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<p>There is nothing wrong with the old menu bar, but Ribbons are
what we have, and using virtualized replacements like you are
means that when things break, you have to wait for updates. It
doesn't take long to learn the new style; with that you're no
longer stuck using a solution that can break at times.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/24/2023 2:16 PM, Nicole Torcolini
via NFBCS wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> I respectfully disagree.
There was nothing wrong with the old menu bar, and I don’t
know why Microsoft completely did away with it. I understand
that some people prefer the new fangled ribbon bar, both
with and without the virtual ribbon, so people should be
able to choose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> BTW, if you want the old menu
bar back in Windows Explorer, there is a program that can
turn off the ribbon, but only for Explorer—not for Office.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Nicole<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span
style="mso-ligatures:none"> NFBCS
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org"><nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Curtis
Chong via NFBCS<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 24, 2023 8:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org"><nfbcs@nfbnet.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Curtis Chong <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chong.curtis@gmail.com"><chong.curtis@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBCS] JAWS Use Virtual Ribbon
Menus Keeps Saying Blank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Hello:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">I am in the camp which strongly
recommends that people stop using the JAWS virtual ribbons
and adopt the ribbons provided by Microsoft. There are
numerous tutorials available to teach people how to get at
the ribbon nonvisually. I just sent out an old audio from
Blind Training which, in my opinion, pretty much gives you
what you need to make the transition.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Pay particular attention to the Quick
Access Toolbar, which has really saved me a lot of time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Warm regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Curtis Chong<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span
style="mso-ligatures:none"> NFBCS <<a
href="mailto:nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Shelton via NFBCS<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 23, 2023 5:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <<a
href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Steve Shelton <<a
href="mailto:stevesheltonokc@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">stevesheltonokc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBCS] JAWS Use Virtual Ribbon
Menus Keeps Saying Blank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I had the same problem and called JAWS
technical support. I was told that an update from Microsoft
likely broke the JAWS virtual menu feature. Freedom
Scientific will work on a resolution for JAWS and push out a
JAWS update at some point. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As a work around, I turned off the JAWS
virtual menu option and can now access ribbons again. I don’t
plan to go back to the virtual menu even if the problem gets
resolved. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span
style="mso-ligatures:none"> NFBCS <<a
href="mailto:nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nicole Torcolini via NFBCS<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 23, 2023 5:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <<a
href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nicole Torcolini <<a
href="mailto:torcolini@comcast.net"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">torcolini@comcast.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NFBCS] JAWS Use Virtual Ribbon Menus
Keeps Saying Blank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> I think that I have Office
2021; I don’t know for sure because I cannot get to the Help
menu in the different programs. I have the latest version of
JAWS. I am running Windows 10 64 bit. I think that this
happened after the latest JAWS update, but it could have
been after an update to Windows, Office, etc. I turn on the
“Use Virtual Ribbon Menus” option in the JAWS setting.
Before, it worked fine. Now, if this is turned on, it just
says blank. Sometimes, if I can manage to move into and back
out of a submenu, it will start speaking the information,
but most of the time it just says blank. Has anyone else had
this problem?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Nicole<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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