[NFBCS] Feedback Request

Sat Sep 3 03:10:38 UTC 2022

I know that you very clearly really reeally want this exploratory 
mission to convince us all, but this is not how market research is done. 
You've heard from multiple professionals that this has not been the 
solution to any level of success.

Equating learning how to use a hosting solution with getting a guide dog 
or a cane is quite the stretch. You could equate learning proper screen 
reader use and solutions to solving accessibility problems to those 
individually, because they perform the same task: higher proficiency 
with assistive technology means higher proficiency at solving problems. 
If you know your technology, you can likely solve issues with your 
hosting solutions. If you know your mobility, you can likely find your 
way to destinations you need to go to. The second issue with this 
argument is that it means someone must determine where the imposed line is.

Either way, it seems we're going in circles and you are determined this 
platform should exist. I encourage you to create it and see where you 
go, if you believe as firmly as it seems, despite recommendations from 
those of us in the field. We're not going to change each other's mind, 
and the only way to resolve this issue is through experience and results 
either way.

On 9/2/2022 7:47 PM, Peter via NFBCS wrote:
> Hello Lewis and everyone,
>
> 	WWhat we're proposing is a situation similar to using a white cane
> or a guide dog. Agencies that teach the use of canes and dogs ground a blind
> person in basic travel techniques. They learn the proper use of each and are
> introduced to a few rudimentary travel situations. Beyond that it's up to
> the individual to apply that knowledge to help them navigate a wide variety
> of travel situations. If they're not sure how to manage a particular travel
> situation they draw upon whatever resources they can find to help them
> figure things out.
>
> 	Likewise designing tutorials for the use of various IDES, and other
> Internet hosting solutions would ground someone in the basics. Beyond that
> it's their responsibility to find whatever resources they can utilize to
> become proficient in the use of programming and Web languages and hosting
> solutions. No one wants to relieve anyone of being resourceful and doing
> research to master these skills at an advanced level.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lewis Wood via NFBCS
> Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 4:51 PM
> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lewis Wood <lewislwood at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Feedback Request
>
> The most important item I would say is the IDE the blind person will be
> using/ techniques.
> However, since IDE's have been evolving in accessibility so quickly: Be
> prepared to be outdated quickly.
>
> Core language resources are numerous and many are partially accessible at
> least, some completely.
>
>
>
> Lewis Wood
> lewislwood at gmail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler via
> NFBCS
> Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 2:11 PM
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Littlefield, Tyler <tyler at tysdomain.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Feedback Request
>
> For seeking feedback you sure are pushing this concept. Can you point to
> something programming related you tried to learn that you needed a whole
> platform around how to do things for blind people for? For that matter,
> commtech USA already does what you're looking for in some sense, and most of
> us with professional experience are willing and happy to help in areas we
> know about when people ask questions.
>
>
> On 9/2/2022 1:45 PM, Peter via NFBCS wrote:
>> Hello Tracy and everyone,
>>
>> And those books from services like bookshare.org or something posted
>> online written by John and Jane Q sighted person don't include the
>> kind of information that would enable blind developers to use these
>> apps and resources more efficiently. Talk of an NFBCS Website has also
> occurred here.
>> We have yet to see this division launch its own Website. All the best.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via
>> NFBCS
>> Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 7:06 AM
>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Feedback Request
>>
>> Sometime not so very long ago, we had a discussion of how to make it
>> easier for blind people to find accessibility tips shared on this
>> list.  At the time, and perhaps still, it was not easy to search the
>> list archives, if non-listers even know they exist, and it's been a
>> long time since I've seen something from an NFB list turn up in a
>> Google
> search.
>> I agree with Tyler that there are lots of free resources that work
>> fine for blind people, and, like Robert, I use Bookshare to hunt up
>> more detailed resources when I need them.  But it would be good if it
>> was easier to find info blind people have worked out to make some
>> things
> easier.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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