[nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy

Sun Jun 27 20:55:17 UTC 2010

Well yes and no I mean certainly a consumer can write one up but ultimately 
the counselor has to sign off on it.

Guess it's a matter of semantics...

You know it depends of what the definition of "is" "is"....smile....
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy

> Hi Joe,
>
> I believe  it is permissible for the client to write their own 
> IPE,according
> to the Rehab Act.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:02 PM
> To: Marcus Simmons; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy
>
> The counselor is required to write the IPE, of course in direct 
> consultation
>
> with the consumer.
>
> It is all in the rules for the Rehab Act....
>
> And so are procedures. They are also in the MCB policy manual....
>
> Peace,
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marcus Simmons" <MarcusSimmons at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy
>
>
>> Where does it say that the counselor is supposed to write the IPE? I
>> thought the client was responsible for the contents and has the right to
>> ask for assistance from MCB if they so wish.
>>
>> Marcus
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>> To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:43 PM
>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy
>>
>>
>>> Ok I finished the afternoon session. I noted Leeman Jones continued
>>> references to required performance standards and indicators relative to
>>> the timeline and closure issue. And on several occasions both then and 
>>> in
>
>>> the past Gerri Taeckens asked for data to support the contentions made 
>>> by
>
>>> mostly staff, yet Leemon has never been able to produce data.
>>>
>>> Now, this is exactly the type of data that  MCB is required to submit to
>>> RSA, and indeed to the Commission Board and indeed the public in the RSA
>>> monitoring, state plans, and annual reviews.
>>>
>>> It is the commission folks that hasn't done its RSA homework in a timely
>>> manner in these regards! And it is hiding this information from the
>>> commission board and the public including NFB MI and individuals like
>>> myself with its ludicrous FOIA denials, which, of course are totally
>>> illegal in and of themselves.
>>>
>>> Moreover, the counselors voted on the timeline issue when they know or
>>> should know that a uniform timeline (not a goal) is not something that
>>> fits all. These things as Taeckens rightfully and to her credit
>>> consistently pointsout are a function of the Individual Plan for
>>> Employment. Note the term "Individual" here.
>>>
>>> Now each and every counselor speaking is supposed to be intiment with 
>>> the
>
>>> requirements for IPE development and related civil rights checks on
>>> arbitrary and capricious administration. They were after all Certified
>>> Rehabilitation Counselors and this goes into the training requirements.
>>> Did each and every one of them flunk "IPE development 101"?
>>>
>>> Have not a one of them referenced RSA circulars, the Rehab Act itself,
>>> and/or had continuous improvement in training on this issue?
>>>
>>> I simply wonder what in the world is going on here.
>>>
>>> My goodness consumers and other non-professionals including, by the way
>>> Ms. Taeckens seem to have a grasp of what goes into the IPE and that 
>>> also
>
>>> includes setting goals and effectively timelines on an Individualized
>>> basis. It also must consider going to Lydia's continued point and 
>>> others,
>
>>> the impact of multiple disabilities upon a person, sickness, and other
>>> contingencies.
>>>
>>>
>>> Going back to the data issue...Leemon and others wish to use this issue
>>> as an excuse on the policy development issue and on the other don't
>>> produce the data or the systems to actually cull data like Taeckens asks
>>> for in case examinations. and analysis.
>>>
>>> Other data required is again the consumer satisfaction surveys yet ours
>>> has been so late in coming that findings would be virtually
>>> meaningless...But again MCB was given these "homework" assignments
>>> actually with continuiing and annual updates...And many of these
>>> assignments were missed.
>>>
>>> Finally, on this thrust I am very proud of Fred in his standing up on 
>>> the
>
>>> issue. and I'm very proud of Elizabeth for effectively saying there are
>>> obligations and timelines upon MCB staff including counselors.
>>>
>>> And I for one demand they meet their responsabilities.
>>>
>>> They are a dysfunctional family there and I'm talking about the
>>> counselors and supervisors represented in my opinion. They wish to hold
>>> the consumer constantly responsable for standards that the staff 
>>> violates
>
>>> routinely. In other words these so-called professionals do not practice
>>> what they preach on the timeliness issue over and over again.
>>>
>>> And they wish to give anecdotal claims without supplying supporting data
>>> to back allegations up. Good for Ms. Taeckens, Elizabeth and others for
>>> holding them accountable. Good for Larry too in his comments at the end.
>>>
>>> I believe in high expectations. I expect accountability by highly paid
>>> and professionally trained staff. Oh yes by the way many of these
>>> counselors and supervisors did have much, if not all of their education
>>> funded by MCB, or RSA through either being consumers themselves once 
>>> upon
>
>>> a time, or through RSA grants, or through RSA/MCB funding for continuous
>>> improvement and certification.
>>>
>>> I sure know that Debbie Wilson had her switch from MSW to CRC funded
>>> through MCB.
>>>
>>> Man, what a bunch of hypocrities were represented with that block!
>>>
>>> Now, before I end this diatribe I must say there are some excellent
>>> counselors in MCB. I noticed not one of them were represented at this
>>> meeting. And I assume that was because they are already competent in IPE
>>> development and are or were working in the field doing their jobs, of
>>> which, again they are highly paid for. No those are not the sherkers, or
>>> the ones that blame consumers for all their earthly woes. Those are the
>>> good guys and gals that Larry was right to point out that we in NFB and
>>> other orgs are trying to protect and assist.
>>>
>>> Bottom line though is no matter what they do or finally right the law
>>> says what the law says.
>>>
>>> And a consensus doesn't abrogate legal requirements that are already in
>>> the law.
>>>
>>> But, sadly Cannon and his gang of disfunctionals seem to contiue to
>>> violate all sorts of laws over and over again.
>>>
>>> Anyway I do not think frm this meeting that Ms. Taeckens was wrong, or
>>> Jeanette Brown (as far as she went) or of course, those members of the
>>> NFB led by Fred and Elizabeth  on this issue.
>>>
>>> And I think we should all ask Leemon for the data to affirm the
>>> conjecture,.
>>>
>>> (Of course he doesn't have it as he has clearly stated over and over
>>> again...Which is my point.)
>>>
>>> I'm reminded here of an old saying from former Senator Daniel Patrick
>>> Monihan. He said, "People are all entitle to their opinions. But no one
>>> is entitled to his own facts."
>>>
>>> You see the twenty twenty process has been abused here for it puts
>>> opinions over facts; so-called concensus over fundamental laws including
>>> the Rehab Act itself.
>>>
>>> I say to those counselors who don't like the Rehab Act or its clear cut
>>> requirments then maybe, just maybe they should find another line of
>>> employment. Perhaps they should consult with each other and draw up an
>>> IPE!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Joe!
>>>
>>>
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