<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Good morning Curtis, as you know I've been a Mac user for many years. I have one good suggestion you might look into joining the "blind apples route aisle mailing list. There is also the Mac visionaries Google groups list. In addition as you may know be my eyes maintains the apple this website that has a very large resource or new Mac users. In addition you can certainly reach out to my users whom you already know for occasional advice. I hope this helps?<div><br></div><div>PS just so that everyone knows I am actually using Apple Intelligence, with voice control in order to dictate this email. This is because in addition to being deaf blind, I also have a written expression disorder.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope the above information is helpful?√<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Maurice A. Mines, President <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Email: nfbdbpresident@mmines.org <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Website: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfbdeaf-blind.org> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Live the life you want. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></p><div>√<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 26, 2024, at 18:02, Curtis Chong via NFBCS <nfbcs@nfbnet.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"></div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Hello:</div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Check out<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.macfortheblind.com/">www.macfortheblind.com</a>.</div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">That is how I learned to use the Mac with VoiceOver. Also, don't forget<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.applevis.com/">www.applevis.com</a>.</div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Kind regards,</div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Curtis Chong</div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br>On Nov 26, 2024, at 10:53 AM, dandrews920--- via NFBCS <<a href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I am an old, long-time Windows user. For reasons I won’t get into here, I am going to buy a Mac Mini and learn how to use VoiceOver. I have dabbled a little years ago, but have reasons for learning the Mac. I am not giving up windows.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">However I am looking for recommendations on tutorials, lists to join, or anything that might help me learn the Mac.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Dave<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>NFBCS mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:NFBCS@nfbnet.org">NFBCS@nfbnet.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org</a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NFBCS:</span><br><span><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/chong.curtis%40gmail.com</a></span><br></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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