[Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!!National ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
Patricia A. Lipovsky
plipovsky at cfl.rr.com
Sun Jul 10 23:54:18 UTC 2011
You know Jim, I thought I heard some very soft tweeting as I stood there,
but the noise level increased just at that moment, and it disappeared very
quickly. Does anyone know what kind of birds they were?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ellsworth" <jellsworth1 at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "'NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List'" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!!National ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto
come!!!
> Hi Patricia,
>
> If you were real close and it happened to be quiet you might have heard
> them
> as we did but they make some pretty soft sounds.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Patricia A. Lipovsky
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:48 PM
> To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
> ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>
> I found the bird cage, but only by accident. I never did hear them.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Denise Valkema" <valkemadenise at aol.com>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
> ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>
>
>>I could hear birds when lobby was quiet.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
>> On Jul 10, 2011 1:25 PM, Sherri <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill, I'm with you. As a guide dog user, it was difficult to find the
>> relief
>>
>> area, since my dog just wanted to go to any set of doors. I too thought
>> the
>>
>> bird cage would have actual bird sounds, but it did not, so I don't see
>> the
>>
>> purpose. Maybe someone can describe it to us and its visual significance.
>> My
>>
>> dog found the elevators for 4 through 10 every time except once. I also
>>
>> navigated through the areas several times with just my cane, as my dog
>>
>> needed a rest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sherri
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
>>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
>>
>> ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi Matt,
>>
>> > I don't know you at all and have no idea how long you have been
>> blind
>
>> or
>>
>> > what you do now or what you did before. I will totally aggree with
>> you
>>
>> > that the lobby area really offers very little in landmarks. I read
>> that
>>
>> > descriptive article about the hotel prior to leaving and was
>> expecting to
>>
>> > hear a bunch of squacking birds in that birdcage. I figured that
>> was
>>
>> > going to be an obvious landmark to work from but never heard a peep
>> from
>>
>> > it. Once out of the lobby area though things weren't really too
>> bad.
>
>> The
>>
>> > lower lobby was pretty simple if you kept your ears open and the
>>
>> > convention area as well. I did have the advantage of a very smart
>> dog who
>>
>> > knew how to find the elavators though. At least most of the
>> time(LOL). The
>>
>> > fact that there were sevral sets of glass doors leading outside did
>> make
>>
>> > it very hard to locate the relief area near the meeting rooms as
>> well.
>>
>> > And no matter how indipendent everyone claims to be I heard plenty
>> of
>>
>> > people asking, "where is...." right up to the last day. There were
>> plenty
>>
>> > of hotel staff around and if you were having trouble and chose to
>> not
>>
>> > ask...well then thats just being prideful and foolish. On the
>> other
>>
>> > hand I really found people screaming, "escalators over here" over
>> and
>
>> over
>>
>> > more of a distraction than a help. When things were quiet the sound
>> of
>>
>> > those escalators was pretty obvious. I have been in hotels that were
>> both
>>
>> > easier and more difficult to work through and always survived.If you
>> hated
>>
>> > this one, don't try any of the casino propertys in Vegas or Reno
>> that
>
>> are
>>
>> > actually designed to make it hard to find your way out! If this
>> hotel and
>>
>> > its challenges keeps you away from the convention in the future that
>> is
>>
>> > sad. I came in contact with sevral O and M people during the course
>> of
>>
>> > the week and I am sure that if you were to make contact with one of
>> them
>>
>> > that they wouldn't mind spending a bit of time with you helping you
>> to get
>>
>> > a better handle on things.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On the subject of being "well adjusted"..I thought that one had been
>>
>> > exhausted already but if not, being well adjusted to anything does
>> not
>>
>> > mean you are always happy and glad you have that issue it means
>> accepting
>>
>> > it! I heard someone use the word embrace it...I don't know how you
>> can
>>
>> > embrace losing your sight but you surley can accept that it has
>> happened
>>
>> > and at the moment there is nothing you or any of us can do about
>> it...
>>
>> > Can we please put the well adjusted and how bad the hotel was topics
>> to
>>
>> > rest. Seems they are getting beat to death.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Bill Kociaba
>>
>> > CRUISEONE
>>
>> > Bill at Ycruise.com
>>
>> > 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
>>
>> > 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> > From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>>
>> > To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>
>> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:55 AM
>>
>> > Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>>
>> > Orlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >>I need to respond to this. YOu folksw on this group don't know
>> me
>
>> very
>>
>> >>well. You think you do but you don't. From now on, I'm simply
>> going to
>>
>> >>keep my mouth shut! I won't say anything!
>>
>> >> This place was extremely complex for me as an individual. I was
>> told by
>>
>> >> another blind person who has been at events here this place is
>> difficult
>>
>> >> to navigate. Places I see as complex take me a while to grasp.
>> If I
>>
>> >> can't form a mental picture in my mind of something, the item
>> makes no
>>
>> >> sense to me.
>>
>> >> IF you know *ONE* person who is *TOTALLY* adjusted to their
>> blindness I"d
>>
>> >> certainly like to meet them. You never can be totally adjusted
>> to
>>
>> >> anything 100% of the time.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Matt Roberts
>>
>> >> 386-679-1986
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:27 PM, "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> Matt my friend, when will you start to accept your blindness
>> and move
>>
>> >>> forward without complaints? I have been listening to you
>> complain about
>>
>> >>> everything you are in contact with ever since you started
>> commenting on
>>
>> >>> this
>>
>> >>> site again. I have knoown you for many years and you have
>> always had
>>
>> >>> such a
>>
>> >>> negative attitude about most everything and it is truly not
>> what is your
>>
>> >>> perception of your surroundings as much as it is you and
>> your
>
>> negativity
>>
>> >>> about life in general! Please get counseling or something so
>> you can
>>
>> >>> start
>>
>> >>> to move forward without such a negative attitude and perhaps
>> your
>>
>> >>> comments
>>
>> >>> would be more enjoyable to read. I had many friends of mine
>> that were
>>
>> >>> there,
>>
>> >>> as was I, and even the Totals with me said once they
>> learned
>
>> their way
>>
>> >>> around they thought it was easy to do and they loved the
>> Hotel.I have to
>>
>> >>> say
>>
>> >>> however, they all have a very positive attitude about life
>> and have
>>
>> >>> accepted
>>
>> >>> the fact that ,YES, they are in fact totally blind and
>> things
>
>> are
>>
>> >>> different
>>
>> >>> but it doesn't have to be miserable to enhjoy their lives.
>> You need to
>>
>> >>> get
>>
>> >>> help to learn how to think positive about your life and quit
>> complaining
>>
>> >>> about all that is around you. Once you embrace your
>> blindness and it's
>>
>> >>> lifestyle, then my friend, I feel you will start to smile
>> more and
>>
>> >>> frown a
>>
>> >>> lot less! Matt, Just one man's observation of you since I
>> have known
>>
>> >>> you,
>>
>> >>> and want you to try and understand that none of us need
>> negativity in
>>
>> >>> our
>>
>> >>> lives unnecessarily. Please try and change your attitude not
>> just for
>>
>> >>> yourself, but for all that is around and in contact with
>> you!
>
>> Your
>>
>> >>> friend in
>>
>> >>> the cause, Kirk Harmon
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> >>> From: "Holly" <hbeanie at gmail.com>
>>
>> >>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List"
>> <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:22 AM
>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>>
>> >>> Orlandomanyyears
>>
>> >>> to come!!!
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I agree , a positive attitude always helps. One may not like
>> a situation
>>
>> >>> but
>>
>> >>> the only thing you have control over is the way you react to
>> it.
>>
>> >>> Holly
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Holly
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> On Jul 9, 2011 10:07 AM, "Denise Valkema"
>> <valkemadenise at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> You can take a brown car right out lobby entrance for $5 for
>> everyone in
>>
>> >>> car
>>
>> >>> or ask a friend who drives to take you to Publix.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> You can hook up with member or friend and get around
>> together. You have
>>
>> >>> two
>>
>> >>> years to work on solutions. A positive attitude helps, too.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Denise
>>
>> >>> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> On Jul 9, 2011 12:11 AM, Sherri
>> <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I thought the hotel was really ...
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nf...
>>
>> >>> > On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Tara Prakash Tripathi
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >> What did you not like about this hotel?
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > I found the layout extremely confusing. I spent 1
>> hour just trying
>>
>> >>> to
>>
>> >>> get
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > from the registration table to the elevators
>> leading
>
>> to my room.
>>
>> >>> When
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > you're trying to figure out where you are, where
>> you
>
>> want to go,
>>
>> >>> and
>>
>> >>> dodge
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > people it's difficult. I have no problem
>> traveling,
>
>> but from what
>>
>> >>> i
>>
>> >>> can
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > tell there are no landmarks. A week is not enough
>> time to learn
>>
>> >>> this
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > hotel. I'd need to spend a lot of time, and
>> practice over and
>>
>> >>> over.
>>
>> >>> I'm
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > with some friends and one of them is sighted. I do
>> let him guide
>>
>> >>> me,
>>
>> >>> but
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > I should be able to pick up routes, since we always
>> go the same
>>
>> >>> way.
>>
>> >>> NOt
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > this hotel!
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > The food is very expensive, and there aren't any
>> eating
>>
>> >>> establishments
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > nearby. If you want to not pay a lot of money for
>> food, you need a
>>
>> >>> car.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > I know Publix is across the street, but you have to
>> get out to the
>>
>> >>> road.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > With my physical disability, I would not risk
>> trying
>
>> to walk that
>>
>> >>> far,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > especially when no sidewalks exist.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > Matt Roberts blindbiker at yahoo.com
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > ________________________...
>>
>> >>> >
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get
>> your
>
>> account info
>>
>> >>> for
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> > Nfbf-l:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> >
>>
>> >>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/flmom2006%40gmail.co
> m
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Nfbf-l mailing list
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> http:/...
>>
>> >>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/valkemadenise%40aol.
> com
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> >>> Nfbf-l mailing list
>>
>> >>> Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>
>> >>> http://www.n...
>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> >>> Nfbf-l mailing list
>>
>> >>> Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>
>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org
>>
>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>> info for
>>
>> >>> Nfbf-l:
>>
>> >>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/kvharmon54%40gmail.c
> om
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> >>> Nfbf-l mailing list
>>
>> >>> Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>
>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org
>>
>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>> info for
>>
>> >>> Nfbf-l:
>>
>> >>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/blindbiker%40yahoo.c
> om
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>>
>> >> Nfbf-l mailing list
>>
>> >> Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>
>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org
>>
>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>> info
>
>> for
>>
>> >> Nfbf-l:
>>
>> >>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/williamkociaba%40com
> cast.net
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>>
>> > Nfbf-l mailing list
>>
>> > Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org
>>
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for
>>
>> > Nfbf-l:
>>
>> >
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/flmom2006%40gmail.co
> m
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Nfbf-l mailing list
>>
>> Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org
>>
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Nfbf-l:
>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/valkemadenise%40aol.
> com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nfbf-l mailing list
>> Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Nfbf-l:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/plipovsky%40cfl.rr.c
> om
>>
>>
>> -----
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3756 - Release Date: 07/10/11
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nfbf-l mailing list
> Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Nfbf-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/jellsworth1%40tampab
> ay.rr.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nfbf-l mailing list
> Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Nfbf-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/plipovsky%40cfl.rr.com
>
>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3757 - Release Date: 07/10/11
>
More information about the NFBF-L
mailing list