[NFBCS] visual studio code

Sun Mar 26 15:03:41 UTC 2023

Agreed. These lists are valuable only because of the great discussions that happen and go in depth about options and solutions. Remember also that these list archives are indexed by search engines and can be extremely useful for blind folks searching the web for solutions to similar problems, but who may not be aware of this list.

Regardless, thanks for the info about Github classroom.

Aaron
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> On Mar 25, 2023, at 13:36, Chris Nestrud via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm interested in whatever you'd like
> to share about your experiences getting this set up and working in a
> class environment.
> 
> Chris
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 02:23:59PM -0400, Paul York via NFBCS wrote:
>> Yes. Codespaces was recently added as a free option for GitHub Classroom (
>> https://docs.github.com/en/education/manage-coursework-with-github-classroom/integrate-github-classroom-with-an-ide/using-github-codespaces-with-github-classroom).
>> It's a hosted version of the Development Containers concept (
>> https://containers.dev/). I've just started using it this semester for a
>> database course here at Augusta University. Super useful as it allows me to
>> give students access to individualized, hosted Ubuntu instances customized
>> to run MariaDB and a few development tools with pretty minimal effort. Can
>> even open and forward ports for testing web apps, running management
>> interfaces, etc. And it's all fully integrated into VS Code (or full Visual
>> Studio if that's your preference).
>> 
>> Yeah, it's all wrapped up inside of a Docker container with limited
>> resources, but to the students it behaves as though it's a full Linux
>> instance...even able to run their own Docker containers matryoshka doll
>> style.
>> 
>> I've had a couple small hiccups but so far it's worked well. Happy to share
>> more offline to avoid spamming the list.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 1:52???PM <bjduarte at asu.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Paul for sharing this information. So these Code Spaces that you
>>> are referencing are just Docker instances? So basically you are using a
>>> github code space to serve up a Docker instance that provides a custom dev
>>> environment? Did I understand that correctly? I use Docker and github but I
>>> have never used the code spaces you are talking about.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bryan Duarte Ph.d.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:* NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On Behalf Of *Paul York via
>>> NFBCS
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2023 1:27 PM
>>> *To:* NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> *Cc:* Paul York <paul at yorkfamily.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NFBCS] visual studio code
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As a (nearly blind) professor using GitHub Codespaces in my (virtual)
>>> classroom, I'd be interested in hearing more about your experience with
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To assuage Bryan's concern, Codespaces is not a virtual machine in the
>>> "full desktop" sense. It's really all Docker, SSH, peanut butter and magic
>>> behind the scenes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There are two ways to use Codespaces.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One way is entirely in the browser. This runs VSCode inside of a browser
>>> window. This I would imagine is far less optimal because the browser might
>>> intercept the commands intended for VS Code. I've not used it with screen
>>> readers, but I imagine it likely wouldn't work perfectly. Certainly the
>>> keyboard shortcuts are sometimes intercepted in very inconvenient ways
>>> (like Ctrl+W will close the entire session instead of just closing an
>>> editor tab).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The other way is to use the Codespaces extension from within VS Code
>>> itself. Here you just connect to the Codespace using the same URL. See:
>>> https://docs.github.com/en/codespaces/developing-in-codespaces/using-github-codespaces-in-visual-studio-code
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.github.com/en/codespaces/developing-in-codespaces/using-github-codespaces-in-visual-studio-code__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!aksb86uj7eLAbCAFKoXaGnOb5YZOK-u1Ps7R2jIHhS7f_OR25gAnWMefu94cXZ_hd8AB0TF_pm9zqg$>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you are currently using the browser method, I'd strongly recommend
>>> trying the "native" method to see if your experience is better. Certainly
>>> for me it is a significantly superior UX.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Paul York
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 12:58???PM Bryan via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey thee Pete,
>>> 
>>> I have used VS Code for years on a Mac with no problem at all. I have also
>>> used VS Code on Windows using Jaws with no problems at all. VS Code is
>>> accessible and offers lots of ways of executing commands from shortcut key
>>> strokes to a search function that is amazing. I have honestly never heard
>>> of
>>> a github virtual machine but here is what I will say. While virtual
>>> machines
>>> are not typically the best for running a full desktop, running secure
>>> shells
>>> with a terminal is usually pretty solid. When using a screen reader it is
>>> difficult to use a virtual machine because we do not use a mouse to
>>> interact
>>> with the interface. When using a screen reader we use keyboard commands
>>> which presents the issue of which system are you issuing commands to? It
>>> could be screen reader specific commands, host machine commands, and
>>> virtual
>>> system commands. I know some virtual machines have tried to fix this with
>>> Unity view patching all commands into the virtual machine but it is not
>>> perfect.
>>> 
>>> I wish I had better news for you but my suspicion is that you are trying to
>>> issue commands to the virtual machine and the host machine is not allowing
>>> them to pass through. Typing text into the virtual machine will probably
>>> work but when executing other commands the host computer is not knowing how
>>> to handle where the commands should be going. Perhaps you can ask your
>>> professor which tools they have loaded on the github instance so you can
>>> duplicate them on your personal machine. From there you can write your code
>>> on your personal machine and load it to github as you are doing with full
>>> access to the tools you need.
>>> 
>>> Bryan Duarte Ph.d.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Peter Mark via NFBCS
>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 8:32 AM
>>> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Peter Mark <usapetermark at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NFBCS] visual studio code
>>> 
>>> hi cs list
>>> 
>>> a week ago or so, i wrote asking about help using visual studio code on a
>>> github virtual machine.
>>> it is not working well with voiceover.
>>> 
>>> there were no responses, maybe no one here is using such a system, so may i
>>> ask a more general question?
>>> 
>>> do most coders use nvda with visual studio?
>>> 
>>> i mean, vs code that i installed on my mac is pretty ok, but on the virtual
>>> machine it is not very good.
>>> the editor does not read correctly no matter what i try.
>>> 
>>> is it the opinion of the group that this may work better if i had a windows
>>> computer?
>>> i mean, vs code and the github codespace seems to be microsoft products.
>>> 
>>> i do like apple for the terminal is in my opinion better than the windows
>>> command line, but i will switch if the editing is better.
>>> 
>>> i have been working in textedit and compiling in the terminal on my mac
>>> then
>>> pasting the finished code into the github codespace for submission, but
>>> this
>>> is becoming more of an issue because the corse i am in is using things that
>>> i don't have on my local machine.
>>> 
>>> please, any advice or if anyone can direct me to others who may be advanced
>>> coders using such github codespaces.
>>> 
>>> thanks, pete
>>> 
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