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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Joe,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think that changing the keyboard will have a \u201cprofound change on the core experience\u201d, as you describe it, in that if you know Windows, you'll be able to use Windows as you know it and not touch
the KeySoft layer at all. Of course you could set KeySoft aside on the braille version too, but it would potentially introduce some cognitive dissonance which the KeySoft layer could help to overcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Whether over $6000 is worth it for a mid-spec laptop and a braille display in one package is up to you. I can see why for many it wouldn't be. For me, the ergonomics and the portability trump the
price tag.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My main hesitations about the Evolve QWERTY at this point are that hopefully we will also see the Optima next year, which might give us better specs, and I don't hold out much hope that the Evolve
QWERTY will have a UK keyboard option. The latter point is obviously not relevant to most of the audience of this list, but coming from the UK, it will make or break the deal for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If I'm wrong, and we see an Evolve with a UK keyboard, I'll probably spring for it. The specs will be better than what I have now, so will the ergonomics, and if the form factor of the Evolve 32
is anything to go by, the form factor of the Evolve QWERTY will be enviably small and light!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Matthew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Orozco via NFBCS<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 June 2026 05:07<br>
<b>To:</b> NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs@nfbnet.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Joe Orozco <jsorozco@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBCS] FW: Access On: The BrailleNote Evolve from HumanWare<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I was finally able to listen to Jonathan\u2019s review in its entirety. Sadly, or fortunately, it discouraged me from making the purchase.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I\u2019m glad Jonathan did the math for us. Too often I have felt as though consumer groups have given companies a pass because the market is too small, the research
and development is too expensive, and so on. Yet, if the company\u2019s market really is the educational sector, this should be fleshed out in their marketing. The $6,000 plus price tag feels a little startling even for the educational sector, but I understand
this is the way of the world.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I thought I might wait for the QWERTY model. Yet, changing the keyboard doesn\u2019t seem like it will have a profound change on the core experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I\u2019m a little bummed. I really was hoping to approach the product as an all-in-one experience. I\u2019ll still check it out on the exhibit floor, and compliments to
Humanware for taking a substantial run at blending the notetaker with a mainstream concept. I hope it is the beginning of a new trend.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And thanks to Jonathan for the thorough and honest assessment. It\u2019s good to know we have someone at the helm who can recognize the wonderful things that come
of our partnership with the corporate sector but still be able to step back and offer an unbiased assessment. This ultimately benefits the end customer who is not relying on government funds to make the investment. At north of 6K, it is indeed a steep investment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Very appreciative,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Joe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 19, 2026 at 2:05<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM dan TeVelde via NFBCS <<a href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Jonathan,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">I thought your review was comprehensive and you raised some issues I hadn\u2019t thought of. I won\u2019t be getting this device. You noted several
things which resonated with me. I have a QBraille and agree with you that it was an innovative device. I stopped using it when I ran into issues with windows 11 and needed a Mantis to do programming. My main concern with the QBraille was its unreliable Bluetooth
connections. I think Selvas technical support has suffered recently. In one of their webinars I asked them if they were going to keep the QBraille updated and they were dismissive even when I pointed out that its hybrid interface was worth keeping. I explained
how I liked to use it and not need to depend on a screenreader. I found the presence of Windows modifier keys helpful except when I needed to execute complicated JAWS and NVDA commands. I tried using the Windows sticky keys feature but that didn\u2019t work. I
think these shortcomings could have been addressed in a new product. Instead, Selvas introduced a Braille display with a stupid name and was a basic copy of the Brailliant with some other features.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">When my Braille Sense U2 Mini became obsolete and stopped working I bought a Brailliant 20. I didn\u2019t want a full-fledged notetaker and
thought that the Humanware hybrid approach would be sufficient for my needs. Initially I was very satisfied with the device and found connecting it to iOS devices to be easy. I was disappointed with the Victor Reader app and the fact that there are file size
limitations even for BRF files. The latest Humanware software update has made things worse. People complained about an issue where in the Victor Reader app where the process of selecting recently read books was slow. Humanware addressed that issue in one of
their software updates but then the issue resurfaced with last year\u2019s latest update. I think the processor and amount of RAM might not be sufficient. The user can\u2019t open multiple files in the same application which I would think would be an important requirement
for a device. I was astounded to learn that the BrailleNote Evolve doesn\u2019t have a find function for BRF files. How could Humanware have left such an important feature out of the initial implementation. It boggles my mind.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">I think we are at a dead end with most notetakers. It seems like Humanware and Sellvas are doing more of the same things with newer generations
of hardware and software. I heard a demonstration of the Braille Sense 7 and wasn\u2019t impressed. The only new product which excites me is the BT Braille. I think the Blazie family is listening closely to customers and offering features which have never been
available before. Yes, the Linux environment is new to some people but the amount of available hard drive storage is impressive. I will probably buy the BT Braille once the product matures a bit. the Blazie family has worked closely with the National Federation
of the Blind and I think the organization deserves a lot of credit for getting the initial notetaker concept off the ground. Jonathan\u2019s product reviews are more useful than just attending a webinar where company representatives tell you about their products.
All too often, company representatives tell people what they want them to hear.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">I know my e-mail is harsh but I think in this day and age consumers need to do their homework and not take products at face value. I
have made that mistake before.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Dan</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NFBCS
<<a href="mailto:nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mosen, Jonathan via NFBCS<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 19, 2026 10:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <<a href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mosen, Jonathan <<a href="mailto:jmosen@nfb.org" target="_blank">jmosen@nfb.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBCS] FW: Access On: The BrailleNote Evolve from HumanWare</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello Joe, yes, I have two months\u2019 hands-on experience with BrailleNote Evolve. I will not restate the findings of the review, which
is comprehensive.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">If you are going to use it for coding, you may wish to, as you say, either connect a qwerty keyboard, or use computer Braille, which
has fewer potential ambiguities.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">There is more to this question than writing the code though. The three-year-old processor in the device may have a bearing on whether
it will meet your needs. You will find outcomes to be speedier for many use cases if you use something like a Mantis Q40 to connect to a computer with a more powerful CPU.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">The Mantis Q40 offers local basic note taking without having to buy anything else, which BrailleNote Evolve does not unless you count
the BRF editor which has no find function.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-NZ">Jonathan Mosen<br>
Executive Director for Accessibility Excellence<br>
National Federation of the Blind <br>
410-659-9314 ex 2233 <br>
<a href="mailto:jmosen@nfb.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#467886">jmosen@nfb.org</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-NZ"><br>
Reminder: Attend <a href="https://nfb.org/convention" target="_blank"><span style="color:#467886">National Convention</span></a>, July 3-8, 2026, in Austin, Texas.<br>
\u201cIt\u2019s the time of year where blind people are the majority.\u201d</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="https://nfb.org/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="298" height="133" style="width:3.1041in;height:1.3854in" id="m_3036402302750791363Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01DD07DB.3C8D2C20" alt="National Federation of the Blind logo, Live the life you want tagline, nfb.org"></span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NFBCS
<<a href="mailto:nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Orozco via NFBCS<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 19, 2026 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Joe Orozco <<a href="mailto:jsorozco@gmail.com" target="_blank">jsorozco@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBCS] FW: Access On: The BrailleNote Evolve from HumanWare</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Does anyone here have hands-on experience with the device? I was tempted by the Perkins model but have hesitated based on unconfirmed reports that things were
still buggy. That is, of course, to be expected, not a reflection on the device itself, but for things like coding, I wonder if it makes more sense to wait for the QWERTY model. Yes, you can currently connect a QWERTY keyboard to it now, but I\u2019d really like
to reduce the number of devices I carry around.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Anyway, just some questions for anyone with firsthand experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Actually, if anyone can speak to the Mantis Q40 and whether this would be a more viable and more affordable alternative, that would be great information as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Joe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<<a href="mailto:nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">nfbcs-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Jacobson via NFBCS<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 19, 2026 9:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nfbcs@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">nfbcs@nfbnet.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Steve Jacobson <<a href="mailto:steve.jacobson@outlook.com" target="_blank">steve.jacobson@outlook.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NFBCS] FW: Access On: The BrailleNote Evolve from HumanWare</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">This week's Access On features a comprehensive review and demonstration of BrailleNote Evolve, the latest generation of BrailleNote from HumanWare running Windows
11 Pro. here are the segments in the episode, which you can skip to using the chapter feature of your podcast player or app. Looking ahead to our gaming Access On webinar 0:00:00 What is BrailleNote Evolve 0:02:13 The evolution that led to BrailleNote Evolve
0:06:11 BrailleNote Evolve with JAWS 0:12:22 Hardware 0:15:25 Dimensions and portability 0:24:38 The keyboard 0:28:13 Setup 0:33:02 Starting, and the Main Menu 0:34:44 Testing the microphones 0:40:01 Word, BrailleNote Evolve, and NVDA 0:42:47 Options 0:58:18
Braille Editor 1:10:14 Victor Reader 1:11:54 File Manager 1:16:41 No Braille Terminal 1:18:16 Final thoughts 1:19:45 Andrew Flatres and Rachel Ramos from HumanWare 1:31:18 Closing and contact info 2:02:08
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Listen on Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/access-on/id1777481188?i=1000773156189" target="_blank">
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/access-on/id1777481188?i=1000773156189</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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