[nfbmi-talk] Thanksgiving - A time to Reflect

Terry Eagle terrydeagle at yahoo.com
Wed Dec 1 05:23:24 CST 2010


Hello Jim, Yes my mother is Dorothy Eagle, now Dorothy Sctt.  My mom will turn 91 next week, and is doing quite well yet.  My mom and dad, Donald Eagle, helped organize the Michigan NFB in the forties and fifties.
And yes, Summers growing up were a blast attending Echo Grove Camp during the sixties and seventies.

Terruy Eagle

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>    1. Tree trimming for blind people?
> (trising)
>    2. Re: Tree trimming for blind people?
> (Laura White)
>    3. Re: Tree trimming for blind people?
> (David Andrews)
>    4. Re: Tree trimming for blind people?
> (Fred Wurtzel)
>    5. Re: Happy Thanksgiving--A time to
> Reflect
>       (Jim Prather (Jim in Detroit)
>    6. Re: Tree trimming for blind people?
> (Jim Prather (Jim in Detroit)
>    7. Re: Tree trimming for blind people?
> (trising)
>    8. Re: Tree trimming for blind people?
> (Fred Wurtzel)
>    9. Re: Tree trimming for blind people?
> (gkitchen)
>   10. Re: Tree trimming for blind people? (gkitchen)
>   11. Re: Tree trimming for blind people? (Jim Prather
> (Jim in Detroit)
>   12. Re: Tree trimming for blind people? (Tonya
> Smith)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:19:03 -0500
> From: "trising" <trising at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBofMichigan List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
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> Nick and I want to do our tree without sighted assistance
> this year. Last year, because of the encouragement of our
> NFB friends, we 
> put the tree together and put up the ornaments. This year,
> we even want to tackle the lights. Both of us are totally
> blind from 
> birth. We have never seen lights, or been asked to help put
> them on. Can we get some instructions from other blind
> people who have 
> put on their own Christmas tree lights?
> Terri and Nick Wilcox 
> 
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> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 20:24:57 -0500
> From: Laura White <lewhite86 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
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> Awesome!
> THe trick to lights for me is to start at the top. 
> You aren't so much
> wrapping them around the individual branches but laying
> them across.
> To keep them straight find he branch you will be putting
> them on and
> then make sure you know which branch you need to go to next
> that way
> you aren't looking.
> if you want to cut down a tree I suggest making sure one of
> you knows
> how to use a saw and have a third person just to help you
> load the
> tree in to the car!  They are heavy!
> Keep us posted!
> 
> Laura
> 
> On 11/27/10, trising <trising at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > Nick and I want to do our tree without sighted
> assistance this year. Last
> > year, because of the encouragement of our NFB friends,
> we
> > put the tree together and put up the ornaments. This
> year, we even want to
> > tackle the lights. Both of us are totally blind from
> > birth. We have never seen lights, or been asked to
> help put them on. Can we
> > get some instructions from other blind people who
> have
> > put on their own Christmas tree lights?
> > Terri and Nick Wilcox
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:57:54 -0600
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
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> I just start at bottom circling the three with the lights,
> laying on 
> branches.  It takes a little practice to know how far
> apart to put 
> the circles, as you go around the tree, depending on how
> many lights 
> you have.  I would also get a smaller tree the first
> time, so you can 
> easily reach everything, and allow enough space behind to
> get around it.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 06:19 PM 11/27/2010, you wrote:
> >Nick and I want to do our tree without sighted
> assistance this year. 
> >Last year, because of the encouragement of our NFB
> friends, we
> >put the tree together and put up the ornaments. This
> year, we even 
> >want to tackle the lights. Both of us are totally blind
> from
> >birth. We have never seen lights, or been asked to help
> put them on. 
> >Can we get some instructions from other blind people
> who have
> >put on their own Christmas tree lights?
> >Terri and Nick Wilcox
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 21:49:47 -0500
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
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> Hi,
> 
> I prefer starting at the bottom with the lights.  The
> lights go on first.
> Then garland if you use it, then ornaments then tinsel if
> you use it instead
> of garland.  Garland and tinsel are optional. 
> Most people don't use both,
> though there are no rules. We started using garland because
> cats are
> vulnerable to choking on tinsel.  A more earth
> friendly alternative is to
> string popcorn with or without cranberries and use it
> instead of garland.
> This takes a lot of patience and that is why I don't do
> it.   
> 
> One of the most annoying parts of lighting a tree is
> knowing if the string
> actually lights.  Our color identifier has a light
> probe on it, so we can
> use it, now, to know if a bulb is lit.  You can also
> plug them in and feel
> if they get warm.  Most tree lights are wired in
> parallel and so if 1 goes
> out, they all go out.  I find this to be the most
> annoying part of
> decorating.  So, plug in the lights before you string
> them on the tree to
> make bulb replacement easier.
> 
> Unless there is a window behind the tree, I do not totally
> encircle the
> tree.  I start nearest the electrical outlet then go
> straight across
> proceeding around toward the opposite side near the wall
> opposite from where
> you start, then go up six inches to a foot, depending on
> how many lights you
> have and then come back across, keeping the second string
> as near parallel
> to the first as possible.  Keep repeating until you
> reach the top  It is
> sometimes necessary to adjust if you come up with too few
> to reach the top,
> or have too many left when you reach the top, though this
> is not as much a
> problem since you can simply reverse and go back
> down.  You may end up with
> more lights at the top if you do this, which really isn't a
> big problem,
> depending on how fussy you want to be.  If possible,
> imagine where most
> people will view the tree from and consider that most of
> the decorations
> should be visible from that point of view and look
> relatively evenly
> distributed.  My only rule is "do my best have fun and
> don't worry."     
> 
> With the ornaments, I start with the larger ones and try to
> distribute them
> evenly from left to right and top to bottom.  I then
> fill in the blank areas
> with smaller ones.  We have been married for 34 years
> and have lots of
> ornaments collected over the years.  Our first tree
> was just 2 feet tall,
> sat on a table had maybe a dozen ornaments and 1 string of
> lights.  I bought
> it for $1 very near Christmas and all the needles fell off
> within a couple
> hours of bringing it into the house.  We loved the
> tree, just the same.  
> 
> Some people have theme trees and some people have all the
> same colored
> lights and ornaments.  We are very eclectic.  We
> have ornaments that remind
> us of people and events in our lives and they range from
> computers to pets,
> sports, food, reindeer to abstract curiosities.  I
> like eclectic, myself.
> 
> Hope this is useful.
> 
> Merry Christmas and Warmest Regards 
> 
> Fred and Mary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of trising
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 7:19 PM
> To: NFBofMichigan List
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> Nick and I want to do our tree without sighted assistance
> this year. Last
> year, because of the encouragement of our NFB friends, we 
> put the tree together and put up the ornaments. This year,
> we even want to
> tackle the lights. Both of us are totally blind from 
> birth. We have never seen lights, or been asked to help put
> them on. Can we
> get some instructions from other blind people who have 
> put on their own Christmas tree lights?
> Terri and Nick Wilcox 
> 
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> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:36:50 -0500
> From: "Jim Prather \(Jim in Detroit" <james.prather at comcast.net>
> To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving--A time to
> Reflect
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> Would that be Dorothy Eagle?  I remember her from
> being at Echo Grove 
> (back when it was a good camp) in 1975.
> 
> Jim Prather
> Detroit, MI
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Terry Eagle" <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>
> Sent: November 27, 2010 12:33
> To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving--A time to
> Reflect
> 
> Dear NFB Friends,
> 
> Happy Thanksgiving to all.
> 
> As I reflect on how blessed I am to be an American, with
> all the 
> freedoms and responsibilities that being American bestow
> upon us, I 
> cannot help being thankful for being part of the second of
> four 
> generations of NFB family members.
> 
> My parents, active in organizing the NFB in Michigan in the
> 40s, 50s, 
> and beyond, imparted to me and my four siblings the
> philosophy of Dr. 
> Tenbrook and Dr. Jernigan that brought rise and massive to
> the largest 
> movement across the nation and around the world, of the
> blind speaking 
> for ourselves and future generations of blind children and
> adults.  It 
> is the philosphy and every person that embraces and lives
> out the 
> philosophy that makes the NFB the oldest, largest,
> gtratest, and 
> neccessarily the only forthright and boldest organization
> of the blind, 
> educating sighted and blind alike, that given the correct
> philosophy and 
> attitude of "can do", blindness can be reduced to an
> inconvenience, and 
> an opportunity to be the independent indiviual we are
> created and 
> intended to be, and do anything we choose to do freely and
> 
> independently, if we follow the NFB philosophy and follow
> the American 
> dream.  I am so thankful to have bee born into an NFB
> family that
>  embraced, lived, and taught the NFB philosophy. 
> Still, at nearly age 
> 91, my mother practices the fiercely independent lifestyle
> that has been 
> passed down from generation to generation, like a favorite
> family 
> recipe; a recipe for a lifetime of successful personal
> exploration and 
> independent living.
> 
> In addition, I am very thankful for the skills and
> abilities I possess 
> and volunteer to the movement.  Were it not for the
> NFB philosophy for 
> life, I am certain I would not possess and use those skills
> and 
> abilities to advance the NFB movement.  And while
> admittedly at times 
> the challenges (usually resulting from ignorance and
> prejudice)appear 
> overwhelming, it is in continuing to give, combined with a
> good night's 
> rest and prayers answered, that the path is cleared of
> obstacles to 
> fulfillment.
> 
> All the tuition paid and federal student loans available
> could not 
> produce for me  the opportunities to learn, develop
> and put to use 
> skills and abilities, and gain real-life experience, that
> volunteering 
> one's skills and abilities to a most worthy
> cause--advancing the NFB 
> philosphy and lifestyle.  And seldom does a day pass
> that my sill and 
> ability to listen to others and seek out their ideas, that
> I learn more. 
> I say all this to encourage all to seriously evaluate your
> skills and 
> abilities, give thanks for those unique skills and
> abilities, and donate 
> time to the NFB through volunteering your skills and
> abilities.  Human 
> resources are our greatest resource in advancing the NFB
> mission.
> 
> Have a wonderful, happy, and safe holiday season everyone!
> 
> Terry Eagle
> 
> 
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:04:51 -0600
> > From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
> > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> > Happy Thanksgiving to you too Larry, and to all the
> > wonderful federationists
> > of Michigan!! Amen to what you said about being
> renewed and
> > enjoying the
> > many blessings the Lord has bestowed on you, your
> friends
> > and your family!
> > Happy eating! May you all enjoy the Lions game today,
> > especially the half
> > time performance by your own Michigan native, Kid
> Rock!!
> >
> > Rock out with your giblets out,
> > Chasity from Missouri
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Larry Posont" <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBofMichigan List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 6:25 PM
> > Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> >
> > > Dear Fellow Federationists:
> > >
> > >    I wanted to wish you a very happy
> > Thanksgiving. I hope that you are
> > > renewed and recharged, as you thank the Lord for
> all
> > His
> > > blessings and enjoy family and friends. I also
> want to
> > thank you for the
> > > opportunity of serving as your National
> Federation of
> > the
> > > Blind of Michigan president.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Larry Posont, President, National Federation of
> the
> > Blind of Michigan
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:39:49 -0500
> > From: "Jim Prather \(Jim in Detroit" <james.prather at comcast.net>
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> > Is this the former Mary Ann Rojek?  Or is this
> someone
> > else?
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Mary Ann Robinson" <brightsmile1953 at comcast.net>
> > Sent: November 25, 2010 12:02
> > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the list.
> >
> > Mary Ann and Dave Robinson
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Larry Posont" <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBofMichigan List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 7:25 PM
> > Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> >
> > > Dear Fellow Federationists:
> > >
> > >    I wanted to wish you a very happy
> > Thanksgiving. I hope that you are
> > > renewed and recharged, as you thank the Lord for
> all
> > His
> > > blessings and enjoy family and friends. I also
> want to
> > thank you for
> > > the
> > > opportunity of serving as your National
> Federation of
> > the
> > > Blind of Michigan president.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Larry Posont, President, National Federation of
> the
> > Blind of Michigan
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:22:56 -0500
> > From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
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> > Hi Larry, Jim and Mary Ann and all my Federation
> family,
> >
> > I sure hope your holiday was as good as mine.  I
> am
> > thankful for all of you,
> > your friendship and your willingness to help us all
> achieve
> > first-class
> > citizenship.
> >
> > Warmest Regards,
> > ]
> > Fred
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Jim Prather (Jim in Detroit
> > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 6:40 PM
> > To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > Is this the former Mary Ann Rojek?  Or is this
> someone
> > else?
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Mary Ann Robinson" <brightsmile1953 at comcast.net>
> > Sent: November 25, 2010 12:02
> > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the list.
> >
> > Mary Ann and Dave Robinson
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Larry Posont" <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBofMichigan List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 7:25 PM
> > Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
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> > Thanksgiving. I hope that you are
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> all
> > His
> > > blessings and enjoy family and friends. I also
> want to
> > thank you for
> > > the
> > > opportunity of serving as your National
> Federation of
> > the
> > > Blind of Michigan president.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Larry Posont, President, National Federation of
> the
> > Blind of Michigan
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:00:19 -0500
> > From: "Mary Ann Robinson" <brightsmile1953 at comcast.net>
> > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
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> > Yes it is, Jim.
> >
> > Mary Ann
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jim Prather (Jim in Detroit" <james.prather at comcast.net>
> > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 6:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> >
> > > Is this the former Mary Ann Rojek?  Or is
> this
> > someone else?
> > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Mary Ann Robinson" <brightsmile1953 at comcast.net>
> > > Sent: November 25, 2010 12:02
> > > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List"
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> > >
> > > Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the list.
> > >
> > > Mary Ann and Dave Robinson
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Larry Posont" <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NFBofMichigan List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 7:25 PM
> > > Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> > >
> > >
> > >> Dear Fellow Federationists:
> > >>
> > >>    I wanted to wish you a very
> happy
> > Thanksgiving. I hope that you are
> > >> renewed and recharged, as you thank the Lord
> for
> > all His
> > >> blessings and enjoy family and friends. I
> also
> > want to thank you for
> > >> the
> > >> opportunity of serving as your National
> Federation
> > of the
> > >> Blind of Michigan president.
> > >>
> > >> Sincerely,
> > >>
> > >> Larry Posont, President, National Federation
> of
> > the Blind of Michigan
> > >>
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:06:52 -0500
> > From: "Jim Prather \(Jim in Detroit" <james.prather at comcast.net>
> > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> > Message-ID:
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> <75D2893CF27F421C8B1AB78D28D2F3E8 at JimmyPratherPC>
> >
> > Write me off list; when did y'all tie the knot? 
> I
> > hadn't seen you since
> > last year before National Convention here.  Have
> a
> > blessed day to all.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Mary Ann Robinson" <brightsmile1953 at comcast.net>
> > Sent: November 25, 2010 22:00
> > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > Yes it is, Jim.
> >
> > Mary Ann
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jim Prather (Jim in Detroit" <james.prather at comcast.net>
> > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 6:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> >
> > > Is this the former Mary Ann Rojek?  Or is
> this
> > someone else?
> > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Mary Ann Robinson" <brightsmile1953 at comcast.net>
> > > Sent: November 25, 2010 12:02
> > > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List"
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> > >
> > > Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the list.
> > >
> > > Mary Ann and Dave Robinson
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Larry Posont" <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NFBofMichigan List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 7:25 PM
> > > Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Happy Thanksgiving!
> > >
> > >
> > >> Dear Fellow Federationists:
> > >>
> > >>    I wanted to wish you a very
> happy
> > Thanksgiving. I hope that you
> > >> are
> > >> renewed and recharged, as you thank the Lord
> for
> > all His
> > >> blessings and enjoy family and friends. I
> also
> > want to thank you for
> > >> the
> > >> opportunity of serving as your National
> Federation
> > of the
> > >> Blind of Michigan president.
> > >>
> > >> Sincerely,
> > >>
> > >> Larry Posont, President, National Federation
> of
> > the Blind of Michigan
> > >>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:42:46 -0500
> From: "Jim Prather \(Jim in Detroit" <james.prather at comcast.net>
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> Message-ID:
> <F69C9E3487DA4759A3E534F232D38CB7 at JimmyPratherPC>
> 
> Does anyone use Angel Hair nowadays?  It was big in
> the 50s.  Do you put 
> a star or angel on top of the tree?  Because of
> ordinances, we can't 
> have REAL trees in this complex.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
> Sent: November 27, 2010 21:49
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I prefer starting at the bottom with the lights.  The
> lights go on 
> first.
> Then garland if you use it, then ornaments then tinsel if
> you use it 
> instead
> of garland.  Garland and tinsel are optional. 
> Most people don't use 
> both,
> though there are no rules. We started using garland because
> cats are
> vulnerable to choking on tinsel.  A more earth
> friendly alternative is 
> to
> string popcorn with or without cranberries and use it
> instead of 
> garland.
> This takes a lot of patience and that is why I don't do
> it.
> 
> One of the most annoying parts of lighting a tree is
> knowing if the 
> string
> actually lights.  Our color identifier has a light
> probe on it, so we 
> can
> use it, now, to know if a bulb is lit.  You can also
> plug them in and 
> feel
> if they get warm.  Most tree lights are wired in
> parallel and so if 1 
> goes
> out, they all go out.  I find this to be the most
> annoying part of
> decorating.  So, plug in the lights before you string
> them on the tree 
> to
> make bulb replacement easier.
> 
> Unless there is a window behind the tree, I do not totally
> encircle the
> tree.  I start nearest the electrical outlet then go
> straight across
> proceeding around toward the opposite side near the wall
> opposite from 
> where
> you start, then go up six inches to a foot, depending on
> how many lights 
> you
> have and then come back across, keeping the second string
> as near 
> parallel
> to the first as possible.  Keep repeating until you
> reach the top  It is
> sometimes necessary to adjust if you come up with too few
> to reach the 
> top,
> or have too many left when you reach the top, though this
> is not as much 
> a
> problem since you can simply reverse and go back
> down.  You may end up 
> with
> more lights at the top if you do this, which really isn't a
> big problem,
> depending on how fussy you want to be.  If possible,
> imagine where most
> people will view the tree from and consider that most of
> the decorations
> should be visible from that point of view and look
> relatively evenly
> distributed.  My only rule is "do my best have fun and
> don't worry."
> 
> With the ornaments, I start with the larger ones and try to
> distribute 
> them
> evenly from left to right and top to bottom.  I then
> fill in the blank 
> areas
> with smaller ones.  We have been married for 34 years
> and have lots of
> ornaments collected over the years.  Our first tree
> was just 2 feet 
> tall,
> sat on a table had maybe a dozen ornaments and 1 string of
> lights.  I 
> bought
> it for $1 very near Christmas and all the needles fell off
> within a 
> couple
> hours of bringing it into the house.  We loved the
> tree, just the same.
> 
> Some people have theme trees and some people have all the
> same colored
> lights and ornaments.  We are very eclectic.  We
> have ornaments that 
> remind
> us of people and events in our lives and they range from
> computers to 
> pets,
> sports, food, reindeer to abstract curiosities.  I
> like eclectic, 
> myself.
> 
> Hope this is useful.
> 
> Merry Christmas and Warmest Regards
> 
> Fred and Mary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> 
> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of trising
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 7:19 PM
> To: NFBofMichigan List
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> Nick and I want to do our tree without sighted assistance
> this year. 
> Last
> year, because of the encouragement of our NFB friends, we
> put the tree together and put up the ornaments. This year,
> we even want 
> to
> tackle the lights. Both of us are totally blind from
> birth. We have never seen lights, or been asked to help put
> them on. Can 
> we
> get some instructions from other blind people who have
> put on their own Christmas tree lights?
> Terri and Nick Wilcox
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:50:27 -0500
> From: "trising" <trising at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
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> 
> We cannot have real trees either in our complex. I wish we
> could, as I prefer the feel and smell. We go with my parents
> to a tree 
> farm and walk around with them as they choose theirs and
> cut it down. I would not trust either of us with a saw yet
> though. Maybe I 
> will gain confidence for such a thing in the future though.
> We use a star or angel that lights at the top of the tree.
> We are trying 
> to assemble ours entirely without sighted assistance this
> year, so, if it does not light, we will find out in a few
> days when my 
> Grandmother comes on Wednesday.
> Terri and Nick Wilcox
> Thanks so much to everyone for the suggestions about how to
> string the lights. We will do it after church tomorrow. 
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:56:50 -0500
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain;   
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> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Mary and I have a stylized star for the top of ours. 
> It is pretty old and
> too heavy for some trees.  I sometimes have to trim
> the point down to get a
> stem strong enough to hold it up.  But, that is
> tradition for you.
> \
> Re: angel hair, I do not think we have any of those
> ornaments, though I do
> like them.  The fiber glass is a little irritating to
> the skin if it is
> handled much. 
> 
> We now have an artificial tree.  I basically object to
> this, but I am too
> lazy to fight about it, since I will have to go out in the
> weather and cold
> and wet, bring the tree home, let it dry out, mount it in a
> stand and have
> it tip over a couple times before I get it right, then
> clean up all the
> needles after we take it down.  I love the smell of a
> real tree.  I like the
> ecological reasons for having a real tree.  Real trees
> create more jobs than
> artificial and the disposal is more ecologically friendly
> than a plastic,
> glass and metal tree.  So, convenience and laziness,
> in me, is turning me
> into an environmental hypocrite.  Just like a liberal
> like me, huh? (smile)
> 
> Merry Christmas,
> 
> Fred
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Jim Prather (Jim in Detroit
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 10:43 PM
> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> Does anyone use Angel Hair nowadays?  It was big in
> the 50s.  Do you put 
> a star or angel on top of the tree?  Because of
> ordinances, we can't 
> have REAL trees in this complex.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
> Sent: November 27, 2010 21:49
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I prefer starting at the bottom with the lights.  The
> lights go on 
> first.
> Then garland if you use it, then ornaments then tinsel if
> you use it 
> instead
> of garland.  Garland and tinsel are optional. 
> Most people don't use 
> both,
> though there are no rules. We started using garland because
> cats are
> vulnerable to choking on tinsel.  A more earth
> friendly alternative is 
> to
> string popcorn with or without cranberries and use it
> instead of 
> garland.
> This takes a lot of patience and that is why I don't do
> it.
> 
> One of the most annoying parts of lighting a tree is
> knowing if the 
> string
> actually lights.  Our color identifier has a light
> probe on it, so we 
> can
> use it, now, to know if a bulb is lit.  You can also
> plug them in and 
> feel
> if they get warm.  Most tree lights are wired in
> parallel and so if 1 
> goes
> out, they all go out.  I find this to be the most
> annoying part of
> decorating.  So, plug in the lights before you string
> them on the tree 
> to
> make bulb replacement easier.
> 
> Unless there is a window behind the tree, I do not totally
> encircle the
> tree.  I start nearest the electrical outlet then go
> straight across
> proceeding around toward the opposite side near the wall
> opposite from 
> where
> you start, then go up six inches to a foot, depending on
> how many lights 
> you
> have and then come back across, keeping the second string
> as near 
> parallel
> to the first as possible.  Keep repeating until you
> reach the top  It is
> sometimes necessary to adjust if you come up with too few
> to reach the 
> top,
> or have too many left when you reach the top, though this
> is not as much 
> a
> problem since you can simply reverse and go back
> down.  You may end up 
> with
> more lights at the top if you do this, which really isn't a
> big problem,
> depending on how fussy you want to be.  If possible,
> imagine where most
> people will view the tree from and consider that most of
> the decorations
> should be visible from that point of view and look
> relatively evenly
> distributed.  My only rule is "do my best have fun and
> don't worry."
> 
> With the ornaments, I start with the larger ones and try to
> distribute 
> them
> evenly from left to right and top to bottom.  I then
> fill in the blank 
> areas
> with smaller ones.  We have been married for 34 years
> and have lots of
> ornaments collected over the years.  Our first tree
> was just 2 feet 
> tall,
> sat on a table had maybe a dozen ornaments and 1 string of
> lights.  I 
> bought
> it for $1 very near Christmas and all the needles fell off
> within a 
> couple
> hours of bringing it into the house.  We loved the
> tree, just the same.
> 
> Some people have theme trees and some people have all the
> same colored
> lights and ornaments.  We are very eclectic.  We
> have ornaments that 
> remind
> us of people and events in our lives and they range from
> computers to 
> pets,
> sports, food, reindeer to abstract curiosities.  I
> like eclectic, 
> myself.
> 
> Hope this is useful.
> 
> Merry Christmas and Warmest Regards
> 
> Fred and Mary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> 
> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of trising
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 7:19 PM
> To: NFBofMichigan List
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> Nick and I want to do our tree without sighted assistance
> this year. 
> Last
> year, because of the encouragement of our NFB friends, we
> put the tree together and put up the ornaments. This year,
> we even want 
> to
> tackle the lights. Both of us are totally blind from
> birth. We have never seen lights, or been asked to help put
> them on. Can 
> we
> get some instructions from other blind people who have
> put on their own Christmas tree lights?
> Terri and Nick Wilcox
> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:00:27 -0500
> From: "gkitchen" <ghkitchen at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
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> 
> Hi Nick and Terri,
> 
> I think all the suggestions were good. I sort of take the
> relaxed view like 
> Fred does.
> 
> We used to have real trees but it is a lot more work and
> well I hate to see 
> a tree cut down. My folks offered to cut us one down but I
> said no thanks.I 
> don't mean to lecture but anyway:
> 
>  It seems people cut trees downeven though they were very
> old and healthy. 
> Sometimes the reasons are not real good. We have only 
> about 3 trees on this 
> small lot and they are very old.  They keep the house
> cool in the summer 
> etc. Yes, it is work getting all the leaves collected and
> into the compost 
> boxes. One year all the leaves blew across the  street
> before we could get 
> to them!
> 
> I am sure your tree will look real nice. I like different
> ornaments also. I 
> don't think I have a computer but I have this rather
> large  plastic 
> pineapple.
> Best,
> Georgia
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "trising" <trising at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> 
> > We cannot have real trees either in our complex. I
> wish we could, as I 
> > prefer the feel and smell. We go with my parents to a
> tree
> > farm and walk around with them as they choose theirs
> and cut it down. I 
> > would not trust either of us with a saw yet though.
> Maybe I
> > will gain confidence for such a thing in the future
> though. We use a star 
> > or angel that lights at the top of the tree. We are
> trying
> > to assemble ours entirely without sighted assistance
> this year, so, if it 
> > does not light, we will find out in a few days when
> my
> > Grandmother comes on Wednesday.
> > Terri and Nick Wilcox
> > Thanks so much to everyone for the suggestions about
> how to string the 
> > lights. We will do it after church tomorrow.
> >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:55:54 -0500
> From: "gkitchen" <ghkitchen at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
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> Hi,
> 
> Yes, I love the smell of a real tree and Ken prefers one
> also.
> 
> I don't remember angel hair. For this small tree, I put on
> regular 
> ornaments, some larger angels and small lights. We don't do
> much else. I 
> think I have somehow acquired some beaded or gold cords
> which I put on the 
> tree. I start my lights at the bottom also because I have
> to make sure there 
> is enough cord to plug them in. I don't worry too much
> about being symetric 
> but some people like that look better. I have some electric
> candles that we 
> put in the window  sill. We have to tape the set of 3
> down with duct tape so 
> they don't fall off the sill. They are cheap but it seems
> to me that candles 
> give a special glow. I would love to have lights outside
> but this old 
> house doesn't seem to have outlets outside.
> 
> 
> I have a few other items I put out like the birch log
> centerpiece a friend 
> of mine from the UP gave me, a candle shaped like a tree
> and a small music 
> box type tree Ken got me.
> 
> Ken wants to get an electric car in a few years so like
> most people we will 
> have to have outlets installed. I am wondering what Ford
> will come out with?
> 
> Best,
> Georgia
> I hope everyone has a  Blessed Christmas or a Happy
> Holiday Season.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "trising" <trising at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> 
> > We cannot have real trees either in our complex. I
> wish we could, as I 
> > prefer the feel and smell. We go with my parents to a
> tree
> > farm and walk around with them as they choose theirs
> and cut it down. I 
> > would not trust either of us with a saw yet though.
> Maybe I
> > will gain confidence for such a thing in the future
> though. We use a star 
> > or angel that lights at the top of the tree. We are
> trying
> > to assemble ours entirely without sighted assistance
> this year, so, if it 
> > does not light, we will find out in a few days when
> my
> > Grandmother comes on Wednesday.
> > Terri and Nick Wilcox
> > Thanks so much to everyone for the suggestions about
> how to string the 
> > lights. We will do it after church tomorrow.
> >
> >
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:05:57 -0500
> From: "Jim Prather \(Jim in Detroit" <james.prather at comcast.net>
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
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> 
> Well Fred, you could be more lazy and put an
> evergreen-scented air 
> freshener next to, or a few inches to the tree--LOL!
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> Sent: November 27, 2010 22:56
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Mary and I have a stylized star for the top of ours. 
> It is pretty old 
> and
> too heavy for some trees.  I sometimes have to trim
> the point down to 
> get a
> stem strong enough to hold it up.  But, that is
> tradition for you.
> \
> Re: angel hair, I do not think we have any of those
> ornaments, though I 
> do
> like them.  The fiber glass is a little irritating to
> the skin if it is
> handled much.
> 
> We now have an artificial tree.  I basically object to
> this, but I am 
> too
> lazy to fight about it, since I will have to go out in the
> weather and 
> cold
> and wet, bring the tree home, let it dry out, mount it in a
> stand and 
> have
> it tip over a couple times before I get it right, then
> clean up all the
> needles after we take it down.  I love the smell of a
> real tree.  I like 
> the
> ecological reasons for having a real tree.  Real trees
> create more jobs 
> than
> artificial and the disposal is more ecologically friendly
> than a 
> plastic,
> glass and metal tree.  So, convenience and laziness,
> in me, is turning 
> me
> into an environmental hypocrite.  Just like a liberal
> like me, huh? 
> (smile)
> 
> Merry Christmas,
> 
> Fred
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> 
> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Jim Prather (Jim in Detroit
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 10:43 PM
> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> Does anyone use Angel Hair nowadays?  It was big in
> the 50s.  Do you put
> a star or angel on top of the tree?  Because of
> ordinances, we can't
> have REAL trees in this complex.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
> Sent: November 27, 2010 21:49
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I prefer starting at the bottom with the lights.  The
> lights go on
> first.
> Then garland if you use it, then ornaments then tinsel if
> you use it
> instead
> of garland.  Garland and tinsel are optional. 
> Most people don't use
> both,
> though there are no rules. We started using garland because
> cats are
> vulnerable to choking on tinsel.  A more earth
> friendly alternative is
> to
> string popcorn with or without cranberries and use it
> instead of
> garland.
> This takes a lot of patience and that is why I don't do
> it.
> 
> One of the most annoying parts of lighting a tree is
> knowing if the
> string
> actually lights.  Our color identifier has a light
> probe on it, so we
> can
> use it, now, to know if a bulb is lit.  You can also
> plug them in and
> feel
> if they get warm.  Most tree lights are wired in
> parallel and so if 1
> goes
> out, they all go out.  I find this to be the most
> annoying part of
> decorating.  So, plug in the lights before you string
> them on the tree
> to
> make bulb replacement easier.
> 
> Unless there is a window behind the tree, I do not totally
> encircle the
> tree.  I start nearest the electrical outlet then go
> straight across
> proceeding around toward the opposite side near the wall
> opposite from
> where
> you start, then go up six inches to a foot, depending on
> how many lights
> you
> have and then come back across, keeping the second string
> as near
> parallel
> to the first as possible.  Keep repeating until you
> reach the top  It is
> sometimes necessary to adjust if you come up with too few
> to reach the
> top,
> or have too many left when you reach the top, though this
> is not as much
> a
> problem since you can simply reverse and go back
> down.  You may end up
> with
> more lights at the top if you do this, which really isn't a
> big problem,
> depending on how fussy you want to be.  If possible,
> imagine where most
> people will view the tree from and consider that most of
> the decorations
> should be visible from that point of view and look
> relatively evenly
> distributed.  My only rule is "do my best have fun and
> don't worry."
> 
> With the ornaments, I start with the larger ones and try to
> distribute
> them
> evenly from left to right and top to bottom.  I then
> fill in the blank
> areas
> with smaller ones.  We have been married for 34 years
> and have lots of
> ornaments collected over the years.  Our first tree
> was just 2 feet
> tall,
> sat on a table had maybe a dozen ornaments and 1 string of
> lights.  I
> bought
> it for $1 very near Christmas and all the needles fell off
> within a
> couple
> hours of bringing it into the house.  We loved the
> tree, just the same.
> 
> Some people have theme trees and some people have all the
> same colored
> lights and ornaments.  We are very eclectic.  We
> have ornaments that
> remind
> us of people and events in our lives and they range from
> computers to
> pets,
> sports, food, reindeer to abstract curiosities.  I
> like eclectic,
> myself.
> 
> Hope this is useful.
> 
> Merry Christmas and Warmest Regards
> 
> Fred and Mary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of trising
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 7:19 PM
> To: NFBofMichigan List
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> 
> Nick and I want to do our tree without sighted assistance
> this year.
> Last
> year, because of the encouragement of our NFB friends, we
> put the tree together and put up the ornaments. This year,
> we even want
> to
> tackle the lights. Both of us are totally blind from
> birth. We have never seen lights, or been asked to help put
> them on. Can
> we
> get some instructions from other blind people who have
> put on their own Christmas tree lights?
> Terri and Nick Wilcox
> 
> 
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> Message: 12
> From: Tonya Smith <tonyasmith75 at live.com>
> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
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> 
> Hi Jim its Tanya. Well, you know as a matter of fact I like
> scented stuff like evergreen air freshener and stuff like
> that. It makes the house smells good. I don't think it?s
> lazy.
> 
> Tonya Smith sent you this voice-to-text generated email
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> > Original Message:
> > ---------------------------------
> > 
> > From: "Jim Prather (Jim in Detroit" <james.prather at comcast.net>
> 
> > Sent: November 28, 2010 5:05:57 AM
> > To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List' <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind
> people?
> > 
> > Well Fred, you could be more lazy and put an
> evergreen-scented air 
> > freshener next to, or a few inches to the tree--LOL!
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> > Sent: November 27, 2010 22:56
> > To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind
> people?
> > 
> > Hi Jim,
> > 
> > Mary and I have a stylized star for the top of
> ours.  It is pretty old 
> > and
> > too heavy for some trees.  I sometimes have to
> trim the point down to 
> > get a
> > stem strong enough to hold it up.  But, that is
> tradition for you.
> > \
> > Re: angel hair, I do not think we have any of those
> ornaments, though I 
> > do
> > like them.  The fiber glass is a little
> irritating to the skin if it is
> > handled much.
> > 
> > We now have an artificial tree.  I basically
> object to this, but I am 
> > too
> > lazy to fight about it, since I will have to go out in
> the weather and 
> > cold
> > and wet, bring the tree home, let it dry out, mount it
> in a stand and 
> > have
> > it tip over a couple times before I get it right, then
> clean up all the
> > needles after we take it down.  I love the smell
> of a real tree.  I like 
> > the
> > ecological reasons for having a real tree.  Real
> trees create more jobs 
> > than
> > artificial and the disposal is more ecologically
> friendly than a 
> > plastic,
> > glass and metal tree.  So, convenience and
> laziness, in me, is turning 
> > me
> > into an environmental hypocrite.  Just like a
> liberal like me, huh? 
> > (smile)
> > 
> > Merry Christmas,
> > 
> > Fred
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> 
> > [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Jim Prather (Jim in Detroit
> > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 10:43 PM
> > To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind
> people?
> > 
> > Does anyone use Angel Hair nowadays?  It was big
> in the 50s.  Do you put
> > a star or angel on top of the tree?  Because of
> ordinances, we can't
> > have REAL trees in this complex.
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
> > Sent: November 27, 2010 21:49
> > To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind
> people?
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I prefer starting at the bottom with the lights. 
> The lights go on
> > first.
> > Then garland if you use it, then ornaments then tinsel
> if you use it
> > instead
> > of garland.  Garland and tinsel are
> optional.  Most people don't use
> > both,
> > though there are no rules. We started using garland
> because cats are
> > vulnerable to choking on tinsel.  A more earth
> friendly alternative is
> > to
> > string popcorn with or without cranberries and use it
> instead of
> > garland.
> > This takes a lot of patience and that is why I don't
> do it.
> > 
> > One of the most annoying parts of lighting a tree is
> knowing if the
> > string
> > actually lights.  Our color identifier has a
> light probe on it, so we
> > can
> > use it, now, to know if a bulb is lit.  You can
> also plug them in and
> > feel
> > if they get warm.  Most tree lights are wired in
> parallel and so if 1
> > goes
> > out, they all go out.  I find this to be the most
> annoying part of
> > decorating.  So, plug in the lights before you
> string them on the tree
> > to
> > make bulb replacement easier.
> > 
> > Unless there is a window behind the tree, I do not
> totally encircle the
> > tree.  I start nearest the electrical outlet then
> go straight across
> > proceeding around toward the opposite side near the
> wall opposite from
> > where
> > you start, then go up six inches to a foot, depending
> on how many lights
> > you
> > have and then come back across, keeping the second
> string as near
> > parallel
> > to the first as possible.  Keep repeating until
> you reach the top  It is
> > sometimes necessary to adjust if you come up with too
> few to reach the
> > top,
> > or have too many left when you reach the top, though
> this is not as much
> > a
> > problem since you can simply reverse and go back
> down.  You may end up
> > with
> > more lights at the top if you do this, which really
> isn't a big problem,
> > depending on how fussy you want to be.  If
> possible, imagine where most
> > people will view the tree from and consider that most
> of the decorations
> > should be visible from that point of view and look
> relatively evenly
> > distributed.  My only rule is "do my best have
> fun and don't worry."
> > 
> > With the ornaments, I start with the larger ones and
> try to distribute
> > them
> > evenly from left to right and top to bottom.  I
> then fill in the blank
> > areas
> > with smaller ones.  We have been married for 34
> years and have lots of
> > ornaments collected over the years.  Our first
> tree was just 2 feet
> > tall,
> > sat on a table had maybe a dozen ornaments and 1
> string of lights.  I
> > bought
> > it for $1 very near Christmas and all the needles fell
> off within a
> > couple
> > hours of bringing it into the house.  We loved
> the tree, just the same.
> > 
> > Some people have theme trees and some people have all
> the same colored
> > lights and ornaments.  We are very
> eclectic.  We have ornaments that
> > remind
> > us of people and events in our lives and they range
> from computers to
> > pets,
> > sports, food, reindeer to abstract curiosities. 
> I like eclectic,
> > myself.
> > 
> > Hope this is useful.
> > 
> > Merry Christmas and Warmest Regards
> > 
> > Fred and Mary
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of trising
> > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 7:19 PM
> > To: NFBofMichigan List
> > Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Tree trimming for blind people?
> > 
> > Nick and I want to do our tree without sighted
> assistance this year.
> > Last
> > year, because of the encouragement of our NFB friends,
> we
> > put the tree together and put up the ornaments. This
> year, we even want
> > to
> > tackle the lights. Both of us are totally blind from
> > birth. We have never seen lights, or been asked to
> help put them on. Can
> > we
> > get some instructions from other blind people who
> have
> > put on their own Christmas tree lights?
> > Terri and Nick Wilcox
> > 
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