[Nfbf-l] Subject: Re: Important: Submitted for your Approval -ProposedConstitutional Amendment.

Fri May 25 05:00:43 UTC 2012

David Evans,
   You mention in your comments, "shut my chapter down", perhaps you 
took it personal, but it is the members chapter.
    The conspiracy theory of ACB vs. NFB comes across as unnecessary 
paranoia. There is no need for this belief, it is faulty thinking.
   We should be building bridges not tearing them down.  We should let 
go of the anger and move on productively and with positive purpose.  We 
should look toward the future not stuck on “in the past”.   Progress 
and the future are components to our organizations success, which each 
of us take pride in.
It appears to me that perhaps some persons in leader roles have had 
little experience in other organizations that would have enhanced their 
potential for effective and appropriate leadership skills and communication.
  One thing I learned is that all organizations grow, learn, and move 
forward.    Change is growth and the past is a foundation, but it 
should never be the only view.  Growth.  Moving ahead.  Change.  
Building membership and retaining membership are primary.  How many 
have left because they do not want the stress of hostile reactions, 
bullying, or persistent ineffective leadership?  Let's have solid 
leadership with well run meetings that are organized and functional.   
Preparation.  Guest speakers.  Sincere fellowship.  Purposeful agendas. 
A welcoming atmosphere.  These characteristics would be great 
foundation and chances are we would find the new members rolling in.  
It is worth a try.
  .
 Cathy-Alice

Original message:

> Dear Mr. Clark,

> I agree that there are some areas where the two organizations have and still
> do work together and I for one do try to seek those opportunities out and
> make them work.
> However, I am still and officer in the NFB and must uphold its policies and
> Constitution.
> I was not always as weary of the ACB and did not think the the policy was
> needed, until the local ACB chapter tried to shut my chapter down and vote
> it out of existence.
> I managed to stop them, but my chapter still bears the scars today.
> At one point I had the largest chapter in the organization with some 203
> members on the roll.
> We raised some $10,000 to $ 18,000 a year and we spent the money on our
> membership to attend national and state events.
> I hope to get back to that level again.

> David Evans, NFBF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patricia A. Lipovsky" <plipovsky at cfl.rr.com>
> To: <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:54 PM
> Subject: Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Important: Submitted for your
> Approval -ProposedConstitutional Amendment.

>> Hi David.

>> Actually there are some folks that are already working together on certain
>> issues from both organizations. You are correct in your statement that
>> both organizations do have a very similar goal, however, there are some
>> folks that feel we can work together, and some that feel we can't. .  This
>> is true to a certain degree. As someone already stated, its kind of like
>> your either a Republican or Democrat. You can't be both. Having said that,
>> there have been certain issues where we have worked together, but some
>> where we were on total opposite ends of the spectrum. I personally feel
>> that we should try and work together as much as we can as both
>> organizations really do have something in common which is blindness.

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: David Clarke <dbclarke99 at gmail.com>
>> To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>,
>> Date: Thursday, May 24, 2012 03:07:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Important: Submitted for your
>> Approval -ProposedConstitutional Amendment.

>>> Dear Mr. Evens,

>>> I absolutely agree that the organizations (in fact, any on the list) have
>>> the right to set their own rules (as long as in writing and voted on by
>>> the
>>> membership).  I just question the wisdom, since the goals of the
>>> organizations are really similar.    Maybe some day I can convince people
>>> involved in the Bl/Visually impaired community to get together... or at
>>> least work together.

>>> Dave

>>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:36 PM, David Evans <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>> wrote:

>>>> Dear Mr.Clark,

>>>> These other organizations have nothing to do with the NFB or ACB.
>>>> As a private membership organization, the NFB as well as the ACB, have
>>>> the
>>>> right to place restrictions upon their membership, as do other
>>>> organizations, such as the Lion's, J.C.'s, Masons, etc, etc.
>>>> You will not find Democrats holding office in the Republican party and
>>>> vicea versa.
>>>> They have opposing philosophy and approaches to just about everything.
>>>>  The same holds with the NFB and the ACB.
>>>> The two organizations just do not see eye to eye or agree on a lot of
>>>> things, logic not withstanding.
>>>> By the way, its a nice list and I think I will save in a flolder,

>>>> Thanks,.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Clarke"
>>>> <dbclarke99 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Important: Submitted for your Approval
>>>> -ProposedConstitutional Amendment.

>>>> ar
>>>>>> "As per policy, no member of the ACB can hold office or be a
>>>>>> committee
>>>>>> chair in the NFB at any level.  They can be a rank and file member,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> long as they are a ACB member, they can not hold an office."

>>>> ar
>>>> ar  I am constantly confused by this reasoning and the "us vs them"
>>>>>> mentality.
>>>>>>  Has nothing changed since the 1960s?

>>>> ar
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Below is a partial list of the organizations in the United States
>>>> that
>>>> ar service the Blind and visually-impaired  (I have left
>>>> ar out ophthalmology organizations and removed Canadian Organizations).
>>>> ar
>>>> ar American Council of the Blind
>>>> ar
>>>> ar American Foundation for the Blind
>>>> ar
>>>> ar American Macular Degeneration Foundation
>>>> ar
>>>> ar American Printing House for the Blind
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and
>>>> Visually
>>>> ar Impaired
>>>> ar
>>>> ar The Association for Research in Vision and Ophthalomology
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Blind Veterans Association
>>>> ar
>>>> ar ElderWeb (National Resources for Seniors)
>>>> ar
>>>> ar EyeCare America - National Eye Care Project (For Seniors)
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Foundation Fighting Blindness
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Foundation For Blind Children
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc.
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Helen Keller National Center for Deaf-Blind Youth and Adults
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Jewish Braille Institute of America
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Jewish Guild For The Blind
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Lighthouse Central Florida
>>>> ar
>>>> ar The Macula Foundation, Inc.
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Macular Degeneration Foundation
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Macular Degeneration Partnership
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Macular Degeneration Research
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Macular Degeneration Support
>>>> ar
>>>> ar National Alliance of Blind Students
>>>> ar
>>>> ar National Association for Parents of Children with Visual Impairments
>>>> ar
>>>> ar National Association For Visually Handicapped
>>>> ar
>>>> ar National Eye Institute
>>>> ar
>>>> ar National Federation of the Blind
>>>> ar
>>>> ar National Industries for the Blind
>>>> ar
>>>> ar The National Information Center for Children and Youth with
>>>> Disabilities
>>>> ar (NICHY)
>>>> ar
>>>> ar National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research
>>>> ar
>>>> ar National Organization for Rare Disorders
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Northwest Association for Blind Athletes
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Ocular Nutrition Society
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Pilot Dogs, Inc.
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Prevent Blindness America
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Research to Prevent Blindness
>>>> ar
>>>> ar The Seeing Eye, Inc.
>>>> ar
>>>> ar The Statler Center
>>>> ar
>>>> ar United States Association of Blind Athletes
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Can someone name any OTHER of these organizations prohibiting boards
>>>> on
>>>> ar two
>>>> ar of these organizations, other than ACB(FCB) and NFB(NFBF)?   This
>>>> list
>>>> ar doesn't even include Lions, for some reason.
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Again, this "us vs them" attitude in an age where the blind and
>>>> ar visually-impaired could use a lot of help baffles me.  There is no
>>>> choice
>>>> ar of loyalty involved.
>>>> ar
>>>> ar Dave Clarke
>>>> ar
>>>> ar
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