[NFBCS] Mastodon accessibility problems

Mon Jun 5 00:56:09 UTC 2023

Since any social media platform can only do so much to control the contents of their contributors, I doubt you'll find any social media platform that will guarantee all of their posted content will be accessible. I've found Mastodon members though are very proactive in ensuring things like all images have alternative text to describe their posted images.

The NFB may be setting up a Mastodon server to serve up content that'll be picked up by other servers and users without letting members sign up for their own accounts. People wanting to follow this content would need to get an account on another server.

Choosing not to educate the public on accessibility issues is definitely your right.

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Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-----Original Message-----
From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sabra Ewing via NFBCS
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 7:01 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Mastodon accessibility problems

I want to be on a server that doesn't allow any inaccessible content. I know that I will still talk to other inaccessible servers. Wired L links to this wizard that is supposed to help you pick a server but guess what. That wizard is not accessible because when you try to check any of the boxes they won't check.

I guess it will be interesting to read that article in July because if the Nfb is not going to have a server, that means they will have to join a server I think.

No, I'm not going to educate whoever owns the social server. Some other blind person can waste their time doing that if they want, but I'm already warning you that they have considered accessibility and don't care because they specifically mention the accessibility cookie in their instructions and don't care to remove the difficult barrier of entry or even have an audio option.

Instead, I will forget about them, and join a server that is more welcoming and inclusive but I just don't know what that is yet. Also one that is not socially confusing and maybe even one where people would be on there who live near me so I could meet them in person.

Sabra Ewing

> On Jun 4, 2023, at 5:37 PM, Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A few comments art respectability politics ish. what servers did you all join then and what did you do? I don't want to get used to a client only to have accessibility get broken. Leaving Facebook sounds great if there were a better alternative.
>
> Sabra Ewing
>
>> On Jun 4, 2023, at 4:06 PM, Mike Gorse via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Last I saw, the NFB isn't planning to set up a server for members to use, although it sounded like they would consider doing so if enough people are interested. Also, as an update on what I posted last night, I am able to set an accessibility cookie on the hcaptcha site that mastodon.social is using and bypass their captcha if I use Edge, but not when I use Firefox. Now I've tried on both Linux and Windows, so I'm guessing it isn't specific to my system. I've emailed their support.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>>>> On Sun, 4 Jun 2023, Christopher Chaltain via NFBCS wrote:
>>>
>>> Since Mastodon supports an open programming interface, there are a lot of Mastodon clients in the App Store, Play Store, and so on Some of those are accessible and some are not. Just as whenever you have multiple clients in the App Store that do the same thing, you'll find some of the more efficient to use than others. I can't recall all of the Mastodon clients I've tried, but I know I settled on Tusker as the client that I prefer, and as I said, I find this client more efficient for me than using either the Twitter client of the Facebook client. I'm kind of taking a holiday from social media at the moment, but before I went on this holiday, I was more active in Mastodon than any other social networking platform just because I found it so much more efficient.
>>>
>>> I can't follow the rest of your post, but if you don't bring this to the attention of a site administrator then they may never know there's an issue to address. I didn't have any trouble signing up on a Mastodon server myself. Also, no one is forcing anyone to use Mastodon, so if you have problems with the platform or a particular server then you don't need to sign up. You might just wait until the NFB sets up a server. Like I said, I'm sure it'll be accessible.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 1:43 PM
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at outlook.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Mastodon accessibility problems
>>>
>>> What do you mean the right client? Also, I'm not sure I'm interested in speaking to an administrator who puts other protected classes in their rules but not ablism, and who mentions accessibility while creating a high barrier of entry for disabled people. They can't even provide an audio one, even though that would not be accessible to deaf blind people. It could at least be accessible to more people. I bet they ban disabled people from accessing their server more often then they get rid of robots.
>>>
>>> Sabra Ewing
>>>
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2023, at 7:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I signed up on a different Mastodon server a while ago, and it was a breeze. I'm not sure if anything has changed in the Mastodon software or the administrator of that particular server put something in place, but the Mastodon community is very conscientious when it comes to accessibility. I'm fairly certain that the administrator of the server you're trying to sign up on will be very helpful. If not, there are other servers to choose from. If the NFB is setting up it's own Mastodon server then I'm sure it'll be accessible.
>>>>
>>>> Since Mastodon is open source with an open API, it's possible to find some very accessible clients. I found Mastodon to be just as accessible as Twitter or Facebook and a lot more efficient to use as a blind person, once you find the right client you prefer.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>>>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mike Gorse via
>>>> NFBCS
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2023 7:59 PM
>>>> To: Sabra Ewing via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Mike Gorse <mike at straddlethebox.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Mastodon accessibility problems
>>>>
>>>> I just tried signing up on mastodon.social using firefox and also had trouble with the CAPTCHA. There is a link to hcaptcha.com that is supposed to allow you to get a cookie, but I haven't been able to get that to work so far. The first time I signed in and used the button to set a cookie, I think that it told me that the cookie was set, but I still got a challenge when I went back to mastodon.social. I tried again to set a cookie, and the site told me that it could not set a cookie and to email their support if it continued to happen. So I think I'll try again later and email their support if I still have trouble. But I'm curious if other people have had success with it.
>>>>
>>>> Signing up on a different Mastodon server might be another option.
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2023, Sabra Ewing via NFBCS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Before you say this is off-topic, there isn't really a list or category where this can fit neatly.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Nfb has said they are going to focus on Mastodon instead of Twitter because Twitter fired their entire accessibility team from what I understand. However, mastodon is also not accessible. I was trying to create an account and it had a caption with no audio caption, and it said I would be able to skip past it if I have an accessibility cookie, and I was using voice over but it did not scared me past it. I was trying to join the social server and I'm not sure if things would be different if the Nfb has its own server and I tried to join that one. For the one I joined it was saying they will not tolerate attacks against a number of protected classes, but disabled people were not listed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, I don't know Facebook has an accessibility team either, but they have just broken accessibility on messenger, and it is not accessible to create an event. And their support menu is not accessible, probably because the accessibility on messenger is broken.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, the only reason I'm asking is because the Nfb specifically is using Mastodon now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sabra Ewing
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