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<P id=BlogTitle>Subminimum Wage Plan Divides Disability Advocates</P>
<DIV id=BlogDate>By Michelle Diament | July 30, 2013</DIV>
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<P>Disability advocates are split over a proposal in the U.S. Senate that would
establish limits on people with disabilities working for less than minimum
wage.</P>
<P>The Senate’s Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee is expected to
take up a reauthorization of the Workforce Investment Act on Wednesday. Within
the proposed legislation is a plan to establish first-ever requirements that
must be met before individuals with disabilities could be allowed to work for
less than the federal minimum of $7.25 per hour.</P>
<P>Currently, many with disabilities leave high school and are referred directly
to sheltered workshop environments. That would change under what’s known as
section 511 of the bill. Those with disabilities could only be placed in
subminimum-wage jobs if they meet certain age-related requirements and while
receiving job training services to prepare them for competitive employment.
What’s more, individuals age 24 or younger would be required to pursue
vocational rehabilitation services first.</P>
<P>“I believe it is critically important that every young person with a
disability have an opportunity to experience competitive, integrated employment
as they transition from school to adult life,” said Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, one
of the bill’s chief sponsors, in a statement to Disability Scoop.</P>
<P>“Without section 511 in the bill, I am very concerned that another generation
of young people with significant disabilities will end up getting tracked
directly from school to sheltered settings,” said Harkin who chairs the
committee where the bill is slated to be considered.</P>
<P>Advocates with the National Down Syndrome Society and the National Federation
of the Blind, however, say the bill does little more than provide a checklist
for vocational rehabilitation agencies that could ultimately put more
individuals at risk for low-wage employment.</P>
<P>“This provision purports to introduce protections to limit the number of
youth with disabilities who are placed in subminimum-wage employment, but will
have the unintended effect of trapping people with disabilities in dead-end,
segregated, subminimum-wage jobs with the blessing of the rehabilitation
system,” said Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of the Blind,
which is calling for the provision to be dropped from the bill.</P>
<P>The current debate comes two years after a <A
href="http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2011/07/19/plan-subminimum-wage/13562/"
target=_blank>similar effort</A> to update the Workforce Investment Act <A
href="http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2011/08/02/disability-legislation-on-hold/13666/"
target=_blank>fell apart</A>. This time around, however, Senate aides say they
have strong bipartisan support and indicated there’s a chance that a bill could
be on the president’s desk before the end of the year.</P>
<P>Groups supporting the proposal include The Arc, Easter Seals, the National
Council on Independent Living, the National Association of Councils on
Developmental Disabilities and the National Disability Rights Network.</P>
<P>“What this does is create a requirement that vocational rehabilitation
providers make an effort to achieve an employment outcome rather than just shrug
their shoulders and place people in sheltered workshops,” said Patrick Wojahn, a
public policy analyst at the National Disability Rights Network. “It’s a step in
the right direction.”</P></DIV>
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<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#1 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Neal Folsom</U> On July
30, 2013 @ 12:40 am </P>
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<P>I truly believe that the minimum wages should increase for people with
development disabilities.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#2 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Aldyth</U> On July 30,
2013 @ 9:06 am </P>
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<P>That’ll be just dynamite in Illinois, where funding for Supported Employment
has been cut so deep that most agencies have discontinued offering it as a
service option. That’ll leave a lot of folks sitting at home in front of a
television set, which is happening already because of the state having tens of
thousands on waiting lists for service.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#3 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Barb</U> On July 30, 2013
@ 9:46 am </P>
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<P>Well, currently in New York State, there is no more admissions to sheltered
workshops allowed as of July 1st. There is also a plan in place that will close
the sheltered workshops in existence within the next few years.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#4 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Greg</U> On July 30, 2013
@ 3:47 pm </P>
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<P>We cannot create equality for people with disabilities simply by putting more
money into their pockets. One of the realities of a free, capitalist society is
that workers are generally paid for their contributions toward a finished
product. If we are to retain the dignity and respect that people with
disabilities have earned over the past twenty to thirty years, they must
continue to compete in the workforce just like everyone else. To lay unearned
entitlements upon them demeans them as human beings and will undo much of the
work done toward normalization.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#5 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Kathy</U> On July 30,
2013 @ 3:56 pm </P>
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<P>The end result would take the disabled community backward. Currently at least
the most severely disabled are out of their homes, with other people, and placed
in an opportunity to see and be seen. An enriched experience leads to growth.
The other issue is productivity. Do people really think that everyone should be
paid the same amount regardless of the value produced? There are usually more
paid supervisory staff needed and the output (profit) is usually less. Money
does not magically appear.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#6 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Justme</U> On July 30,
2013 @ 4:25 pm </P>
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<P>Greg, your belief, that laying unearned entitlements upon them demeans them
as human beings and will undo much of the work done toward normalization, is
completely backward. Here is why. EVERYONE else is entitled to minimum wage but
our people. Your assumption that people with disabilities can’t produce is false
based on the experiences of Walgreen’s project and my own years placing
seriously disabled people in community based jobs. Stop putting people with
disabilities down. We can and do produce with workplace accommodations and
assistive technology. If I need someone to limit me I will call you. Until then
each of us deserves the civil rights protections we have under the
Rehabilitation Act which are never enforced without a fight. Now, if WIIA is
authorized, children won’t be funneled into the school to workshop pipeline that
purports to be some sort of training. No it is not training since the work done
in sweatshops, I mean workshops, is rarely if ever a job one can duplicate in
the community. That explains why my state’s vocational rehabilitation agency
will not pay for workshop placements. No training means no actual paid servvice
was delivered. Let’sget this straight. I understand people with intense needs
may be better served in a day program that is eriching for the participants and
provides a safe place for people to enjoy the community. That is different than
the sheltered workshop scam that makes big money for Goowill and thier ilk.
Here’s how it works. The goverment entity pays for the sheltered workshop –
revenue source 1. The individuals in the community donate free items for resale
– revenue source 2. The company that gives the product to the sheltered workshop
in order to complete the work also pays for that work to be done – revenue
source 3. The workshops pay subminimum wage to workers – revenue source 4. The
workshops do not have to pay taxes – revenue source 5. We, the taxpayers prop up
this whole mess because people with disabilities who want to work in the
community can’t when they are stuck in workshops so we the people support them
via SSI. Day programs are not work programs and work shoud be paid.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#7 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Annee</U> On July 30,
2013 @ 4:25 pm </P>
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<P>Once again, the government is interfering with good intentions, but with no
real understanding of the law of unintended consequences. If the disabled person
is capable of training leading to competitive employment, then they would not
need this bill. If I am hiring a disabled person, and that person requires a
personal supervisor, and/or special equipment, and/or is not likely to be able
to produce as a non-disabled person, and then I am told I have to pay them more,
well, I am just not interested in hiring that person. Businesses are not
charities. They must pay taxes, more now than ever. And, sorry, but they are
entitled to profit from their endeavor. </P>
<P>I used to live in Flint. The AC Plant wanted to hire disabled persons for
$5/hour (30 years ago) to sweep floors in the shop. It was thought to be a
win/win idea. Good for the bottom line, good for the disabled community. The
unions threw a hissy fit. Oh NO. Those were UNION jobs. ($15/hr.) AC backed off
of course. (They ultimately went bankrupt. )</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#8 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Mike</U> On July 30, 2013
@ 4:27 pm </P>
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<P>Many that support the elimination of Section 14 c and the payment of
commensurate wages have little idea the doors that this provision have opened
for people with significant intellectual disabilities (ID). Or they do not care.
The opportunity to work is important to thousands of Americans that,primarily
because of their intellectual disability, can not compete for a job at a
competitive wage. For some it is more an opportunity to be productive and have a
day that is meaningful and structured-just as work in part provides for all-
more so than earning a living. Sometimes I think when some mock the wages earned
by people with significant ID they are in a backdoor way mocking the ability of
a person with a significant disability to make a contribution in the world of
employment.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#9 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Rosella A. Alm</U> On
July 30, 2013 @ 5:17 pm </P>
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<P>Wait staff in restaurants have worked for subminimum wages for as long as I
remember. They depend on their income from tips, and must share that income with
the bus staff, (people who clean the tables). In recent years many of the
positions in the bus staff have been filled by people with disabilities (also on
subminimum wages) but sharing in the tip revenue, if the wait staff is
honest.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#10 Comment</STRONG> By <U>TFred</U> On July 30,
2013 @ 6:25 pm </P>
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<P>This a great idea. Every advocate that supports eliminating 14c and workshops
can simply start a company and hire 20 people from the local CRP at local
minimum wages. Those 20 should not be just the people with the highest
production rates but be equally spread across all the ability levels. In our
production operation, what we package is sold in big box retail/grocery stores
throughout North America. It is very likely readers of this list buy some of
these products regularly. Our customers come to us because we have good quality
and on time delivery. Our competition is private, for-profit organizations who
pay minimum wage. Many of the people we serve had communty jobs of all kinds
until they were fired for being too slow. We have other people working all over
our community and we strongly encourage that. If I had to pay minimum wage to
everyone in our CRP production areas, I would not hire 90% of the people I work
with everyday. By having a subminimum wage option they are working at the same
types of jobs done by our competitors.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#11 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Nancy</U> On July 30,
2013 @ 6:29 pm </P>
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<P>The population we serve needs MORE options, not less. I think the
skills-based sub-minimum wage has its purpose in this industry, and I think that
sheltered workshops have value as well. The problem is trying to pigeonhole all
of the clients into one type of program. They are all individuals and should
have a choice in the type of employment they want to pursue. I am more than
annoyed at NBC for making everyone think that ppl with disabilities are all
making two cents an hour. That’s simply not true. It’s safe to say that at some
level, we *all* work for a skills-based wage. If the government wants people
working out in the community, they really need to do a better job of funding
supported employment programs.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#12 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Judith Greenbaum</U> On
July 30, 2013 @ 6:54 pm </P>
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<P>My daughter functions in the range of moderate-severe intellectual
disability. She loves to work and is very proud of working – in a sheltered
situation. She works 20 hours per week. There is no way on earth she could
function in a competitive employment situation. If sheltered work options are
eliminated by the bill, people like my daughter would be unemployed and this
would be a tragedy for her.</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#13 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Cheryl Felak</U> On July
30, 2013 @ 9:33 pm </P>
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<P>“What this does is create a requirement that vocational rehabilitation
providers make an effort to achieve an employment outcome rather than just shrug
their shoulders and place people in sheltered workshops,” – I don’t see this as
an “Either/Or” issue – it is a continuum. </P>
<P>As a parent of a 19 year old in transition I know that he is not capable of
earning a competitive wage but that does not mean that he cannot do some work.
In order for him to work in any type of “typical” job he would have to have 1:1
constant supervision with continual coaching which would then turn into behavior
issues – I do not know any employer that would want to pay competitive wages for
him to not be very productive and the 1:1 “coach” too. Where does the payment
for the coaches come into this plan?<BR>He currently goes to school and when
school is out he attends a “sheltered workshop” He gets paid for work he does –
since he’s not interested in doing work nor motivated by money or rewards, he
does not have much interest in the work past the first minute but he loves going
to ATP (Adult Training Program). He loves going because it gives him something
meaningful (for him) to do – he loves listening to the music on the radio,
changing the station, talking to the staff, talking to the people who bring
snacks, and monitoring everyone’s business.<BR>He is interested in people and in
interacting with people and he has the opportunity to do that in his work – yet
he gets paid hardly anything – and he shouldn’t because he doesn’t do anything
that one would consider “productive” there.<BR>We need to have a continuum of
services and not force people into tracks that are not appropriate for them. We
need to provide meaningful opportunities for work, learning and leisure for our
citizens with ID/DD. Just as they all have different abilities and interests, we
need to provide variety of meaningful opportunities to match those abilities and
interests. Making rules that ALL must be required to pursue vocational
rehabilitation services first does not take the variety of abilities and
interests into account.<BR>Where does Person-Centered Care fit into requiring
all those 24 and under to pursue vocational rehabilitation services first prior
to trying other opportunities?</P></DIV>
<P class=CommentDate><STRONG>#14 Comment</STRONG> By <U>Jean Daniello</U> On
July 30, 2013 @ 11:07 pm </P>
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<P>I have young adult twins with I/DD. I think the schools should not be able to
take children out of school to participate in “work study” while in HS at least
before they are 18, but should receive opportunity to learn as much as possible
in school. Then, they will have more skills to bring to a job and more normal HS
experience. I have objection to sub-minimum wage under certain conditions. I
don’t know if there are ever conditions where it is OK. I would rather a day
program take on small work projects and provide each worker a stipend for their
efforts, than have someone tied to a sub-minimum wage job, especially if the
company is making large profits. There are no easy answers, but no other group,
no matter how unproductive, gets paid below minimum wage. Just think of Congress
or Wall Street traders.</P></DIV>
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