[Nfbf-l] [NFBF-l] Letter Opposing Dining in the Dark
kaye zimpher
kaye.j.zimpher at gmail.com
Wed Oct 17 11:51:43 UTC 2018
Hello:
I have continued to read the messages regarding this topic, and there is one
point that has not been brought up. The fact is simple, the NFB opposes
Dining in the Dark. It is not just the people on this list, or Marion
himself, it is our national organization that opposes this activity. Their
reasons are clear, and as Federationists, it is our responsability to
protect our brand and values. You would not go to your catholic Priest and
ask that he start teaching the baptist doctrine would you? Whether it is an
NFB fundraiser, or an activity for an organization not affiliated with the
NFB, as members we are asked to show federationism everywhere we go. We have
to really be careful when we start crossing those lines. It sounds like
Cathy's event was well attended, and I'm certain all involved had a nice
time, and the organization who benefitted was pleased with the results, but
from what I read, it was not an NFB fundraiser. If a chapter decided to have
such a fundraiser, questions can and should be raised. All the same, even a
non-NFB fundraiser being held by federationists has to be implemented with
care.
----- Original Message -----
From: "PLipovsky via Nfbf-l" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "'NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List'" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "PLipovsky" <plipovsky at cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] [NFBF-l] Letter Opposing Dining in the Dark
> First, I want to say it's been very interesting reading everyone's
> comments regarding this issue. I can actually see both sides of this
> coin.
>
> Realistically speaking, I an se where some would come away from these
> simulation experiences with a great respect for a person who is visually
> impaired. There have been some folks in our area that have said things
> like "man, I don't know how you do it, I give you a lot of credit." And
> then there are those who have said "Oh my God, I feel so bad for you, how
> do you manage." It is up to us through interaction with the general
> public to show them we are people just like they are in spite of our
> visual impairment.
>
> As I understand it, The main point that is being made here though is
> regarding the research, which states there is more negative responses from
> these simulations then there are positive ones. I personally have not
> checked this out, but I assume what Marian is saying is true? Whether all
> the members of this organization agree with these simulations or not is
> another story.
>
> Again, just my two sense!!
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbf-l <nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala via
> Nfbf-l
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:27 PM
> To: 'NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List' <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Marion Gwizdala <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] [NFBF-l] Letter Opposing Dining in the Dark
>
> Brian,
>
> I appreciate your message and the sharing of your anecdotal experience.
> Though this may have been your casual observation, the scientific research
> on the subject reveals a very different outcome. There are many, for
> instance, who firmly believe that the MMR vaccinations cause autism;
> however, there is no scientific evidence to support this claim. As the
> result, parents who hold this fallacious belief, threaten the health and
> safety of other children. Similarly, those who hold the false belief that
> simulation exercises share with the sighted what it is like to be blind,
> ignoring the research to the contrary, compromise the fundamental tenet of
> the National Federation of the Blind that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines us by focusing the attention on our blindness,
> not on the nonvisual skills we have developed to perform those tasks many
> believe require eyesight. If the goal is to tug at the heart strings and,
> subsequently, the purse strings of the sighted, simulation exercises
> certainly do this. If the goal is to raise the expectations of the blind,
> simulation exercises fail miserably!
>
> The original letter I wrote and posted to this list contains a link to a
> literature review of the research written by a social psychologist, as
> well as an article from the Braille Monitor by President Riccobono about
> the pitfalls of simulation exercises. In my opinion, ignoring the research
> on simulation exercises is as irresponsible as failing to vaccinate our
> children; both compromise the goal of creating a healthy, inclusive
> society! Here are the links for those who find logic and science
> informative.
>
> Walking a Mile: The Possibilities and Pitfalls of Simulations by Mark
> Riccobono
> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm17/bm1704/bm170402.htm
>
> Disability Simulations: What Does the Research Say?
> By Ariel Silverman, Ph.D.
> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm17/bm1706/bm170602.htm
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbf-l [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brian Norton
> via Nfbf-l
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 1:12 AM
> To: nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Brian Norton
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] [NFBF-l] Letter Opposing Dining in the Dark
>
> I have not previously attended a Dining in the Dark event. However, when
> my friend Kathy Davis informed me that our local Center for the Visually
> Impaired recently had its annual rent increased by the present Tallahassee
> administration and DBS from its previous nominal annual lease charge to an
> increased rent of $50,000 I had no alternative except to help. My personal
> experience that dinner evening with the many sighted persons attending was
> best described by empathy, rather than sympathy or fear. Kathy and I
> discussed to our table-mates the challenges of eating out in restaurants
> and showed them some training tips which made the whole experience
> pleasant and often humorous. The woman sitting next to me initially showed
> anxiety and fear, but I held her hand and discussed my emotional distress
> upon becoming blind in my middle age. I explained that my fears
> disappeared as I gained adaptive knowledge from workers at places similar
> to the CVI. I explained that such learning is provided by CVI free to all
> blind persons, and alternative state agency training was unfortunately
> insufficient. Chris Dixon spoke confidently of his traumatic teenage
> accident which stole his vision at 16 years old, the resulting emotional
> distress, and his
> wonderful emergence from self pity and dependence into a successful
> educated professional.
> The Center for the Visually Impaired through Dining in the Dark
> donations raised thousands of dollars to keep its doors open for blind
> adaptive and accessible training without charge to students of all ages.
> I believe the hundreds of dinner guests realized that blind persons can be
> confident and successful at more than just eating in the dark, and that
> contributing to educational centers for blind motivated individuals is a
> noble form of charity. It is wrong to assume that persons donate time and
> money out of pity rather than kindness, compassion, and love of others.
> Blind persons receive many special social, economic, and political
> benefits. I do not believe that
> receiving these special services make blind persons the object of
> pity. White Cane laws, favored social security disability status, the
> state agency DBS, and even favored treatment to Guide dog users do not
> necessarily interfere with a blind person’s motivation and self-image.
> Taking advantage of these favored status benefits assist blind persons to
> more fully enjoy life independently in spite of their physical
> impairments. I never felt any pity from contributors at the recent CVI
> Dining in the Dark event. To the contrary, the various sighted guests were
> amazed to realize that I was totally blind. They were very interested in
> my story of adapting my life successfully to the
> challenges of losing my vision,while still retaining my positive
> self image, motivation, and humor. Blindness does not define me, and every
> day is a new adventure. , .
>
> Brian Norton, J.D.
> NFB Greater Daytona Beach President
> Florida NFB Deaf Blind Vice President
> NFB National DB Division Board Member
>
>
> Original message:
>> Kathy this is well written. You have been blessed and in turn have
>> helped many blind people in your community and beyond. There are many
>> ways of teaching people about blindness that are you effective. Thank
>> you.
>> Marilyn Baldwin
>
>> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Kathy Davis via Nfbf-l <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>
>>> Beautifully stated Brook! I totally concur with you! I have raised 3
>>> sighted children as a blind mother, worked for 30 years as a
>>> counselor and teacher at Daytona State College, founded the Center
>>> for the Visually Impaired, carved out a new life for myself after my
>>> beloved husband was called home to the Lord, engaged in a myriad of
>>> community activities, lived alone for almost 15 years now, graduated
>>> from the Louisiana Center for the Blind in my sixties and on and on.
>>> By no means do I consider myself a victim but instead strive to be an
>>> example to others who have recently lost their sight or were not
>>> blessed with parents like I had who made me believe I could do most
>>> anything. Sure, there are things I truly wish I could do like drive a
>>> car, see my children and grandchildren's faces, enjoy photographs
>>> like was once the case but then most of us have some sort of
>>> disability or challenge that make some things not doable.
>>> I am all about dining in the dark events and have chaired two of them
>>> for the Center for the Visually Impaired, a wonderful agency I
>>> founded back in the late eighties. Although our guest all dine in
>>> complete darkness, I am able to address the guests when the lights
>>> come on once more. At that time, I stress the fact that blindness
>>> doesn't have to hold us back from achieving most of our hopes and
>>> dreams once we learn the crucial skills of blindness. Our guests
>>> learn a whole lot from the event and so much interest is stimulated
>>> about the worth of the Center for the Visually Impaired. Many want to
>>> observe the training activities we provide and make a donation to
>>> support our mission. No, I do not feel like a victim. Instead, with
>>> God's help and guidance from the NFB and CVI as well as the Louisiana
>>> Center for the Blind, I am able to lead a very active and productive
>>> life. I particularly enjoy reaching out to other blind and visually
>>> impaired folks who need my guidance and support.
>
>>> With warmest regards,
>
>>> Kathy Davis
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfbf-l [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> PLipovsky via Nfbf-l
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:11 PM
>>> To: 'NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List'
>>> Cc: PLipovsky
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Letter Opposing Dining in the Dark
>
>>> Wow Brook, that was excellently stated.
>
>>> I too love that little jem of a quote, "be yourself, everyone else is
>>> already taken".
>
>>> I personally have never thought of myself as a victim, but someone
>>> who can do what she wans, when she wants. I've never let anyone tell
>>> me I couldn't do anything, although I know as a person living with
>>> vision loss there are definitely limitations. For instance, I'll
>>> never be a brain surgeon, but then this also applies to a whole bunch
>>> of other folks sighted or not.
>
>>> Anyway, just adding my two sense. Hope you are doing well.
>
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFBF-l <nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Brooke Evans
>>> via Nfbf-l
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 11:55 AM
>>> To: nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Brooke Evans <brooke6358 at aol.com>; nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Letter Opposing Dining in the Dark
>
>>> Bah humbug! I say.
>
>>> I have read every word posted on the dining in the dark opinions,
>>> which are not always in sync with all people at any given time.
>
>>> Briefly, I support any activity I can use as a tool to enhance my
>>> life not only as a blind, low vision person but a blind profoundly
>>> hard of hearing person diagnosed as deaf blind.
>
>>> What I hear throughout all I read has been the blind are still
>>> perpetuating the idea that we are a victim of society. I am not a
>>> victim of society. As a blind woman with profound hearing loss I have
>>> engaged in education about my own way of living life as I moved
>>> through my life as a young child, student, wife, mother of four,
>>> grandmother, great-grandmother, supporting a career military husband
>>> for 28 years, working part time, full part time, whatever was needed
>>> to help the family coppers and never ever thinking I was a victim of my
>>> own circumstances.
>
>>> Any event, such as dining in the dark, to me is an invaluable tool
>>> for myself as well as four others in my life circles. I have
>>> attended for dining in the dark events in the past 10 years and
>>> believe it or not, I have learned more about my own self through
>>> these events which has given me a wider perspective on blindness and
>>> how to communicate that to my family, and people in the public square.
>
>>> Just giving my humble opinion here which was hugely expanded when I
>>> saw a “hashtag” gem of a quote, by one of our very own NFB
>>> Floridians.
>
>>> This nugget told me to* “be yourself. Everybody else is taken.”
>
>>> This little Oscar Wilde gem tells me I am not a victim of the world
>>> I see. I am walking through life as everyone else walks through life...
>>> experiencing and lending my understanding to those whom I meet along
>>> my journey, and this includes events such as dining in the dark.
>
>>> I appreciate the psychological data and what it takes to build data
>>> but we are no longer avictim of anything but ourselves. Take a look
>>> at what we have accomplished in nearly 80 years of advocacy, tough
>>> advocacy, breaking down all manner of barriers. The list is long.
>>> This is now 2018 and for me all that has gone before me has helped me
>>> to come into this moment of wisdom.
>
>>> Thank you for listening.
>
>>> Brooke Evans
>
>>> Ask yourself: “do I dare shake up the universe?” ~T.S. Eliot
>
>
>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>
>>> From: Marion Gwizdala via NFBF-l <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: October 10, 2018 at 8:06:13 PM EDT
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Tampa Chapter List" <nfbf-tampa at nfbnet.org>, "NFB
>>> of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Marion Gwizdala <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Letter Opposing Dining in the Dark
>>> Reply-To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>
>>> Dear Florida Federation Family,
>
>
>
>>> A week or so ago, I sent a message to these lists
>>> concerning Dining in the Dark fund raising events. These messages
>>> were triggered by a Tampa Bay chapter member who, in spite of knowing
>>> the National Federation of the Blind's opposition to such events,
>>> announced one being hosted by the Tampa Lighthouse for the Blind. I
>>> understand another community rehabilitation program (CRP) is hosting
>>> such an event. As per my previous message, it is the policy of the
>>> NFB to voice our opposition to such events when we learn of them and
>>> to encourage those conducting them to reconsider an event that only
>>> serves to reinforce the negative stereotypes of blindness and demean
>>> the blind they purport to serve.
>
>
>
>>> As the president of the National Association of Guide
>>> Dog Users and with the encouragement of President Riccobono, I have
>>> written the message below with the unanimous consent of the NAGDU
>>> board of directors. I encourage you to read this message, along with
>>> the supporting supplemental information accompanying it so you are
>>> better educated about our rationale for opposing these sort of events.
>
>
>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>
>>> From: president at nagdu.org [mailto:president at nagdu.org]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 4:00 PM
>>> To: 'cbenninger at guidedogs.com'
>>> Cc: board at nagdu.org; officeofthepresident at nfb.org
>>> Subject: Concerning Canine Heroes Auction
>>> Importance: High
>
>
>
>
>
>>> Dear Ms. Benninger,
>
>>> Via Email: CBenninger at guidedogs.com
>
>>> I am writing on behalf of the National Association of Guide
>>> Dog Users (NAGDU), a division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>> (NFB), concerning Guide Dogs for the Blind's intention to use a
>>> blindness simulation episode during its upcoming Canine Heroes Auction.
>>> Though the National Federation of the Blind is a proponent of the use
>>> of learning shades - sometimes referred to as "sleep shades" - to
>>> effectively train individuals in the techniques of blindness, we
>>> object to the use of simulation as a fund raising technique. Whether
>>> intended or not, simulation exercises tend to invoke fear and pity in
>>> the participants, compromising the goals of the National Federation
>>> of the Blind and, I would hope, those of guide dogs for the Blind.
>
>
>
>>> Placing a blindfold on a sighted person does not help the
>>> person understand what it is like to be blind; rather, such simulations
>>> only serve to reinforce the negative stereotypes and misconceptions
>>> that compromise our ability to fully participate in our community as we
>>> strive to live the lives we want. This is not only the opinion of the
>>> National Federation of the Blind; it is also the conclusions of
>>> research in simulation exercises conducted by social psychologists. A
>>> blindfolded sighted person will not encounter a waitress asking their
>>> 5-year-old what her father wants to drink, strangers grabbing and
>>> pushing the blind person where the well-meaning individual thinks they
>>> are wanting to go, A doctor asking the blind person who bathes them, or
>>> the condescending comments of pity offered by the public, all incidents
>>> I and nearly every other blind person have experienced.
>
>
>
>>> We realize the importance of raising funds to continue the
>>> work of Guide Dogs for the Blind; however, we object to the
>>> exploitation of the fear of blindness and the demeaning of the blind as
>>> the tool for raising those funds. We believe the Canine Heroes Auction
>>> would be just as successful without the simulation episode and urge
>>> Guide Dogs for the Blind to publicly join the National Association of
>>> Guide Dog Users and the National Federation of the Blind by condemning
>>> and opposing the use of simulation exercises as a fund raising
>>> technique.
>
>
>
>>> For your information, I have attached the text of Resolution
>>> 2012-04 condemning the use of simulation exercises as a fund raising
>>> event.
>>> I am also including below links to two articles which recently appeared
>>> in the Braille Monitor, the monthly publication of the National
>>> Federation of the Blind. One of these articles is written by Mark
>>> Riccobono, president of the National Federation of the Blind, and the
>>> second by Dr. Ariel Silverman, a Social Psychologist.
>
>
>
>>> Walking a Mile: The Possibilities and Pitfalls of Simulations by Mark
>>> Riccobono
>
>>> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm17/bm1704/bm170402.htm
>
>
>
>>> Disability Simulations: What Does the Research Say?
>
>>> By Ariel Silverman, Ph.D.
>
>>> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm17/bm1706/bm170602.htm
>
>
>
>>> In closing, I would like to share the spontaneous,
>>> unsolicited impressions of an executive with a major airline after
>>> attending two simulation events. "It struck me as not a realistic
>>> simulation of what it must be like for a blind person to eat a
>>> meal.After having done the exercise twice, I have learned a few of the
>>> techniques that a person might use to eat their dinner, but I have no
>>> illusions that it taught me much at all about the overall experience or
>>> skills required in life. Unfortunately, I'm sure that a large number
>>> of people who left the exercises think they learned more than they
>>> really did.
>
>
>
>>> With kind regards,
>
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
>
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>
>>> (813) 626-2789
>
>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>>> Visit our website <http://nagdu.org/>
>
>>> Follow us on Twitter <http://twitter.com/nagdu>
>
>
>
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not
>>> what holds you back.
>
>
>
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