[nfbmi-talk] jobs are available at Leader Dog

joe harcz Comcast joeharcz at comcast.net
Sun Dec 4 14:48:17 UTC 2011 

Hi J.J. and All,

It only goes to the issue of form over substance. I was simply being a bit 
tongue in cheek about the Braille item. But, whether or not a resume is 
"pretty" or "visually appealing" cannot cover for bad content.

I mean MCB puts out pretty online publications from time to time like its 
annual report and its Insight Magazine. But, they are full of half truths at 
best if there is any meaningful content to them at all.
I have other anecdotes to share in the future.

But, this debate isn't one worth going into any further in my ming though I 
think all would agree that it is critical for blind folks in today's market 
place to be very well educated and equipped to meet technology challenges of 
the 21st Century if we are to garner meaningful employment in almost any 
realm.

I also think it is a sort of continuing educational need for those of us who 
are older, but still wishing to be competively employed and/or even to live 
independently with a certain ammount of success.

This is why getting MCB back on the right path, as it is the "funder" and 
provider of VR programs along with IL programs here is so important.

This is also why they must understand and implement what the Rehab Act 
requires when it relates to what the Rehab Act calls "Rehabalitive 
Technology" or what we call assistive technology. That does also include 
"services" which is to say "training".

But they don't meet these critical obligations for the most part. In fact as 
we've seen it is pretty difficult for many to even get into the system 
anymore or to even get a return phone call.

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] jobs are available at Leader Dog


> What does that have to do with the original requirement of a PDF?
>
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] jobs are available at Leader Dog
>
>
>> I'm talking about grapics and other do-dads...
>>
>> They don't compete for one moment with real work experience and academic 
>> credentials.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] jobs are available at Leader Dog
>>
>>
>>> If someone sends me a resume with some substance but they didn't take 
>>> any care in making it look good, I'm going to generally discard it. You 
>>> don't need to have the skill s of a graphic designer but at least put 
>>> some time into your presentation.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] jobs are available at Leader Dog
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was speaking generically in that there is nowadays a prejudice for 
>>>>visual presentation over substance in the workplace, period.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] jobs are available at Leader Dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>> It's unfair to look at their past history and assume there is some 
>>>>> form of prejudice here. If I were to hire for a position in my 
>>>>> company, I would require an electronic resume or perhaps set up a 
>>>>> website form. Yes, unfortunately, not everyone has a computer but it 
>>>>> is also something I feel to be important as a part of my job process. 
>>>>> I feel no obligation to accept a paper resume or one in a format that 
>>>>> will not suit my hiring process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> J.J. Meddaugh
>>>>> A T Guys
>>>>> Your Assistive Technology Experts
>>>>> (269) 216-4798
>>>>> http://www.ATGuys.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:54 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] jobs are available at Leader Dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear J.J. and All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My point was not that technically it is not duable, but rather, a 
>>>>>> .pdf, or print, faxed version of a resume can be problematic for 
>>>>>> blind folks who do not have access to all the latest and greatest in 
>>>>>> technology. It also goes to the fact that creating say a .pdf file 
>>>>>> has noting to do with the essential functions of the jobs at issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless a well put together Word document should not be an issue 
>>>>>> for them at Leader Dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is troubling to me is this appears to have a prejudice of visual 
>>>>>> form over substance at its core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It might seem subtle, and even trite, but it is very typical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For what these potential employers aresaying is they want visually 
>>>>>> pleasing resumes and value that over the real substance of one's 
>>>>>> abilities in a given feild.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shifting gears however it does go to show that we, who are blind 
>>>>>> desperately need advanced technical training in all the latest and 
>>>>>> greatest to be competative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We, for the most part including myself are not so. And we for the 
>>>>>> most part, including myself cannot afford to keep up. I am living 
>>>>>> with a six year old computer with Jaws 6.2, for example and cannot 
>>>>>> afford to upgrade right now. I will be getting an I-phone as soon as 
>>>>>> Verizon gets the new one in, perhaps on December 9.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, one thing exciting is that the MCB TC will be upgrading its 
>>>>>> tech component and we should all be able to access that component 
>>>>>> being critical for not only employment prospects but even independent 
>>>>>> living in the 21st century.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:18 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] jobs are available at Leader Dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is doable.
>>>>>>> Create a resume in Microsoft Word and then either save it as a .PDF 
>>>>>>> or use one of the many online Word to .PDF converters.
>>>>>>> For example
>>>>>>> http://www.convertfiles.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>> J.J. Meddaugh
>>>>>>> A T Guys
>>>>>>> Your Assistive Technology Experts
>>>>>>> (269) 216-4798
>>>>>>> http://www.ATGuys.com
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:14 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] jobs are available at Leader Dog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I like this except for the pdf requirement herein...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reason is obvious.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Larry Posont" <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] jobs are available at Leader Dog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Rachelle Kniffen
>>>>>>>>> To: president.nfb.mi at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:41 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Leader Dog Job Listings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Larry,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you again for giving Leader Dog time on your agenda at the
>>>>>>>>> Michigan NFB Convention earlier this month.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When we spoke you expressed an interest in finding out what jobs 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> available at Leader Dog. You can always review our open positions 
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> Leader Dogs for the Blind: Careers: Current Openings. Please feel 
>>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>>> to pass this link along to anyone you feel may be interested in
>>>>>>>>> finding out what jobs we have open. This page is continually 
>>>>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>>>> as positions are filled and new ones come available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rachelle Kniffen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marketing Specialist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leader Dogs for the Blind
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 248-659-5013
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> leaderdog.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Enhancing the lives of people who are blind and visually impaired.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To learn more about how we help empower our clients to increase 
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> mobility, independence and quality of life visit us at
>>>>>>>>> www.leaderdog.org.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Rachelle Kniffen
>>>>>>>>> To: president.nfb.mi at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:41 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Leader Dog Job Listings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Larry,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you again for giving Leader Dog time on your agenda at the
>>>>>>>>> Michigan NFB Convention earlier this month.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When we spoke you expressed an interest in finding out what jobs 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> available at Leader Dog. You can always review our open positions 
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> Leader Dogs for the Blind: Careers: Current Openings. Please feel 
>>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>>> to pass this link along to anyone you feel may be interested in
>>>>>>>>> finding out what jobs we have open. This page is continually 
>>>>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>>>> as positions are filled and new ones come available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rachelle Kniffen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marketing Specialist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leader Dogs for the Blind
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 248-659-5013
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> leaderdog.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Enhancing the lives of people who are blind and visually impaired.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To learn more about how we help empower our clients to increase 
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> mobility, independence and quality of life visit us at
>>>>>>>>> www.leaderdog.org.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Rachelle Kniffen
>>>>>>>>> To: president.nfb.mi at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:41 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Leader Dog Job Listings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Larry,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you again for giving Leader Dog time on your agenda at the
>>>>>>>>> Michigan NFB Convention earlier this month.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When we spoke you expressed an interest in finding out what jobs 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> available at Leader Dog. You can always review our open positions 
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> Leader Dogs for the Blind: Careers: Current Openings. Please feel 
>>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>>> to pass this link along to anyone you feel may be interested in
>>>>>>>>> finding out what jobs we have open. This page is continually 
>>>>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>>>> as positions are filled and new ones come available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rachelle Kniffen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marketing Specialist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leader Dogs for the Blind
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 248-659-5013
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> leaderdog.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Enhancing the lives of people who are blind and visually impaired.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To learn more about how we help empower our clients to increase 
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> mobility, independence and quality of life visit us at
>>>>>>>>> www.leaderdog.org.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Current Openings
>>>>>>>>> An opportunity that fits your background might be waiting for you! 
>>>>>>>>> To
>>>>>>>>> apply for the following positions, complete an application or 
>>>>>>>>> submit a
>>>>>>>>> PDF version of your resume to humanresources at leaderdog.org. Please
>>>>>>>>> note that if your resume is not a PDF, it will be discarded.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Position Department
>>>>>>>>> Director of Client Services Client Services
>>>>>>>>> Manager of Residential Services Client Services
>>>>>>>>> Deaf-Blind Apprentice Instructor Training
>>>>>>>>> Orientation & Mobility Guide Dog Mobility Apprentice Instructor 
>>>>>>>>> Training
>>>>>>>>> Canine Care Attendant Dog Care/Puppy Care
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leader Dogs for the Blind
>>>>>>>>> 1039 S. Rochester Rd.
>>>>>>>>> Rochester Hills, MI 48307
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The mission of Leader Dogs for the Blind is to enhance the lives 
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> people who are blind and visually impaired. Visit us online at
>>>>>>>>> leaderdog.org to find out more!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leader Dogs for the Blind
>>>>>>>>> 1039 S. Rochester Rd.
>>>>>>>>> Rochester Hills, MI 48307
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The mission of Leader Dogs for the Blind is to enhance the lives 
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> people who are blind and visually impaired. Visit us online at
>>>>>>>>> leaderdog.org to find out more!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leader Dogs for the Blind
>>>>>>>>> 1039 S. Rochester Rd.
>>>>>>>>> Rochester Hills, MI 48307
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The mission of Leader Dogs for the Blind is to enhance the lives 
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> people who are blind and visually impaired. Visit us online at
>>>>>>>>> leaderdog.org to find out more!
>>>>>>>>>
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