<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hello: I am not sure Microsoft is going to support Thunderbird well. They can probably lead you to the settings in Hotmail to fix your problem for "third-party browsers". You might check<a href="https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/thunderbird"> </a><font color="#007aff"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 122, 255);"><u>https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/thunderbird, the</u></span></font> Mozilla support page at <div><div dir="ltr">Nancy Coffman</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 13, 2024, at 2:53 PM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS <nfbcs@nfbnet.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Hi Steve:</span><br><span></span><br><span>You are absolutely correct. The problem that Mario is facing is that the choice to use OAUTH2 does not show up when attempting to configure the SMTP settings in Thunderbird.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Moreover, all of the articles he and I have both read online provide information which is not working for him. As a last resort, I did urge him to contact the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk (DAD) for help on the theory that even if he is not using a Microsoft client to send/receive email, he is using Hotmail, which is connected to outlook.com, a Microsoft system. The problem is getting OAUTH2 for the SMTP connection.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Kindest regards,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Curtis Chong</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via NFBCS</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2024 1:45 PM</span><br><span>To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs@nfbnet.org></span><br><span>Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson@outlook.com></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [NFBCS] FW: [NJTechDiv] multi factor authentication</span><br><span></span><br><span>Curtis,</span><br><span></span><br><span>I think you are right that Google removed the less secure setting, but it is likely that OAUTH2 is being implemented on HotMail similar to how it has been implemented on Gmail for over a year..</span><br><span></span><br><span>Best regards,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Steve Jacobson</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong via NFBCS</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2024 2:10 PM</span><br><span>To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs@nfbnet.org></span><br><span>Cc: Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@gmail.com>; 'Nancy Coffman' <nancy.l.coffman@gmail.com></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [NFBCS] FW: [NJTechDiv] multi factor authentication</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hi Nancy:</span><br><span></span><br><span>I believe Google has removed that setting. This is more of a Microsoft issue since we are talking about a Hotmail account here.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cordially,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Curtis Chong</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via NFBCS</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2024 12:53 PM</span><br><span>To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs@nfbnet.org></span><br><span>Cc: Nancy Coffman <nancy.l.coffman@gmail.com></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [NFBCS] FW: [NJTechDiv] multi factor authentication</span><br><span></span><br><span>gongle also has a setting called "allow less secure apps". You may need to check for something like that. The Microsoft Disability Answer Desk may be able to help.</span><br><span>Nancy Coffman</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Curtis Chong via NFBCS <nfbcs@nfbnet.org> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hello:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I think we all need more information. I reached out to Mario asking to </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>see the original email sent by Microsoft. Somehow, I don't think this </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>is as simple as simply turning on two-factor authentication. Google </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>has been on this path for quite a few years now, and for legacy </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>applications, it forces you to create what it calls an app-specific </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>password. Verizon.net also forces creation of an app-specific </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>password. I am wondering of Microsoft is doing the same with Hotmail.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cordially,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Curtis Chong</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>NFBCS</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2024 6:16 AM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs@nfbnet.org></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: carcione@access.net</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [NFBCS] FW: [NJTechDiv] multi factor authentication</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>A person in our New Jersey Technology committee is having trouble </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>adding 2-factor authentication to his Hotmail account, which Microsoft </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>says he must do. He is using Thunderbird for email.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>His message is below. Can anyone help?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>You can write him directly at</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Mario Brusco <mrb620@hotmail.com></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Or I can pass on messages.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thanks.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tracy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: NJTechDiv <njtechdiv-bounces@nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mario </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Brusco via NJTechDiv</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Friday, July 12, 2024 4:17 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: njtechdiv@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Mario Brusco <mrb620@hotmail.com></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [NJTechDiv] multi factor authentication</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On July 3, I received an email from Microsoft notifying me that it </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>would be necessary for me to update the sign-in technology of my </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hotmail account before September 16th, 2024 to maintain email access.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Since I use Thunderbird with my Hotmail account using POP:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Basically, what I need to do is to change the authentication method of </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the POP and SMTP server to use OAuth2. It seems to be straight </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>forward, but I'm finding that it's not.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The instructions specify that the address for the POP server should be </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>outlook.office365.com, but immediately I receive an error that a login </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to office365.com cannot be completed, and therefore I cannot continue </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>with the rest of the instructions. If I leave the address as </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>POP-mail.outlook.com, I can then choose OAuth2 for the authentication </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>method, and continue with the rest of the instructions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Now, the SMTP server should be SMTP-mail.outlook.com, but there is no </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>choice of OAuth2 for authentication. However if I change the address </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to SMTP.office365.com, I can choose OAuth2 for the authentication, but </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>when I press the OK button, I receive an error that the login to </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>smtp.office365.com cannot be completed.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The resource that started this mess is:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/microsoft-oauth-authentication-an</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>d-thun derbird-202#w_changes-to-authentication</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I would appreciate any help as to what the server addresses and other </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>settings if warranted should be. I'd like to get this done as soon as </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>possible so retrieving and sending email from me continues after 9/16/24.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>NJTechDiv mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>NJTechDiv@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/njtechdiv_nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>NJTechDiv:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/njtechdiv_nfbnet.org/carcione%40acce</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ss.net</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>NFBCS mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>NFBCS@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmai</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>l.com</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>NFBCS mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>NFBCS@nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/nancy.l.coffman%40g</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>mail.com</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>NFBCS mailing list</span><br><span>NFBCS@nfbnet.org</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org</span><br><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS:</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>NFBCS mailing list</span><br><span>NFBCS@nfbnet.org</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org</span><br><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS:</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40outlook.com</span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>NFBCS mailing list</span><br><span>NFBCS@nfbnet.org</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org</span><br><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS:</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>NFBCS mailing list</span><br><span>NFBCS@nfbnet.org</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org</span><br><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS:</span><br><span>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/nancy.l.coffman%40gmail.com</span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>