[nfbmi-talk] robin hill v mcb

Wed Mar 30 13:41:39 UTC 2011

Hi J.J.

Don't screen magnifiers work on image based files anyways without conversion 
to text?

I mean the issue here in my mind is direct access to public documents for 
blind folks who use screen readers or refreshible Braille programs who 
cannot access at the first instance image based files.

The principle here is the state agency is required to make the accommodation 
up front under the ADA. This is no different than if a state school handed a 
print document to a student and then told the student to get a reader or 
convert the thing herself. And even if one wished to do that we know of all 
the general issues, mistakes, etc. of OCR tools in converting documents. 
Some are just a plain mess.

Regardless, while I will be filing complaints on these systemic issues I do 
thank you for this tool.

Joe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] robin hill v mcb

> Great to hear. Glad it worked out for you.
>
> Cordially,
> J.J. Meddaugh
> A T Guys
> Your Assistive Technology Experts
> (269) 216-4798
> http://www.ATGuys.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Amy Shepherd" <ashepherd1 at aol.com>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] robin hill v mcb
>
>
>> J.J.
>>
>> This seems like a great site.  It was easy to sign-up and it took only a 
>> few seconds to "OCR" my document and then download it to Word.  It also 
>> has a built in magnification feature which was nice.   I easily saved the 
>> Word document to my computer and was able to read it with our Zoom Text 
>> screen reader.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Amy
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2011, at 4:16 PM, J.J. Meddaugh wrote:
>>
>>> There's free websites, such as www.ocrterminal.com
>>> that could convert PDFs to text.
>>>
>>> J.J. Meddaugh - A T Guys
>>> Your source for Code Factory, the iBill, KNFB Reader, Sendero GPS, audio 
>>> games, braillers, and more!
>>> http://www.atguys.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe harcz Comcast" 
>>> <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>>> To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:29 PM
>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] robin hill v mcb
>>>
>>>
>>>> All here is the public link to the Third Circuit Court of appeals case 
>>>> against MCB. unfortunately the court order is inaccessible to me as it 
>>>> is an image based pdf file. This is a substantial violation of the 
>>>> Americans with Disabilities Act (Title II) which governs all entities 
>>>> of State and local government including the right at the same time and 
>>>> place to receive fully accessible information at the same availability 
>>>> as the general public. Not to worry I'm certain that the State of 
>>>> Michigan ADA coordinator Patrick D. Cannon who was also a member of the 
>>>> United States Access Board's Courthouse Advisory committee is hot on 
>>>> this issue.
>>>>
>>>> I think not since he makes it a federal case to get accessible draft 
>>>> meeting minutes, his agency routinely denies customers access in 
>>>> alternate formats to their own records including IPEs, and the agency 
>>>> cannot even seem to supply accessible materials to BEP operators in 
>>>> their training classes.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless, this is public domain information and if anyone has the 
>>>> Open Book or other conversion tools I would be grateful if they would 
>>>> go to the link and the pdf order and convert it for me, and indeed the 
>>>> entire list.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> Attachment:
>>>> Link to:
>>>>
>>>> http://coa.courts.mi.gov/resources/asp/viewdocket.asp?casenumber=303034&fparties=&inqtype=public&yr=0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Docket No.: 303034
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MICHIGAN COURT OF APPEALS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> COA Case Number: 303034
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ROBIN HILL V COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Table with 6 columns and 6 rows
>>>>
>>>> 1
>>>>
>>>> HILL ROBIN
>>>>
>>>> PL-AE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RET
>>>>
>>>> (58657) MACK RICHARD G JR
>>>>
>>>> 600 WEST LAFAYETTE BLVD
>>>>
>>>> 4TH FLOOR
>>>>
>>>> DETROIT  MI 48226
>>>>
>>>> 313-964-4454
>>>>
>>>> 2
>>>>
>>>> CRUELL PAMELA
>>>>
>>>> PL-AE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SAM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3
>>>>
>>>> KELLY JACOLE
>>>>
>>>> PL-AE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SAM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 4
>>>>
>>>> PEGEUS DEONNE
>>>>
>>>> PL-AE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SAM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 5
>>>>
>>>> TURNER LESLIE
>>>>
>>>> PL-AE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SAM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 6
>>>>
>>>> COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND
>>>>
>>>> DF-AT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AG
>>>>
>>>> (67482) GROSSI CHRISTINA M
>>>>
>>>> 525 W OTTAWA ST FLOOR 5
>>>>
>>>> PO BOX 30736
>>>>
>>>> LANSING  MI 48909
>>>>
>>>> 517-373-6434
>>>>
>>>> table end
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Status: Case Concluded; File Open
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 01
>>>>
>>>> Case Flags: Emergency
>>>>
>>>> Remarks: trial 3/21/11
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Table with 5 columns and 21 rows
>>>>
>>>> 03/16/2011
>>>>
>>>> 1
>>>>
>>>> App For Leave to Appeal - Civil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Proof Of Service Date: 3/16/2011
>>>>
>>>> Answer Due: 3/18/2011
>>>>
>>>> Fee Code: STATE
>>>>
>>>> Attorney:67482 - GROSSI CHRISTINA M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 03/07/2011
>>>>
>>>> 2
>>>>
>>>> Order Appealed From
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: WAYNE CIRCUIT COURT
>>>>
>>>> Case Number: 09-001410-CD
>>>>
>>>> Trial Court Judge: 19891 SAPALA MICHAEL F
>>>>
>>>> Nature of Case:
>>>>
>>>>    Summary Disposition - Partial
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 03/16/2011
>>>>
>>>> 4
>>>>
>>>> Telephone Contact
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For Party: 6 COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND DF-AT
>>>>
>>>> Attorney: 67482 - GROSSI CHRISTINA M
>>>>
>>>> Comments: Ann Sherman called;she said to use Christina Grossi as filing 
>>>> aty;Sherman just efiled it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 03/16/2011
>>>>
>>>> 5
>>>>
>>>> Motion: Stay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Proof Of Service Date: 3/16/2011
>>>>
>>>> Filed By Attorney: 67482 - GROSSI CHRISTINA M
>>>>
>>>> For Party: 6 COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND DF-AT
>>>>
>>>> Fee Code: STATE
>>>>
>>>> Immediate Consideration: Y
>>>>
>>>> Answer Due: 3/18/2011
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 03/16/2011
>>>>
>>>> 6
>>>>
>>>> Motion: Waive MCR 7.209 re Trans &/or Orders
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Proof Of Service Date: 3/16/2011
>>>>
>>>> Filed By Attorney: 67482 - GROSSI CHRISTINA M
>>>>
>>>> For Party: 6 COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND DF-AT
>>>>
>>>> Fee Code: STATE
>>>>
>>>> Answer Due: 3/18/2011
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 03/17/2011
>>>>
>>>> 7
>>>>
>>>> Telephone Contact
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For Party: 1 HILL ROBIN PL-AE
>>>>
>>>> Attorney: 58657 - MACK RICHARD G JR
>>>>
>>>> Comments: JMI left vmail for aty Mack;answer due 3/18 by 10am in 
>>>> Detroit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 03/17/2011
>>>>
>>>> 9
>>>>
>>>> Submitted On Special Motion Docket
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Event: 1 App For Leave to Appeal - Civil
>>>>
>>>> Event: 5 Stay
>>>>
>>>> Event: 6 Waive MCR 7.209 re Trans &/or Orders
>>>>
>>>> District: D Item #: 1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 03/18/2011
>>>>
>>>> 10
>>>>
>>>> Answer - Motion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Proof Of Service Date: 3/18/2011
>>>>
>>>> Event No: 5 Stay
>>>>
>>>> For Party: 1 HILL ROBIN PL-AE
>>>>
>>>> Filed By Attorney: 58657 - MACK RICHARD G JR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 03/18/2011
>>>>
>>>> 12
>>>>
>>>> Order: Application - Deny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Click here
>>>>
>>>> to view document in PDF format.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Event: 1 App For Leave to Appeal - Civil
>>>>
>>>> Event: 5 Stay
>>>>
>>>> Event: 6 Waive MCR 7.209 re Trans &/or Orders
>>>>
>>>> Panel: KFK,CMM,KFH
>>>>
>>>> Immediate Consideration Granted
>>>>
>>>> Attorney: 67482 - GROSSI CHRISTINA M
>>>>
>>>> Comments: GRANT mtn to waive the stay requirements of MCR 7.209;DENY 
>>>> mtn for stay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 03/18/2011
>>>>
>>>> 13
>>>>
>>>> Verbal Order To Parties-Phone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> table end
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Case Listing Complete
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