[Nfbf-l] Important: Submitted foryour Approval --ProposedConstitutional Amendment.
David Evans
drevans at bellsouth.net
Wed May 23 21:42:07 UTC 2012
Dear All,
This is not allowed as this is "proxy voting" which is a vote submitted by a
third party on behalf of a member who is not present.
David Evans, NFBF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Hicks" <danjhicks at yahoo.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Important: Submitted foryour
Approval --ProposedConstitutional Amendment.
> Very good point. And I don't think National would approve any changes
> which did not include nominations fr the floor.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 20, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Cathy Koyanagi <cakoyanagi at samobile.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kirk,
>> This sounds like a good idea, except it would cause a conflict with the
>> part of the consistution that says nominations must be allowed from the
>> floor.
>> Cathy-Alice
>> Original message:
>>> Dan, Let me throw this at all to ponder! What if we had a set time
>>> frame in
>>> which all Florida chapters held an election locally for their state
>>> candidates prior to the convention and elected a delegate to attend the
>>> general assembly representing those votes in their prospective
>>> chapters(perhaps the delegate could be one of their chapter board
>>> members?(. This would give our less financially able, or members with
>>> ill
>>> health the ability to feel like they are still able to contribute to a
>>> part
>>> of our state decisions as well as bring less people, more votes to the
>>> floor! I do not believe this will reduce our attendance any, as most
>>> that
>>> wish to go will continue. It will just simplify our voting and the time
>>> involved as well as allow all of us when we cannot attend the good
>>> feeling
>>> of at least being able to contribute our vote and still be heard, albeit
>>> it
>>> silently if prefered. It would be Democracy at it's best! The individual
>>> chapters could even vote by secret ballot if necessary, and their
>>> chapter
>>> board could tally them and submit a ssealed count for the state
>>> conventions
>>> general assembly to validate! Just an idea from one ,member. Kirk
>>
>>
>>
>>> Kirk Harmon
>>> DA V national blind chapter
>>> Life member
>>
>>> BVA/FRG
>>> Life member
>>
>>> NFB & FCB
>>> member
>>> " A smile can change a persons life, try it sometime!"
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Cathy Koyanagi" <cakoyanagi at samobile.net>
>>> To: <kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com>
>>> Cc: <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 11:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Important: Submitted for your
>>> Approval --ProposedConstitutional Amendment.
>>
>>
>>> Easy fix is to have each person put their ballot into an envelope and
>>> seal it, then they can be picked up by designated election officials.
>>> Cathy-Alice
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Holly,
>>>> Do you mean that you observed people tearing off an additional
>>>> corner or tearing off a corner when there was no corners torn off? I
>>>> really
>>>> do not see any way around that. I want each person to put their ballot
>>>> in
>>>> the container for counting so there can be no alterations.
>>
>>>> Kathy
>>
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Holly
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 7:26 PM
>>>> To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Important: Submitted for your Approval
>>>> --ProposedConstitutional Amendment.
>>
>>>> Kathy,
>>>> I tend to agree with you. I would also like a different way to collect
>>>> the
>>>> secret ballot, as well. I have seen people change the ballots as they
>>>> were
>>>> past down the isle. At that point, I did not feel that I could do
>>>> anything
>>>> about it.
>>>> Holly
>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On May 19, 2012, at 7:18 PM, "Kathy Davis" <kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Hi Dan,
>>>>> I totally oppose your proposed amendment to the NFBF Constitution.
>>>>> You and I have always held differing opinions on the matter of secret
>>>>> ballots.
>>>>> The fact is that I do not want to stand up publically or even raise
>>>>> my hand so members will know exactly how I vote. I may respect several
>>>>> members running for office but I do not want them to be cognizant of
>>>>> how I choose to vote. Hurt feelings that can be long-lasting in
>>>>> nature would likely result.
>>>>> Even though the majority of the voting members are blind, many have
>>>>> enough vision to see how folks cast their votes and of course, we have
>>>>> many sighted members who will also be part of the election process.
>>>>> Don't think for a minute that a given candidate will not learn from
>>>>> other
>>>> members what
>>>>> they observed pertaining to how others cast their votes
>>>>> To take my position a bit further and a little more concrete, let
>>>>> me add an example. It's a really terrible situation when two of my
>>>>> really good friends are running for the same office such as Second
>>>>> Vice President. This situation has occurred on numerous occasions
>>>>> throughout the years I have been part of the NFBF. For example, let's
>>>>> say that Sherrill O'Brien is running against Gloria Hicks. I may
>>>>> choose to vote for Gloria but I would feel horrible for Sherrill to
>>>>> know that I voted against her because I value both candidates'
>>>>> friendship. After all, we are an organization that has worked for
>>>>> years and years for voters to have the right to vote in secret and in
>>>> private.
>>>>> Sorry my friend, but I can never support your amendment! Moreover,
>>>>> elections are far too important to get caught up in making our
>>>>> elections be over and done with in the quickest manner possible. If
>>>>> only one voting member is uncomfortable about voting publically, that
>>>>> member should have the right to call for a secret ballot. I hope
>>>>> others will jump in and share their views on this matter.
>>
>>
>>>>> Your friend and longtime colleague,
>>
>>>>> Kathy Davis
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Dan Hicks
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:47 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Important: Submitted for your Approval --
>>>>> ProposedConstitutional Amendment.
>>
>>>>> Fellow NFBF Members,
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> As Rod Serling used to say in the beginning minutes of "The Twilight
>>>> Zone,"
>>>>> 'Submitted for your approval."
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Some of you may recall that at our 2011 NFBF Convention, we approved
>>>>> an amendment to the constitution which changed and simplified the way
>>>>> chapters designate their representatives.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> During this convention, I mentioned another amendment that I wish to
>>>>> see passed, and will be voted on at this year's convention.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> ARTICLE IV: ELECTIONS
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Now reads:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> ARTICLE IV: ELECTIONS
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Elections shall be conducted by a majority vote of the active members
>>>>> present and voting at an annually held business meeting. Election
>>>>> shall be by voice vote, standing vote, show of hands, roll call vote,
>>>>> or secret ballot. Secret marked ballots shall be required upon the
>>>>> request of any active member present and voting. There shall be no
>>>>> proxy voting. If no nominee receives a majority vote on the first
>>>>> ballot, the name of the person receiving the fewest votes shall be
>>>>> dropped from the list of nominees, and a second ballot shall be taken.
>>>>> This procedure shall continue until one of the nominees has received a
>>>>> majority vote from the active members present and voting.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Proposed Change:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> ARTICLE IV: ELECTIONS
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Elections shall be conducted by a majority vote of the active members
>>>>> present and voting at an annually held business meeting. Election
>>>>> shall be by voice vote, standing vote, show of hands, roll call vote,
>>>>> or secret ballot. Secret marked ballots shall be required upon the
>>>>> request of a majority of the active member present and voting. There
>>>>> shall be no proxy voting. If no nominee receives a majority vote on
>>>>> the first ballot, the name of the person receiving the fewest votes
>>>>> shall be dropped from the list of nominees, and a second ballot shall
>>>>> be taken. This procedure shall continue until one of the nominees has
>>>>> received a majority vote from the active members present and voting.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> I am putting this out now so that we can talk about it and debate its
>>>>> merits via NFBF-L before the start of convention.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Let me just say that we spend something like 45 minutes each
>>>>> convention passing out, collecting, and counting secret ballots at our
>>>> conventions.
>>>>> This year, the number of offices up for vote could make this time grow
>>>>> to an hour or more. We usually have about 120 people voting the final
>>>>> day of convention. That's 120 collective hours - the equivalent of
>>>>> five twenty-four hour days - of valuable convention time that we waste
>>>>> on a procedure which a majority of us may not want.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Please note that my proposed amendment does not eliminate secret
>>>>> balloting; it just changes our constitution to call for a secret
>>>>> ballot only if the majority of the members present and voting wish to
>>>>> have
>>>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Please take a look at this and give it your consideration. Feel free
>>>>> to share your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Dan Hicks, President
>>
>>>>> NFB of Florida
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> "It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars."
>>
>>
>>>>> -Garrison Keillor
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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