[Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max

Wed Jun 27 20:51:19 UTC 2012

I agree this is sad but I believe the sighted people wanting a driver's license or Florida identification card have to provide the same documentation that was asked. Also, once beyond a certain age, the identification card doesn't expire. 

I called to set an appointment and asked what to bring including payment method prior to going. This helped with wait time in Miami-Dade anyway.

We could see about having notification mailed out 2 months ahead if this is done for driver's license. Is this done for all Florids?

Denise

-----Original Message-----
From: taraprakash at gmail.com
To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max

It's really sad. Who would compensate if you did or if you had to take leave 
from work for this?
We have two lessons to learn from this experience:

1. Do not let your state id expire.

2. Be more sympathetic towards people without documents. Not having them 
should not automatically make you illegal.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patricia A. Lipovsky" <plipovsky at cfl.rr.com>
To: "NFBF List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max

> Hi all.
>
>
>
> I wanted to write and share my wonderful experience I had recently with 
> the Department of Motor Vehicles.  Talk about bureaucracy, this is 
> bureaucracy to the Max as far as I'm concerned.  It's a tad long, and I 
> apologize for that, but I didn't want to leave out too many details so you 
> could get the complete picture of exactly what happened.
>
>
>
> It all started when my state ID expired.  Warning:   If you do anything at 
> all, do not let your ID expire..  It will be one of the biggest mistake 
> you make!!
>
>
>
> First trip to the DMV
>
> I was told by a friend, even though my ID expired, just take it to the 
> DMV, and they will just issue me a new one.     Wrong!
>
>
>
> Since there is a two hour turn around time with my Parra transit, a very 
> kind lady from my church offered to take me to the DMV so I wouldn't have 
> to wait so long for my return trip.
>
>
>
> I took my expired ID, as my friend suggested, which of course had my 
> picture on it, and after standing in line for about 30 minutes, was told 
> it could not be accepted because it was expired.  I then offered another 
> ID with a picture of my service animal and myself on it, but they still 
> wouldn't budge.  They told me I needed to come back with two utility 
> bills, to show proof of address, a social security card or Birth 
> certificate, and I would be good to go.
>
>
>
>    Second Trip to the DMV
>
> About two or three  weeks later, my very kind church lady and I go back to 
> the DMV, water and electric bills in hand, along with my two photo ID's, 
> my birth certificate, and got back in line to wait my turn.  I get up to 
> the reception desk with all my info, and after looking at it, was asked 
> for my social security card.  I explained I misplaced it, and the last 
> time I was there, was told my birth certificate along with the other 
> pieces of information I had would suffice.  She apologizes, and states my 
> social security card is required.  I could go to the social security 
> office and obtain a letter which they would accept, substantiating that I 
> did have a social security card.
>
>
>
> Feeling very frustrated, since I truly thought this issue was going to be 
> resolved at this time, and had other things to do, I told my very kind 
> church lady friend that we would deal with this another day.  Once again, 
> she graciously offered to take me to the Social Security office one day 
> the next week, and then back to the DMV, which was exactly what we did.
>
>
>
> Third Trip to the DNV
>
> We go back to the DNV a week later, social security letter in hand, two 
> utility bills, two picture ID's, and my birth certificate.  I anxiously 
> awaited my turn, and after waiting approximately 30 to 45 minutes, got up 
> to the desk and handed the person my info.  After looking through it, she 
> states my name on my birth certificate is not the same as on the other 
> pieces of information. My response was, "Yes, I know, I got married." Can 
> you guess what her next statement is? You got it.  She now needs a 
> certified copy of my marriage certificate.
>
> Needless to say, at this point, I wanted to scream, but thanks to our Lord 
> and Savior, managed to compose myself.   I then proceeded to tell her that 
> this was my third trip to the DMV, and pointed out that she did have two 
> picture ID's right there in her hot little hand, (well I did leave the 
> words hot little hand part out), with me standing right in front of her, 
> verifying those pictures, plus two utility bills which verified home 
> address and name, as well as my social security letter.  Noticing how 
> frustrated I was, she decided to check with her boss, and upon return, 
> proceeded to apologize for my inconvenience, but stated I would still have 
> to come back with the marriage certificate.
>
> Frustrated, disappointed, and discouraged, out the door we went for the 
> third time, knowing I had yet another obstacle to overcome.
>
>
>
> After numerous calls to New Jersey, I finally got to the correct office, 
> where I was told they would be happy to send me a copy of my marriage 
> certificate, provided I furnished them with a current driver's license 
> /ID.  Hmmm, another obstacle!  Long story short, I ended up contacting my 
> x, who found it, and sent it to me.  Elated, I almost said "I love you", 
> but caught myself in the nick of time, as that wouldn't have been a very 
> good idea.
>
>
>
> Fourth Trip to the DMV
>
> So now my church lady friend and I are back at the DMV, with two photo 
> ID's, two utility bills, my social security letter, my birth certificate, 
> and my marriage certificate.  I once again, get up to the desk, feeling 
> very confident this would be the day I get my new ID, but there was yet 
> another glitch.  The marriage certificate that my x thought was the 
> original, was a copy, and I was told she could not accept a copy.  Now, I 
> can feel the blood rush to my head, and am trying very hard to maintain my 
> composure.  She obviously took note of my expression, knowing I had been 
> there before, and decided to ask her boss if she could accept it.  Luckily 
> for my sake they did, and I was finally able to go on my merry way with my 
> new ID.
>
>
>
> Now, let me say because of what happened with 911, and the identity theft 
> problem, I do understand the security issue, and totally agree with it one 
> hundred percent, but what happened in my case though, I feel was overkill. 
> If I didn't have two photo ID's, which obviously reiterated who I was, I 
> could understand connecting all the dots, but truly feel that wasn't 
> necessary here.
>
>
>
> Also, people who drive get notified 2 months in advance that their license 
> will be expiring.
>
> People with state ID's who do not drive, do not ever get notified.  What's 
> up with that???
>
>
>
> Are people who don't drive less important? Do they not deserve equal 
> treatment?  Is this discrimination?
>
>
>
> You tell me!!
>
>
>
>
>
> And remember....
> If you lack the courage to  start, you have already finished.
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