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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>This has been done in different iterations over the years with varying degrees of success. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The most useful that worked the best also was the most useless as it annoyed the user too much to be used.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>When I was a research scientist doing wayfinding research, we made all types of prototypes and also tested various products from inventors. The best way to find an object as a “human” is to attach the reader node to the human head. Whether this is a hat, head bsand, or some form of eywear, all degrees can be accommodated this way and the vestibular system of the human is utilized. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I literally have a pair of glasses/goggles in storage that actually did what you are talking about using vibration. I tested them and we did not even do a research study to confirm it. It was an “expert” evaluation and the manufacturer verified the results with a number of other blind traveleres. The problem was that the vibration was so pervasive on the persons face that it restricted their ability to readily use it. It was like the entire front of the bridge of your nose and forehead were being rubbed with a rock.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tracy Carcione via NFBCS<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 4, 2023 3:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs@nfbnet.org><br><b>Cc:</b> carcione@access.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBCS] Path Planning Application<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think my husband might like something that warns of obstacles above the level of his cane, like tree branches or the big boxes on some crosswalk poles. My dog looks out for those mostly, but his cane misses them, naturally.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There have been various gadgets that are supposed to detect obstacles over the years. I remember the Mowat Sensor, and more recently the Buzzclip. Both of them vibrated when an obstacle came into their range. But the information was as useful as one would think. Perhaps it took more practice than I gave it, because I was just messing with one for an hour or so. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don’t think most people would want to have to hold the phone in one hand and the cane in the other, though. You’d still need a hand free to push buttons, open doors, carry whatever …<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Tracy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> NFBCS <<a href="mailto:nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Derrick Day via NFBCS<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 4, 2023 2:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <<a href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Derrick Day <<a href="mailto:brlkid@outlook.com">brlkid@outlook.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBCS] Path Planning Application<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am blind, i was planning to use haptic feedback to convey obstacles and path information to users. For example two taps for left and 3 for right. This kind of feedback already exists for people wearing Apple Watches and using navigation applications, so my thoughts were that it wouldn’t lead to information overload or be hard to understand. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What would you suggest including in the application either in addition to or as opposed to the obstacle notification and avoidance? You mentioned veering detection, is there any other functionality that you would like to see?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=ms-outlook-mobile-signature><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks so much, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Derrick C. Day<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> NFBCS <<a href="mailto:nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> on behalf of Amanda Lacy via NFBCS <<a href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 4, 2023 11:09:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <<a href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Amanda Lacy <<a href="mailto:lacy925@gmail.com">lacy925@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBCS] Path Planning Application</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My echolocation skills are good enough that my husband has seen me duck to avoid a leaf. A single leaf. Blind people have real problems; I wish you would focus your skill and intelligence on those.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On May 4, 2023, at 1:23 AM, Sabra Ewing via NFBCS <<a href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I'm not sure if you are blind. I did fill out the form. You ask if these things are a contending factor when you travel, meaning are they there when you travel.</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>You don't ask if blind people actually have trouble with them. the complicatedlanguage makes sure that blind people with intellectual disabilities can't take the survey.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I don't really like this idea but I'm not sure what other blind people think. I would like something to help with veering similar to the OKO app, but specifically focused on veering. maybe it could train you how to walk or tell you if your arc is getting lopsided.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I think you probably are not blind because I think a blind person would know that this is not what the majority of blind people want. I don't mean offense, but it is also not original because many sighted person thinks it would be so innovative to make an object avoiding app for blind people.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>A cane is designed to hit obstacles and a dog already goes around obstacles. Blind people like me have echolocation. Someone like me who already can't focus on orientation and mobility at the same time will not be able to focus on an app telling me every obstacle it sees. it will be easier to just hit obstacles with a cane and go around them.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Sabra Ewing<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On May 3, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Derrick Day via NFBCS <<a href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=xcontentpasted0><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hello, my name is Derrick Day. I have created an application that uses sensors on the back of an iPhone to map your environment while traveling and notify you about obstacles before your cane can. It also is able to detect objects that are undetectable by a cane, such as tree branches and overgrown shrubs. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=xcontentpasted0><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Coincidentally, I am in a business class at my high school, and we are assembling a business plan. I decided to do all of my business class assignments on this real project I already am investing time into, so I made a google form to get feedback. I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide feedback for two reasons. For one, I am creating a computer vision model to recognize and classify the objects travelers encounter. Because of this, feedback is helpful to ensure the model is accurate and can detect the objects seen by its users. Secondly, I need at least 30 responses for my class assignment, although that comes secondary. I am genuinely interested in making this app into something useful, so I would love to gather information that can allow me to make it the best product possible. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=xcontentpasted0><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Please also send this form to anyone who you know that may be able to contribute information. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=xcontentpasted0><span style='font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>Thank you</span></span><span class=xcontentpasted0><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> all very much in advance for your insight and assistance and I look forward to seeing your responses! </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=xcontentpasted0><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>link to form: </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><a href="https://bit.ly/4123HHS"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>https://bit.ly/4123HHS</span></a></span><span class=xcontentpasted0><span style='font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'></span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=xcontentpasted0><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Thanks so much, </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=xcontentpasted0><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Derrick C Day, student of Westminster High School </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=xcontentpasted0><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I have a website. Click <a href="http://brlkid.duckdns.org/" title=brlkid.duckdns.org><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>here</span></a> to view it in your browser! </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=xmsonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>NFBCS mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NFBCS@nfbnet.org">NFBCS@nfbnet.org</a><br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org</a><br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS:<br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/sabra1023%40gmail.com">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/sabra1023%40gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>NFBCS mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:NFBCS@nfbnet.org"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>NFBCS@nfbnet.org</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br></span><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS:<br></span><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/lacy925%40gmail.com"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/lacy925%40gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>