[nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy

joe harcz Comcast joeharcz at comcast.net
Mon Jun 28 03:09:17 UTC 2010


There are some states that actually give guidence and online  forms and 
other tools.

Remind me but when I get to Philly I'll look up some of the resources.

Keep up the good work all.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy


>
> yes, from my understanding of the Rehab Act as well as from what I have 
> heard from others who are knowledgeable about the Rehab Act, individuals 
> can write their own Individualized Plan for Employment without the 
> assistance from their counselor if they so choose. They can also ask other 
> people besides their counselor to write the Individualized Plan for 
> Employment as well. although, no matter how you choose to creat your 
> Individualized Plan for Employment, your counselor still needs to agree 
> with it and sign it. When you choose to write your own plan, it may be 
> more difficult for the counselor to agree with what you have written. Just 
> my two cents on the issue.
>
>
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>> From: f.wurtzel at comcast.net
>> To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:08:08 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> I believe it is permissible for the client to write their own 
>> IPE,according
>> to the Rehab Act.
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
>> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:02 PM
>> To: Marcus Simmons; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy
>>
>> The counselor is required to write the IPE, of course in direct 
>> consultation
>>
>> with the consumer.
>>
>> It is all in the rules for the Rehab Act....
>>
>> And so are procedures. They are also in the MCB policy manual....
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Joe
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Marcus Simmons" <MarcusSimmons at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 2:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy
>>
>>
>> > Where does it say that the counselor is supposed to write the IPE? I
>> > thought the client was responsible for the contents and has the right 
>> > to
>> > ask for assistance from MCB if they so wish.
>> >
>> > Marcus
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>> > To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:43 PM
>> > Subject: [nfbmi-talk] more jagged notes re college policy
>> >
>> >
>> >> Ok I finished the afternoon session. I noted Leeman Jones continued
>> >> references to required performance standards and indicators relative 
>> >> to
>> >> the timeline and closure issue. And on several occasions both then and 
>> >> in
>>
>> >> the past Gerri Taeckens asked for data to support the contentions made 
>> >> by
>>
>> >> mostly staff, yet Leemon has never been able to produce data.
>> >>
>> >> Now, this is exactly the type of data that MCB is required to submit 
>> >> to
>> >> RSA, and indeed to the Commission Board and indeed the public in the 
>> >> RSA
>> >> monitoring, state plans, and annual reviews.
>> >>
>> >> It is the commission folks that hasn't done its RSA homework in a 
>> >> timely
>> >> manner in these regards! And it is hiding this information from the
>> >> commission board and the public including NFB MI and individuals like
>> >> myself with its ludicrous FOIA denials, which, of course are totally
>> >> illegal in and of themselves.
>> >>
>> >> Moreover, the counselors voted on the timeline issue when they know or
>> >> should know that a uniform timeline (not a goal) is not something that
>> >> fits all. These things as Taeckens rightfully and to her credit
>> >> consistently pointsout are a function of the Individual Plan for
>> >> Employment. Note the term "Individual" here.
>> >>
>> >> Now each and every counselor speaking is supposed to be intiment with 
>> >> the
>>
>> >> requirements for IPE development and related civil rights checks on
>> >> arbitrary and capricious administration. They were after all Certified
>> >> Rehabilitation Counselors and this goes into the training 
>> >> requirements.
>> >> Did each and every one of them flunk "IPE development 101"?
>> >>
>> >> Have not a one of them referenced RSA circulars, the Rehab Act itself,
>> >> and/or had continuous improvement in training on this issue?
>> >>
>> >> I simply wonder what in the world is going on here.
>> >>
>> >> My goodness consumers and other non-professionals including, by the 
>> >> way
>> >> Ms. Taeckens seem to have a grasp of what goes into the IPE and that 
>> >> also
>>
>> >> includes setting goals and effectively timelines on an Individualized
>> >> basis. It also must consider going to Lydia's continued point and 
>> >> others,
>>
>> >> the impact of multiple disabilities upon a person, sickness, and other
>> >> contingencies.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Going back to the data issue...Leemon and others wish to use this 
>> >> issue
>> >> as an excuse on the policy development issue and on the other don't
>> >> produce the data or the systems to actually cull data like Taeckens 
>> >> asks
>> >> for in case examinations. and analysis.
>> >>
>> >> Other data required is again the consumer satisfaction surveys yet 
>> >> ours
>> >> has been so late in coming that findings would be virtually
>> >> meaningless...But again MCB was given these "homework" assignments
>> >> actually with continuiing and annual updates...And many of these
>> >> assignments were missed.
>> >>
>> >> Finally, on this thrust I am very proud of Fred in his standing up on 
>> >> the
>>
>> >> issue. and I'm very proud of Elizabeth for effectively saying there 
>> >> are
>> >> obligations and timelines upon MCB staff including counselors.
>> >>
>> >> And I for one demand they meet their responsabilities.
>> >>
>> >> They are a dysfunctional family there and I'm talking about the
>> >> counselors and supervisors represented in my opinion. They wish to 
>> >> hold
>> >> the consumer constantly responsable for standards that the staff 
>> >> violates
>>
>> >> routinely. In other words these so-called professionals do not 
>> >> practice
>> >> what they preach on the timeliness issue over and over again.
>> >>
>> >> And they wish to give anecdotal claims without supplying supporting 
>> >> data
>> >> to back allegations up. Good for Ms. Taeckens, Elizabeth and others 
>> >> for
>> >> holding them accountable. Good for Larry too in his comments at the 
>> >> end.
>> >>
>> >> I believe in high expectations. I expect accountability by highly paid
>> >> and professionally trained staff. Oh yes by the way many of these
>> >> counselors and supervisors did have much, if not all of their 
>> >> education
>> >> funded by MCB, or RSA through either being consumers themselves once 
>> >> upon
>>
>> >> a time, or through RSA grants, or through RSA/MCB funding for 
>> >> continuous
>> >> improvement and certification.
>> >>
>> >> I sure know that Debbie Wilson had her switch from MSW to CRC funded
>> >> through MCB.
>> >>
>> >> Man, what a bunch of hypocrities were represented with that block!
>> >>
>> >> Now, before I end this diatribe I must say there are some excellent
>> >> counselors in MCB. I noticed not one of them were represented at this
>> >> meeting. And I assume that was because they are already competent in 
>> >> IPE
>> >> development and are or were working in the field doing their jobs, of
>> >> which, again they are highly paid for. No those are not the sherkers, 
>> >> or
>> >> the ones that blame consumers for all their earthly woes. Those are 
>> >> the
>> >> good guys and gals that Larry was right to point out that we in NFB 
>> >> and
>> >> other orgs are trying to protect and assist.
>> >>
>> >> Bottom line though is no matter what they do or finally right the law
>> >> says what the law says.
>> >>
>> >> And a consensus doesn't abrogate legal requirements that are already 
>> >> in
>> >> the law.
>> >>
>> >> But, sadly Cannon and his gang of disfunctionals seem to contiue to
>> >> violate all sorts of laws over and over again.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway I do not think frm this meeting that Ms. Taeckens was wrong, or
>> >> Jeanette Brown (as far as she went) or of course, those members of the
>> >> NFB led by Fred and Elizabeth on this issue.
>> >>
>> >> And I think we should all ask Leemon for the data to affirm the
>> >> conjecture,.
>> >>
>> >> (Of course he doesn't have it as he has clearly stated over and over
>> >> again...Which is my point.)
>> >>
>> >> I'm reminded here of an old saying from former Senator Daniel Patrick
>> >> Monihan. He said, "People are all entitle to their opinions. But no 
>> >> one
>> >> is entitled to his own facts."
>> >>
>> >> You see the twenty twenty process has been abused here for it puts
>> >> opinions over facts; so-called concensus over fundamental laws 
>> >> including
>> >> the Rehab Act itself.
>> >>
>> >> I say to those counselors who don't like the Rehab Act or its clear 
>> >> cut
>> >> requirments then maybe, just maybe they should find another line of
>> >> employment. Perhaps they should consult with each other and draw up an
>> >> IPE!
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Joe!
>> >>
>> >>
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