[nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
joe harcz Comcast
joeharcz at comcast.net
Mon Jan 10 22:47:49 CST 2011
You are not being sincere, or respectful, in my opinion of one who offers a
contribution of himself for the greater good.
And I am willing to put my money where my mouth is though my personal
resources are strained. It is insulting to the utmost degree to be slapped
in the face for such an offer made in Ernest.
That said we all or at least participants in the past two meetings know just
what was said and done.
And, I repeat, I am willing to contribute to the Washington Seminar in spite
of this and other rebukes.
It is deeply sad to me to have such rebukes made after all that I and others
have worked for on behalf of people who are blind. But, I, do not wish to
wear such things upon my being so-to-speak. Actions, past and present speak
much louder than mere words.
Regardless, I'm delighted to see that you, Donna are "taking the high road"
on this and related issues.
When some wished for advocates who was there? When kids wished for funding
for a part of trips who was there? When others wished for access to
information and other things who was there?
I'm trying to be restrained here Madame but please do not insist upon taking
a leak upon my head, or that of others I love and then persist in telling
me, "It is only raining."
Shoot, when folks wished for the very services you are receiving vis a vis
MCB for education and the waivers, or adjustments required by the Rehab Act
who was there all along Donna?
Maybe it is time for "Snoopy and the Red baron" to drop the gloves?
Now that I think about it I rescind my commitment to fund Elizabeth to the
Instead I will gladly fund the room for Ms. Wertzel who I am certain will
accept it with graciousness and in the spirit with which it is given.
Some people with common dignity say, "Thank you for things freely given and
in the spirit of communion and goodwill."
Now, I ask you this in your defense of the likes of Pat Cannon, et al:
"Would he with his taxpayer supported $120,000 plus salary do the same?"
Oh yes and by the way does anyone account for where the taxpayer's money is
now being spent on MCB TC at the Grand Resort in the Clarion Hotel; or even
monitor the web site of MCB which still has on it illegal policies and
directories of people who no longer work for it? Would yu, Donna oor
Elizabeth, for that matter be willing to contribute for any effort out of
your pocket as I have done and am willing to do and then take a slap in the
face for the very effort of doing so?
Come on Donna you've seen this and more over a decade and you and I have
been on the CIC and other outfits together. We know the score. It is not a
matter of conjecture, but, rather a matter of fact that MCB and all of its
services are out of control and out of compliance with several laws. That is
simply indisputable and a matter of public record and fact.
So, please do not again urinate upon my head, or that of Larry or anyone
else and tell me, "It's only raining."
And please do not take my contribution or pledge thereof with contempt. You
have supposedly prided yourself with all sorts of things and condemned
(rather obliquely others ad hominum), but I'll ask you this: "Where is your
contribution towards the common good, or even the debate?"
If you wish to put forward your thing about "Bird calls" or "picnics" or
other social things I'll not knock them, but would state out front that
these are social things that the worst of ACB can do.
Now, you, me and we are in the fight of our lives as far as blindness issues
We've seen over the last year alone the firing layoffs and retirements of
dozens of blind folks within MCB alone and the dissolution of programs
related to all people who are blind from the cradle to the grave. There is
more to come too. Yet, you and your small and small minded cabal sees fit to
denigrate anyone who bucks this or who fights for what is remotely right and
And then you and your small cabal have the audacity to pee once again upon
someone who offers even a helping hand with money to an individual or
individuals for the Washington Seminar? Oh I know I used the words "urinate"
and "pee". here and you'll likely counter with your stuff that "children are
on this list".
I guess you think blind folks are all children since most of whom you
reference are around thirty years old. But that only underscores your
materialistic , spin devoid of straight talk, and self centered venom that
I, for one will not tolerate, for it serves no productive good and actually
diminishes us all. I am delighted to engage you or others within or without
NFB over issues. But, I'll be damned if I'm going to engage or be abused
around personal "Politics" any more; nor will I abide seeing it aimed at
others trying to do what is right for others who are blind here in Michigan.
The petty prattling is just that and if you wish to continue again i wish
you a nice position within MCBVI. While there're many goodly folks within
that organization there are also many who simply live in a world of denial
and delusion; and or are just going along to get along.
But, I'll guarantee you and others this: "Even they wouldn't slap in the
face one who would fund a room to the Washington Trip in such an astounding
fashion as you've done here Donna!
If you cannot tell that I am ticked off and not going to take the
psychological warfare then you've received my message loud and clear. Nor,
am I going to tolerate it from anyone else. Again the line is drawn here.
You and others are either a part of the problem or you are a part of the
And, when even if through some frustration, and in an effort to ameliorate
issues one offers financial assistance to anyone the polite way to respond
is to say, simply: "Thank you."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna Posont" <donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
> Okay, Joe, you are not being sincere or respectful of Elizabeth. She has
> every right to ask for clearification of a motion that was not written out
> especially when it affects her.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
>> Ok, can we end this? I am willing to pay for your hotel out of my own
>> pocket Elizabeth.
>> How, much is it and where do I send the check?
>> sincerely and Respectfyully,
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> To: "NFB Michigan" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 3:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
>>> Thank you for sending out the minutes for the last conference call board
>>> meeting. Do you have any record of the motion as it was stated during
>>> the meeting? I recall there being some kind of stipulation about how
>>> many people needed to be in the room in order for the affiliate to pay
>>> for the room. However, I was not able to write down the exact wording of
>>> the motion as it was stated during the meeting. The more specific the
>>> motion is stated in the minutes, the less misunderstanding there will be
>>> about it.
>>>> From: christine_boone at comcast.net
>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:02:51 -0500
>>>> To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
>>>> Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
>>>> Quorum yes Larry Posont, Michael Powell, Terri Wilcox, Marcus Simmons,
>>>> Dave Robinson, Matt McCubbin, Mary Wurtzel, Melinda Latham,
>>>> Donna Posont.
>>>> Secretary's Report. Terri Wilcox. The Secretary's Report was approved.
>>>> Marcus Simmons moved to adopt the report as emailed. The
>>>> motion was seconded by Dave Robinson.
>>>> Treasurer's Report, Mary Wurtzel. The Youth Outreach account has
>>>> $1350.88. The affiliate account has $2924.71. The Newsline account
>>>> has $1,348.75. Dave Robinson moved adoption of the Treasurer's Report.
>>>> Mike Powell seconded the motion. The Treasurer's report was
>>>> approved. The Solicitation License needs 990's for the years 2004
>>>> through 2007.
>>>> President's Report. Larry Posont. We may get Discovery by the middle of
>>>> the month. There was a discussion about the law suit.
>>>> Washington Seminar, J.J. Meddaugh. We retain the motion to have a
>>>> female room for Michigan Affiliate Members. Dave Robinson made the
>>>> motion. It was seconded by Mary Wurtzel. The motion was approved. It
>>>> was understood that if there is extra space in the female room,
>>>> individuals who are not a part of our Michigan affiliate but wish to
>>>> stay in the room, must pay part of the cost of the room.
>>>> Mary Wurtzel will be in the women's room.
>>>> Student Division, Elizabeth Mohnke. The student division wants to have
>>>> a board meeting before Washington Seminar. It is desirable to
>>>> reestablish National Federation of the Blind of Michigan Scholarships.
>>>> Matt McCubbin might have a copy of the student constitution
>>>> that is needed.
>>>> Training of Staff. Jo Ann Pilarski recommended to Pat Cannon that the
>>>> training committee be kept small.
>>>> Summer 2011 National Convention Transportation. This will be discussed
>>>> further at the February 12 Quarterly Board Meeting.
>>>> Quarterly Board Meeting February 12,
>>>> 2011, Lansing. The meeting will be held either at The Guyer Community
>>>> Center or at Fred and Mary Wurtzel's church. It will commence
>>>> at 11 A.M. and end at 4 P.M. with lunch at 12:30.
>>>> Potential Commission Board Meeting, January. There might be a meeting
>>>> on the 21st or 29th on Business Enterprise Issues. We may need
>>>> a position paper on the detrimental aspects of these proposed motions.
>>>> Nature's Finest Bounty Report. Some coffee is being sold. A Nature's
>>>> Finest Bounty public relations person is needed. Dave Robinson
>>>> will help.
>>>> Monitoring Report? Find out what the agency is doing to comply with the
>>>> Monitoring Report. A letter will be written outlining our
>>>> concerns about the Commission's lack of compliance.
>>>> New Business: The legislative committee is eager to work on Newsline.
>>>> The legislative Committee is planning a conference call. The
>>>> Membership Committee planned to have a conference call.
>>>> Opportunities Unlimited for the Blind did not get the Rfp for Camp
>>>> Tuhsmeheta. Larry Posont proposes a meeting concerning Camp
>>>> Tuhsmeheta for everyone who is interested in camp programming for
>>>> Summer 2011. The Nfb is the only group with the interest and
>>>> knowledge to save and run Camp Tuhsmeheta. The blind need control of
>>>> the Camp. The Nfb makes a motion that we ask for accountability
>>>> for where all funds and the trust are being allocated. Marcus Simmons
>>>> moves adoption and Mary Wurtzel seconded the motion. The
>>>> motion is approved
>>>> A motion that National Federation of the Blind of Michigan call and
>>>> host a meeting to keep Camp Tuhsmeheta for the blind. The motion
>>>> is approved. Marcus Simmons calls for adoption and Mary Wurtzel seconds
>>>> the motion. The motion is approved.
>>>> People are being called to let them know of the return of Newsline. A
>>>> Press release was issued concerning Newsline. The
>>>> announcements section is very old. We need people to help with
>>>> announcements for Newsline. Mike Powell will help.
>>>> Send Chapter Election results to Peter Zaremba.
>>>> Old Business: Melinda Latham states that seven youth are going to
>>>> Washington Seminar. Youth will attend appoints. Youth are giving
>>>> influence about what they want to do while in Washington. We intend to
>>>> work on restarting the parent's division.
>>>> There is concern expressed about emails criticizing the Commission for
>>>> the Blind. The digest mode makes emails more compact. We are
>>>> required to carry out our state and National resolutions. Resolutions
>>>> need to go out on the list serve.
>>>> Adjourn at 10-08.
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