[Nfbf-l] Fw: [fcb-l] Fw: Stand your ground and s2188

Fri Mar 23 04:09:15 UTC 2012

I am passing Paul Edwards's comment along, because I feel he is the voice of 
reason. I hope we have all calmed down and respect each other's right to 
disagree. One of the things that amazed me was the calmness of the rally 
that was held for Trayvon Martin in Sanford this past evening.

Thank you Paul for so clearly stating the obvious.

Sherri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edwards, Paul" <pedwards at mdc.edu>
To: <fcb-l at acb.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [fcb-l] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Stand your ground and s2188

>I suppose I am old-fashioned but I do not think you need a new law every 
>time that appropriate action is not taken by those who are supposed to 
>equitably administer the laws we have.  What needs to happen, it seems to 
>me, is immediate action to create at least the appearance of fairness in 
>this case.  There certainly appears to be sufficient evidence to uphold 
>moving forward with some sort of case against Mr. Zimmerman. We will assume 
>him innocent until proven guilty but he should be forced to face some sort 
>of tribunal to determine if his actions  are appropriate or not.
> I have met the young man who was killed.  He lived with an ACCESS student 
> here in Miami.
> However, I would suggest that if there is not some sort of intervention, 
> we may need to take steps to ask whether the sheriff is appropriate for 
> another term of office and whether we need laws that would preclude the 
> appearance of unequal treatment in the future.  We have and perhaps should 
> have the right to bear arms.  We clearly do not have the right to 
> arbitrarily use them either in actuality or as a purported deterrent.  The 
> right to travel unmolested on a public thoroughfare is just as important 
> as the right to carry a gun.
> How I have put my two cents in.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul Edwards, Director
> North Campus Access Services
> 11380 Northwest 27 Avenue
> Miami FL33167
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>
> ABILITY COUNTS
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fcb-l-bounces at acb.org [mailto:fcb-l-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of 
> Kirk
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:16 PM
> To: fcb-l at acb.org
> Subject: Re: [fcb-l] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Stand your ground and s2188
>
> This is my point Mr. Vaughn! Until we all can read or hear the facts from 
> a thorough investigation from the proper authority's, I think any opinions 
> made now would be too premature! Kirk
>
> j
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John R Vaughn" <jrvaughn44 at comcast.net>
> To: <fcb-l at acb.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [fcb-l] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Stand your ground and s2188
>
>
> One fact I was not aware of, but just assumed because of the tenor of the
> discussion, had to do with the races involved.
> The  shooter was not a caucasion according to NPR but a Latino.
> Being blind, I cannot confirm that fact though, but I have had this
> confirmed by those who have seen a picture of the shooter.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fcb-l-bounces at acb.org [mailto:fcb-l-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of 
> Kirk
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:06 PM
> To: fcb-l at acb.org
> Subject: Re: [fcb-l] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Stand your ground and s2188
>
> Hello all! I wasn't going  to get involved in this debate but couldn't 
> keep
> quite on this any longer! From what I have heard about this unfortunate 
> and
> sad situation  from the news and other informational outlets is that we,
> none of us, have the facts as they happened and until the proper, fair, 
> and
> honetst investigation of the facts have been done, none of us should even
> begin to assume anything ! As all of us know what "assuming" can do to any
> of us! Depending on what news source or what part or bits ofr information 
> we
> read it can easily get us to assume the wrong conclusions or not! My heart
> goes out to this young mans family and parents and this, at this time,
> should be the paramount concern and now that the internet and other news
> sources  have brught it to the public's attention I do believe that their
> will be no other choice but to have an honest, fair, and detailed
> investigation to gfind out if this caucasion  male is a racist, crazy,
> paranoid nut, or an overzealous neighborhood crime watch captain, or this
> young man was innocent of any wrong doing or not! Just one man's opinion!
> Kirk
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
> To: <fcb-l at acb.org>; <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [fcb-l] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Stand your ground and s2188
>
>
> You guys go tell Trayvon Martin's parents that. Sure, the constitution is
> clear, but this law goes far above and beyond. This law has much grounds 
> for
> misinterpretation. The Stand-Your-Ground law is wrong!!!!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Ullrich" <mulrich at centurylink.net>
> To: <fcb-l at acb.org>; <jameswarth at verizon.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [fcb-l] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Stand your ground and s2188
>
>
>> Jim,
>> I do agree with you! 110%!
>>
>> Thanks,....Mike
>>
>> Michael D. Ulrich
>> President
>> Southwest Florida Council of the Blind
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> jameswarth at verizon.net
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:55 PM
>> To: fcb-l at acb.org
>> Subject: Re: [fcb-l] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Stand your ground and s2188
>>
>> I agree we we should all sand our ground out conststution is clear on 
>> this
>> we all have a right to bear arms in this country if some have their only
>> the
>> criminals will if this man committed a crime let Thr law deal with it
>> unfortunately it appears he will not be able to get a fair trial another
>> guarantee as a citizen let's let the law deal with this
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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>> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:38:32
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tara Prakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:22 PM
>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Stand your ground and s2188
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all. It is not directly linked to accessibility, but it is still
>>> relevant to the blind. In my opinion We must have a collective opinion 
>>> on
>>> laws like "Stand Your ground."
>>>
>>> Last week I was stopped by someone to ask me why I was carrying this. I
>>> realized with some difficulty that 'this' referred to my cane. This guy
>>> said
>>> that he thought I was carrying a weapon in my hands. It's a law in
>>> Florida
>>> that you can shoot someone if you suspect an individual to be dangerous.
>>> He
>>> did not shoot me, but he could have and law enforcement wouldn't be able
>>> to
>>> do anything to him. National Rifles Association is using its clout to
>>> force
>>> similar laws everywhere in the US. They are using their stooges in the
>>> Congress to bypass all state laws about guns so that guns are 
>>> uniformally
>>> allowed everywhere. Such laws are obviously disadvantageous to the blind
>>> and
>>> those who cannot afford guns, as law enforcement is sent a signal that 
>>> an
>>> individual can/has to protect himself. Please call your senators to stop
>>> this madness from happening. These laws will certainly not pass, and 
>>> will
>>> be hopefully vetoed  if they do, but you
>>> should still make your voices be heard. The information to contact them,
>>> and background to s2188 and 2213 follows.
>>>
>>> Americans are demanding justice for Trayvon Martin, the 17-year old boy
>>> who
>>> was shot and killed by self-appointed "neighborhood watchman" George
>>> Zimmerman.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the U.S. Congress is responding by working to let
>>> Trayvon's
>>> killer and other people with violent arrest records and a history of
>>> domestic abuse carry concealed, loaded guns in all 50 states.
>>>
>>> Allies of the extremist gun lobby, led by Senators Begich, Manchin, 
>>> Thune
>>> and Vitter, just introduced bills (S.2188 and S.2213) that would gut
>>> state
>>> laws that determine who can -- and more importantly, who can't -- walk
>>> our
>>> streets carrying hidden, loaded guns. In the wake of this tragic
>>> shooting,
>>> these bills are irrational and unthinkable.
>>>
>>> Send a message to your Senators: "Don't authorize George Zimmerman and
>>> others with a history of domestic violence to carry hidden, loaded guns
>>> in
>>> any state in the country."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Long before he shot and killed an unarmed teenager, George Zimmerman was
>>> arrested for attacking a police officer and was the subject of a court
>>> order
>>> to prevent domestic violence. But thanks to Florida's deeply flawed gun
>>> laws, law enforcement officers have never been able to revoke his 
>>> license
>>> to
>>> carry a loaded gun.
>>>
>>> These controversial bills before Congress would make Zimmerman's gun
>>> permit
>>> and permits from every other state valid anywhere in the country -- even
>>> though many states have robust standards that would be completely
>>> scrapped.
>>>
>>> That's why we need to make sure our senators know we expect them to vote
>>> these reckless bills down -- because when it comes to OUR LIVES, it
>>> should
>>> be OUR LAWS.
>>>
>>> Thanks for speaking out,
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