: > > ?Hi Curtis, > I know you already know the answer to your rhetorical question, but I am going to answer it anyway for those who don't understand why using OCR to solve captchas isn't going to happen. > > The entire point of a captcha is to prevent automated systems from interacting with a page. If OCR or any other automated technology could be used to solve the captcha, there would be no point in using one. If a blind person could use OCR to solve it, so could any other automated system incorporating OCR technology. The same thing goes for any other automated solution one might come up with for the solution of captchas. In fact, captchas are specifically designed to be hard to solve by automated means. For example, the ones that require you to enter a code you see on the screen have the code blurred, in funny fonts, or otherwise obscured in a way that makes it hard for automated systems to recognize the characters. Most captchas today do have an audio option that you can use as an alternative to the visual captcha. You might argue that this is harder than just using an automated solution, and you're right, it is. That's the point though; the captcha is designed to explicitly require human interaction in order to proceed. > Joe > >> On 3/29/2021 1:42 PM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS wrote: >> Hello: >> >> If OCR can crack a CAPTCHA, doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose >> of the CAPTCHA? >> >> Cordially, >> >> Curtis Chong >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Jonesy Cee via >> NFBCS >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:58 AM >> To: NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Jonesy Cee >> Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving >> >> Has anyone had luck with using a screen reader such as orca and >> implementing a script, plug-in or application to automatically solve >> captchas using OCR or Voice recognition? Here is an example of what I >> am talking about, although I would really like to find an option that >> works purely with optical character recognition (OCR). >> >> https://github.com/dessant/buster >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/joe%40pcdesk.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jones.cee7%40yahoo. > com _______________________________________________ NFBCS mailing list NFBCS at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From joe at pcdesk.net Mon Mar 29 23:00:53 2021 From: joe at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:00:53 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving In-Reply-To: <35ABB201-A5D7-4AA1-8B72-2DDE35D1BC86@yahoo.com> References: <1d139225-c215-5f61-33ad-992ea925ece0@pcdesk.net> <35ABB201-A5D7-4AA1-8B72-2DDE35D1BC86@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <984d7687-ed70-af58-1c5e-4b24834a12e6@pcdesk.net> You're right, I misspoke. Given that I work in an area of the CS field that does some of this kind of thing, it was kind of a major instance of misspeaking too, and I should have been more careful. My apologies. When I said "isn't going to happen", what I really meant is that the industry isn't going to keep using a solution that can be solved using OCR or other automation techniques. That has historically been a hard problem, so it hasn't really been a major issue. You are correct in pointing out that this is not necessarily the case now though, which probably means they'll be changing the technology again. We're already seeing signs of that happening. The changes could be something as simple as doing something to the text to make it harder to recognize, or it could be something as major as redesigning how the system works in its entirety. A somewhat recent innovation is to have the "I'm not a robot" checkbox, but not present a captcha if the system determines the entity on the other end is most likely human. Delays between key presses, browsing history, etc. Not sure of *all* of the factors. That system will present a captcha if it isn't pretty sure the entity is human though, so accessibility of the captcha is still important. Joe On 3/29/2021 2:46 PM, Jonesy Cee wrote: > You act like what I am saying is theoretical. saying that it won?t happen is just simply not true. .. > > Do a search yourself by googling, ?github solve captcha OCR? and you will find many, many different things such as what our first provided in the original email. I wasn?t asking what a captcha is for the purpose, I was asking if anyone has used an automated extension, script or app that solves them such as the one initially provided. > >> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger via NFBCS wrote: >> >> ?Hi Curtis, >> I know you already know the answer to your rhetorical question, but I am going to answer it anyway for those who don't understand why using OCR to solve captchas isn't going to happen. >> >> The entire point of a captcha is to prevent automated systems from interacting with a page. If OCR or any other automated technology could be used to solve the captcha, there would be no point in using one. If a blind person could use OCR to solve it, so could any other automated system incorporating OCR technology. The same thing goes for any other automated solution one might come up with for the solution of captchas. In fact, captchas are specifically designed to be hard to solve by automated means. For example, the ones that require you to enter a code you see on the screen have the code blurred, in funny fonts, or otherwise obscured in a way that makes it hard for automated systems to recognize the characters. Most captchas today do have an audio option that you can use as an alternative to the visual captcha. You might argue that this is harder than just using an automated solution, and you're right, it is. That's the point though; the captcha is designed to explicitly require human interaction in order to proceed. >> Joe >> >>> On 3/29/2021 1:42 PM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS wrote: >>> Hello: >>> >>> If OCR can crack a CAPTCHA, doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of the >>> CAPTCHA? >>> >>> Cordially, >>> >>> Curtis Chong >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Jonesy Cee via NFBCS >>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:58 AM >>> To: NFBCS at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: Jonesy Cee >>> Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving >>> >>> Has anyone had luck with using a screen reader such as orca and implementing >>> a script, plug-in or application to automatically solve captchas using OCR >>> or Voice recognition? Here is an example of what I am talking about, >>> although I would really like to find an option that works purely with >>> optical character recognition (OCR). >>> >>> https://github.com/dessant/buster >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NFBCS mailing list >>> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NFBCS mailing list >>> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/joe%40pcdesk.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jones.cee7%40yahoo.com From stanley7709 at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 01:16:06 2021 From: stanley7709 at gmail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 21:16:06 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Google Calendar Message-ID: <015901d72502$42a54a50$c7efdef0$@gmail.com> Hi All, I hope I can explain this correctly, LOL. I am the content manager for www.nfbofsc.org and I have created a Google Calendar. I would like to add the Google Calendar to NFB of SC.org website and when I add a new appointment to the calendar, it will show up on the website. How do I go about making this happen? Thanks in advance! Steve From jones.cee7 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 02:54:54 2021 From: jones.cee7 at yahoo.com (Jonesy Cee) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 22:54:54 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving In-Reply-To: <984d7687-ed70-af58-1c5e-4b24834a12e6@pcdesk.net> References: <984d7687-ed70-af58-1c5e-4b24834a12e6@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: Captcha is a security measure. You are completely right but a solution such as what I am alluding to wouldn?t be permanent. However, Security is a cat and mouse game. Google or whomever implementing captcha and spammers or those wanting to be lazy like myself find ways to avoid the measures. Google implement captcha, OCR solves it. Captcha implement sound as well as characters, voice recognition like the link I provided can bypass it. It is a never ending game where one side reacts to the other. I am not wanting one of these add-ons, scripts, services, etc. for spamming. I am just wanting to be able to have captcha automatically solved for speed, a little bit of laziness and also because not all captchas are accessible. I plan to try out something similar to the link I provided in the original email if nobody on the list has any other recommendations or has used something similar. > On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:32 PM, Joseph C. Lininger via NFBCS wrote: > > ?You're right, I misspoke. Given that I work in an area of the CS field that does some of this kind of thing, it was kind of a major instance of misspeaking too, and I should have been more careful. My apologies. > > When I said "isn't going to happen", what I really meant is that the industry isn't going to keep using a solution that can be solved using OCR or other automation techniques. That has historically been a hard problem, so it hasn't really been a major issue. You are correct in pointing out that this is not necessarily the case now though, which probably means they'll be changing the technology again. We're already seeing signs of that happening. The changes could be something as simple as doing something to the text to make it harder to recognize, or it could be something as major as redesigning how the system works in its entirety. > > A somewhat recent innovation is to have the "I'm not a robot" checkbox, but not present a captcha if the system determines the entity on the other end is most likely human. Delays between key presses, browsing history, etc. Not sure of *all* of the factors. That system will present a captcha if it isn't pretty sure the entity is human though, so accessibility of the captcha is still important. > Joe > >> On 3/29/2021 2:46 PM, Jonesy Cee wrote: >> You act like what I am saying is theoretical. saying that it won?t happen is just simply not true. .. >> >> Do a search yourself by googling, ?github solve captcha OCR? and you will find many, many different things such as what our first provided in the original email. I wasn?t asking what a captcha is for the purpose, I was asking if anyone has used an automated extension, script or app that solves them such as the one initially provided. >> >>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger via NFBCS wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi Curtis, >>> I know you already know the answer to your rhetorical question, but I am going to answer it anyway for those who don't understand why using OCR to solve captchas isn't going to happen. >>> >>> The entire point of a captcha is to prevent automated systems from interacting with a page. If OCR or any other automated technology could be used to solve the captcha, there would be no point in using one. If a blind person could use OCR to solve it, so could any other automated system incorporating OCR technology. The same thing goes for any other automated solution one might come up with for the solution of captchas. In fact, captchas are specifically designed to be hard to solve by automated means. For example, the ones that require you to enter a code you see on the screen have the code blurred, in funny fonts, or otherwise obscured in a way that makes it hard for automated systems to recognize the characters. Most captchas today do have an audio option that you can use as an alternative to the visual captcha. You might argue that this is harder than just using an automated solution, and you're right, it is. That's the point though; the captcha is designed to explicitly require human interaction in order to proceed. >>> Joe >>> >>>> On 3/29/2021 1:42 PM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS wrote: >>>> Hello: >>>> >>>> If OCR can crack a CAPTCHA, doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of the >>>> CAPTCHA? >>>> >>>> Cordially, >>>> >>>> Curtis Chong >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NFBCS On Behalf Of Jonesy Cee via NFBCS >>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:58 AM >>>> To: NFBCS at nfbnet.org >>>> Cc: Jonesy Cee >>>> Subject: [NFBCS] Automatic Captcha solving >>>> >>>> Has anyone had luck with using a screen reader such as orca and implementing >>>> a script, plug-in or application to automatically solve captchas using OCR >>>> or Voice recognition? Here is an example of what I am talking about, >>>> although I would really like to find an option that works purely with >>>> optical character recognition (OCR). >>>> >>>> https://github.com/dessant/buster >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NFBCS mailing list >>>> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NFBCS mailing list >>>> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/joe%40pcdesk.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NFBCS mailing list >>> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jones.cee7%40yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/reeceobryan%40icloud.com From jones.cee7 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 04:48:12 2021 From: jones.cee7 at yahoo.com (Jonesy Cee) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 00:48:12 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] How to install and use this? - Linux References: <7D21B425-650E-4C60-8AEC-22A96668C81E.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7D21B425-650E-4C60-8AEC-22A96668C81E@yahoo.com> I am wanting to install the following on my raspberry pies that are mining crypto to prevent possibility that someone could steal my wallet. https://github.com/NateBrune/silk-guardian The instructions say the following, To run: make sudo insmod silk.ko You will need to have the linux-headerspackage installed. If you haven't: sudo apt-get install linux-headers ? from what I understand, I need to use the command to install the headers, cd to where I downloaded it in terminal, type ?make? and then just ? sudo insmod silk.ko?. There really isn?t any other instructions besides that? How is it that I actually turn it on or off or use the other features that it talks about? I appreciate any help that anyone can give! ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.? ~ Helen Keller From dwillemv at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 12:49:16 2021 From: dwillemv at gmail.com (Willem Venter) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:49:16 +0200 Subject: [NFBCS] How to install and use this? - Linux In-Reply-To: <7D21B425-650E-4C60-8AEC-22A96668C81E@yahoo.com> References: <7D21B425-650E-4C60-8AEC-22A96668C81E.ref@yahoo.com> <7D21B425-650E-4C60-8AEC-22A96668C81E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi. It seems like it is built as a kernel module. Modules are basically arbitrary binary blobs that conform to the kernel's module interface. Loaded modules can register interrupts that trigger when specific things happen, e.g. hardware state changes. From there it can run any custom code it wants to. A lot of functionality is made posseble by using the kernel API (exposed to the program through the kernel headers). HTH - Willem Venter On 3/30/21, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: > I am wanting to install the following on my raspberry pies that are mining > crypto to prevent possibility that someone could steal my wallet. > > https://github.com/NateBrune/silk-guardian > > The instructions say the following, > > To run: > > make > sudo insmod silk.ko > You will need to have the linux-headerspackage installed. If you haven't: > > sudo apt-get install linux-headers > > > > ? from what I understand, I need to use the command to install the headers, > cd to where I downloaded it in terminal, type ?make? and then just ? sudo > insmod silk.ko?. There really isn?t any other instructions besides that? How > is it that I actually turn it on or off or use the other features that it > talks about? > > I appreciate any help that anyone can give! > > ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the > eye.? > ~ Helen Keller > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/dwillemv%40gmail.com > From jones.cee7 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 16:55:38 2021 From: jones.cee7 at yahoo.com (Jonesy Cee) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 12:55:38 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] How to install and use this? - Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3564D55D-D94B-4416-BE78-CA1A8DD95F40@yahoo.com> Do you interact with Colonel modules the same way that you can an executable file in terminal? I can follow the installation instructions, but says nothing about usage. ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.? ~ Helen Keller > On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Willem Venter via NFBCS wrote: > > ?Hi. It seems like it is built as a kernel module. > Modules are basically arbitrary binary blobs that conform to the > kernel's module interface. Loaded modules can register interrupts that > trigger when specific things happen, e.g. hardware state changes. From > there it can run any custom code it wants to. A lot of functionality > is made posseble by using the kernel API (exposed to the program > through the kernel headers). > > HTH > - Willem Venter > >> On 3/30/21, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: >> I am wanting to install the following on my raspberry pies that are mining >> crypto to prevent possibility that someone could steal my wallet. >> >> https://github.com/NateBrune/silk-guardian >> >> The instructions say the following, >> >> To run: >> >> make >> sudo insmod silk.ko >> You will need to have the linux-headerspackage installed. If you haven't: >> >> sudo apt-get install linux-headers >> >> >> >> ? from what I understand, I need to use the command to install the headers, >> cd to where I downloaded it in terminal, type ?make? and then just ? sudo >> insmod silk.ko?. There really isn?t any other instructions besides that? How >> is it that I actually turn it on or off or use the other features that it >> talks about? >> >> I appreciate any help that anyone can give! >> >> ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the >> eye.? >> ~ Helen Keller >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/dwillemv%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/reeceobryan%40icloud.com From jbar at barcore.com Tue Mar 30 17:30:59 2021 From: jbar at barcore.com (Jim Barbour) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 10:30:59 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] How to install and use this? - Linux In-Reply-To: <7D21B425-650E-4C60-8AEC-22A96668C81E@yahoo.com> References: <7D21B425-650E-4C60-8AEC-22A96668C81E.ref@yahoo.com> <7D21B425-650E-4C60-8AEC-22A96668C81E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: You don't really do anything once it's insmod'd The way I read the documentation, you connect the USB devices you need, then insmod this module. If someone adds or removes USB devices, your system is quickly shutdown, after wiping some sensitive data. Does that get you going? Jim On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:48:12AM -0400, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: > I am wanting to install the following on my raspberry pies that are mining crypto to prevent possibility that someone could steal my wallet. > > https://github.com/NateBrune/silk-guardian > > The instructions say the following, > > To run: > > make > sudo insmod silk.ko > You will need to have the linux-headerspackage installed. If you haven't: > > sudo apt-get install linux-headers > > > > ? from what I understand, I need to use the command to install the headers, cd to where I downloaded it in terminal, type ?make? and then just ? sudo insmod silk.ko?. There really isn?t any other instructions besides that? How is it that I actually turn it on or off or use the other features that it talks about? > > I appreciate any help that anyone can give! > > ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.? > ~ Helen Keller > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jbar%40barcore.com > From jbar at barcore.com Tue Mar 30 20:40:58 2021 From: jbar at barcore.com (Jim Barbour) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:40:58 -0700 Subject: [NFBCS] How to install and use this? - Linux In-Reply-To: <3564D55D-D94B-4416-BE78-CA1A8DD95F40@yahoo.com> References: <3564D55D-D94B-4416-BE78-CA1A8DD95F40@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mostly, you can install/run or remove/stop kernel modules. Sometimes they will have configuration files to read. In this case, it looks like they expect you to edit the source code and then recompile to configure it. Jim On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:55:38PM -0400, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: > Do you interact with Colonel modules the same way that you can an executable file in terminal? > > I can follow the installation instructions, but says nothing about usage. > > > ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.? > ~ Helen Keller > > > On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Willem Venter via NFBCS wrote: > > > > ?Hi. It seems like it is built as a kernel module. > > Modules are basically arbitrary binary blobs that conform to the > > kernel's module interface. Loaded modules can register interrupts that > > trigger when specific things happen, e.g. hardware state changes. From > > there it can run any custom code it wants to. A lot of functionality > > is made posseble by using the kernel API (exposed to the program > > through the kernel headers). > > > > HTH > > - Willem Venter > > > >> On 3/30/21, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: > >> I am wanting to install the following on my raspberry pies that are mining > >> crypto to prevent possibility that someone could steal my wallet. > >> > >> https://github.com/NateBrune/silk-guardian > >> > >> The instructions say the following, > >> > >> To run: > >> > >> make > >> sudo insmod silk.ko > >> You will need to have the linux-headerspackage installed. If you haven't: > >> > >> sudo apt-get install linux-headers > >> > >> > >> > >> ? from what I understand, I need to use the command to install the headers, > >> cd to where I downloaded it in terminal, type ?make? and then just ? sudo > >> insmod silk.ko?. There really isn?t any other instructions besides that? How > >> is it that I actually turn it on or off or use the other features that it > >> talks about? > >> > >> I appreciate any help that anyone can give! > >> > >> ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the > >> eye.? > >> ~ Helen Keller > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NFBCS mailing list > >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/dwillemv%40gmail.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NFBCS mailing list > > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/reeceobryan%40icloud.com > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jbar%40barcore.com > From jones.cee7 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 21:15:41 2021 From: jones.cee7 at yahoo.com (Jonesy Cee) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:15:41 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] How to install and use this? - Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That wiki helps so much. Thank you! Just have two more simple questions from reading that to confirm I have this right. Kernel module The Silk Guardian kernel module can be loaded manually by the modprobe command: modprobe silk To manually remove the Silk Guardian kernel module: modprobe -r silk So I can set a bash alias for the first command to turn the module on and the second command to turn it off if for example I need to plug in or unplug a USB device? This seems easier then having to whitelist all of my devices. The Silk Guardian kernel module can also be loaded automatically at boot: FILE /etc/modules-load.d/silk-guardian.conf silk So it is saying to run these two commands and it will automatically start the module at boot? I am unfamiliar with using the file command like above to do this. ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.? ~ Helen Keller > On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:41 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: > > ?Mostly, you can install/run or remove/stop kernel modules. Sometimes they will have configuration files to read. In this case, it looks like they expect you to edit the source code and then recompile to configure it. > > Jim > >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:55:38PM -0400, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: >> Do you interact with Colonel modules the same way that you can an executable file in terminal? >> >> I can follow the installation instructions, but says nothing about usage. >> >> >> ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.? >> ~ Helen Keller >> >>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Willem Venter via NFBCS wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi. It seems like it is built as a kernel module. >>> Modules are basically arbitrary binary blobs that conform to the >>> kernel's module interface. Loaded modules can register interrupts that >>> trigger when specific things happen, e.g. hardware state changes. From >>> there it can run any custom code it wants to. A lot of functionality >>> is made posseble by using the kernel API (exposed to the program >>> through the kernel headers). >>> >>> HTH >>> - Willem Venter >>> >>>> On 3/30/21, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: >>>> I am wanting to install the following on my raspberry pies that are mining >>>> crypto to prevent possibility that someone could steal my wallet. >>>> >>>> https://github.com/NateBrune/silk-guardian >>>> >>>> The instructions say the following, >>>> >>>> To run: >>>> >>>> make >>>> sudo insmod silk.ko >>>> You will need to have the linux-headerspackage installed. If you haven't: >>>> >>>> sudo apt-get install linux-headers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? from what I understand, I need to use the command to install the headers, >>>> cd to where I downloaded it in terminal, type ?make? and then just ? sudo >>>> insmod silk.ko?. There really isn?t any other instructions besides that? How >>>> is it that I actually turn it on or off or use the other features that it >>>> talks about? >>>> >>>> I appreciate any help that anyone can give! >>>> >>>> ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the >>>> eye.? >>>> ~ Helen Keller >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NFBCS mailing list >>>> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/dwillemv%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NFBCS mailing list >>> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/reeceobryan%40icloud.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jbar%40barcore.com >> From tyler at tysdomain.com Tue Mar 30 22:35:33 2021 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:35:33 -0400 Subject: [NFBCS] How to install and use this? - Linux In-Reply-To: <3564D55D-D94B-4416-BE78-CA1A8DD95F40@yahoo.com> References: <3564D55D-D94B-4416-BE78-CA1A8DD95F40@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60765244-8515-8d73-a519-5a43fef5b139@tysdomain.com> I realize I'm not contributing to the answer here, but generally crypto mining with anything less than higher end graphics cards will not pay off, and that's even not a certainty at this point. It's likely your pies will consume (and cost you) more power than you'll actually earn in cryptocurrency mining. Not sure if that's something you've considered. Good luck, On 3/30/2021 12:55 PM, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: > Do you interact with Colonel modules the same way that you can an executable file in terminal? > > I can follow the installation instructions, but says nothing about usage. > > > ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.? > ~ Helen Keller > >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Willem Venter via NFBCS wrote: >> >> ?Hi. It seems like it is built as a kernel module. >> Modules are basically arbitrary binary blobs that conform to the >> kernel's module interface. Loaded modules can register interrupts that >> trigger when specific things happen, e.g. hardware state changes. From >> there it can run any custom code it wants to. A lot of functionality >> is made posseble by using the kernel API (exposed to the program >> through the kernel headers). >> >> HTH >> - Willem Venter >> >>> On 3/30/21, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: >>> I am wanting to install the following on my raspberry pies that are mining >>> crypto to prevent possibility that someone could steal my wallet. >>> >>> https://github.com/NateBrune/silk-guardian >>> >>> The instructions say the following, >>> >>> To run: >>> >>> make >>> sudo insmod silk.ko >>> You will need to have the linux-headerspackage installed. If you haven't: >>> >>> sudo apt-get install linux-headers >>> >>> >>> >>> ? from what I understand, I need to use the command to install the headers, >>> cd to where I downloaded it in terminal, type ?make? and then just ? sudo >>> insmod silk.ko?. There really isn?t any other instructions besides that? How >>> is it that I actually turn it on or off or use the other features that it >>> talks about? >>> >>> I appreciate any help that anyone can give! >>> >>> ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the >>> eye.? >>> ~ Helen Keller >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NFBCS mailing list >>> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/dwillemv%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NFBCS mailing list >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/reeceobryan%40icloud.com > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take Care, Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) Tyler Littlefield Consulting: website development and business solutions. My personal site My Linkedin @Sorressean on Twitter From rynkruger at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 21:56:40 2021 From: rynkruger at gmail.com (Rynhardt Kruger) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 23:56:40 +0200 Subject: [NFBCS] How to install and use this? - Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Those two lines are shorthand for saying: Create a file called "/etc/modules-load.d/silk-guardian.conf", and place in it the text "silk". Basically at startup the system reads all files in /etc/modules-load.d, and for each line in every file it tries to load a module by that name. Regards, Rynhardt On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 9:12 AM Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: > > That wiki helps so much. Thank you! Just have two more simple questions from reading that to confirm I have this right. > > Kernel module > The Silk Guardian kernel module can be loaded manually by the modprobe command: modprobe silk > > To manually remove the Silk Guardian kernel module: modprobe -r silk > > > > So I can set a bash alias for the first command to turn the module on and the second command to turn it off if for example I need to plug in or unplug a USB device? This seems easier then having to whitelist all of my devices. > > > > The Silk Guardian kernel module can also be loaded automatically at boot: > > FILE /etc/modules-load.d/silk-guardian.conf > silk > So it is saying to run these two commands and it will automatically start the module at boot? I am unfamiliar with using the file command like above to do this. > > > > > > ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.? > ~ Helen Keller > > > On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:41 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: > > > > ?Mostly, you can install/run or remove/stop kernel modules. Sometimes they will have configuration files to read. In this case, it looks like they expect you to edit the source code and then recompile to configure it. > > > > Jim > > > >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:55:38PM -0400, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: > >> Do you interact with Colonel modules the same way that you can an executable file in terminal? > >> > >> I can follow the installation instructions, but says nothing about usage. > >> > >> > >> ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.? > >> ~ Helen Keller > >> > >>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Willem Venter via NFBCS wrote: > >>> > >>> ?Hi. It seems like it is built as a kernel module. > >>> Modules are basically arbitrary binary blobs that conform to the > >>> kernel's module interface. Loaded modules can register interrupts that > >>> trigger when specific things happen, e.g. hardware state changes. From > >>> there it can run any custom code it wants to. A lot of functionality > >>> is made posseble by using the kernel API (exposed to the program > >>> through the kernel headers). > >>> > >>> HTH > >>> - Willem Venter > >>> > >>>> On 3/30/21, Jonesy Cee via NFBCS wrote: > >>>> I am wanting to install the following on my raspberry pies that are mining > >>>> crypto to prevent possibility that someone could steal my wallet. > >>>> > >>>> https://github.com/NateBrune/silk-guardian > >>>> > >>>> The instructions say the following, > >>>> > >>>> To run: > >>>> > >>>> make > >>>> sudo insmod silk.ko > >>>> You will need to have the linux-headerspackage installed. If you haven't: > >>>> > >>>> sudo apt-get install linux-headers > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ? from what I understand, I need to use the command to install the headers, > >>>> cd to where I downloaded it in terminal, type ?make? and then just ? sudo > >>>> insmod silk.ko?. There really isn?t any other instructions besides that? How > >>>> is it that I actually turn it on or off or use the other features that it > >>>> talks about? > >>>> > >>>> I appreciate any help that anyone can give! > >>>> > >>>> ? Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the > >>>> eye.? > >>>> ~ Helen Keller > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> NFBCS mailing list > >>>> NFBCS at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/dwillemv%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NFBCS mailing list > >>> NFBCS at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/reeceobryan%40icloud.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NFBCS mailing list > >> NFBCS at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jbar%40barcore.com > >> > _______________________________________________ > NFBCS mailing list > NFBCS at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/rynkruger%40gmail.com