[Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens tocarrygunslegally

Wed Sep 11 23:24:23 UTC 2013

Dearest Bob,
You have taken my remarks too personally.  While it is true that criminals 
invade for profit, have you ever been invaded?  Now, be careful with the use 
of the word DUMMY because that's exactly what I thought of you, and your 
initial comments. Remember, what I said was my opinion, and doesn't have 
relevance unless you make it so.

Sincerely,
Willie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens 
tocarrygunslegally

> Willie:
>
> With all due respect, that is undoubtedly one of the dumbest comments
> that I have ever read on this listserv and believe me, there have been
> several.
>
> Why would you assume that invading my residence would not be
> profitable for thieves?  Perhaps, you reflect many of the
> stereotypical attitudes that persist concerning blind people.
>
> Have a great day.
>
>          Bob Clark
>
>
> On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Well Bob.
>> your poitis well taken, however, why would anyone want to invade your 
>> home
>> or premises without former knowledge of a profitable gain?  I think that 
>> you
>>
>> should protect your  home, and family is admirable, but thieves only 
>> invade
>>
>> premises when it is profitable.  Violence is not the answer.
>>
>> Willie Lucas
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to
>> carrygunslegally
>>
>>
>>> Hello Mark:
>>>
>>> Well, since I don't know your position on this issue, I don't know if
>>> this will get you started or not.
>>>
>>> I am a totally blind gun owner and have owned a gun for the last 10
>>> years.  Although I seldom carry it, I do have the right and have on
>>> several occasions when certain situations dictated.
>>>
>>> My primary reason for owning a gun is to protect my family as well as
>>> myself in case of home invasion.  I can think of nothing worse than to
>>> be held as a defenseless hostage while someone threatened my family.
>>>
>>> If one is responsible and is properly trained, there is absolutely no
>>> reason why a blind person should not own a gun for personal protection
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> Finally based upon your signature, one can conclude that you are a
>>> liberal as well as a pacifist.  That is your choice but don't impose
>>> your opinions on other people.
>>>
>>> Have a great day.
>>>
>>>          Bob Clark
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/10/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>> Do not, and I do mean do not, get me started on this one.  I will 
>>>> bridle
>>>>
>>>> my
>>>>
>>>> tongue so I don't start a controversy, but it's darn hard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alan Dicey
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:54 AM
>>>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry
>>>> gunslegally
>>>>
>>>>     Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry guns legally
>>>> By Robert Kingett, disability reporter.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Kingett is a blind journalist in Chicago who covers anything and
>>>> everything disability, including sports, human-interest stories, and
>>>> advocacy reports. He was ranked as top disability journalist by the
>>>> staffin
>>>>
>>>> august. To have Robert cover your disability event or story, please
>>>> visit
>>>> his website. www.robertkingett.com
>>>>
>>>> Sep 8, 2013 - 6 hours ago in Politics
>>>> Iowa - Recently a state law was passed that would allow blind and
>>>> visually
>>>> impaired people in Iowa to carry firearms. Residents and advocacy 
>>>> agents
>>>> have varying opinions on the issue.
>>>> No one questions the legality of the permits. State law does not allow
>>>> sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on physical
>>>> ability.
>>>> The quandary centers squarely on public safety. Advocates for the
>>>> disabled
>>>> and Iowa law enforcement officers disagree over whether it's a good 
>>>> idea
>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>> visually disabled Iowans to have weapons.
>>>> On one side: People such as Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington, who
>>>> demonstrated for this report how blind people can be taught to shoot
>>>> guns.
>>>> And Jane Hudson, executive director of Disability Rights Iowa, who says
>>>> blocking visually impaired people from the right to obtain weapon
>>>> permits
>>>> would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.  That federal law
>>>> generally prohibits different treatment based on disabilities.
>>>> On the other side: People such as Dubuque County Sheriff Don Vrotsos,
>>>> who
>>>> said he wouldn't issue a permit to someone who is blind. And Patrick
>>>> Clancy,
>>>>
>>>> superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, who says
>>>> guns
>>>> may be a rare exception to his philosophy that blind people can
>>>> participate
>>>>
>>>> fully in life.
>>>> Private gun ownership - even hunting - by visually impaired Iowans is
>>>> nothing new. But the practice of visually impaired residents legally
>>>> carrying firearms in public became widely possible thanks to gun permit
>>>> changes that took effect in Iowa in 2011.
>>>> "It seems a little strange, but the way the law reads, we can't deny 
>>>> them
>>>>
>>>> (a
>>>>
>>>> permit) just based on that one thing," said Sgt. Jana Abens, a
>>>> spokeswoman
>>>> for the Polk County sheriff's office, referring to a visual disability.
>>>> Polk County officials say they've issued weapons permits to at least
>>>> three
>>>> people who can't legally drive and were unable to read the application
>>>> forms
>>>>
>>>> or had difficulty doing so because of visual impairments.
>>>> And sheriffs in three other counties - Jasper, Kossuth and Delaware -
>>>> say
>>>> they have granted permits to residents who they believe have severe
>>>> visual
>>>> impairments.
>>>> "I'm not an expert in vision," Delaware Sheriff John LeClere said. "At
>>>> what
>>>>
>>>> point do vision problems have a detrimental effect to fire a firearm? 
>>>> If
>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you
>>>> probably
>>>>
>>>> shouldn't be shooting.
>>>>
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