[nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline

Sat Oct 22 04:34:54 UTC 2011

Dear Fred Wertzel,

Sometimes even I, Joe Harz makes technical or other mistakes and indeed I 
might be innaccurate from time to time.

If so I have no issue with being called out in that regard. I do not take it 
personally though I am not a highly paid public official or public servant 
(not aimed at you Fred this comment).

Regardless, and generally speaking, there are areas of gray. But when it 
comes to MCB there seems to be a whole lot of "black" and "white" lately 
speaking going on.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline

> hi Joe,Apology accepted.  Email can be a problem.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 7:47 PM
> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>
> Sorry Fred,
>
> There were some cross postings that very much confused me on a number of
> different messages including the one we're now referring to. I earnestly
> though you were talking about Elizabeth's constitutional amendments which
> weren't anyone's call but that of convention assembled.
>
> Still, this aid, my mistake in posting relative to other posts. I'm sorry
> and you are correct.
>
> I goofed and responded to the wrong message.
>
> Again apologies.
>
> It was by the way a focus issue but, regardless the fault was mine and 
> again
>
> I apologise to you, elizabeth and one and all for the confusion and my
> mistake which I, again own wholly.
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fred wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>
>
>> Hi joe,
>>
>> First this is silly.
>>
>> Second, she specifically addressed me byy saying Fred in the salutation.
>>
>> Third, she was asking, as I understood, if we could extend the
>> pre-registration deadline.  In answer to this question, I simply stated
>> that
>> it is not my call as to whether it can be extended.  I did not set the
>> deadline, I was not delegated to set or change said same and thus, cannot
>> unilaterally change it.
>>
>> Fourth, larry is President.  He can give appropriate instructions and 
>> can,
>> as you suggest, determine whether he or the board or Mary, as convention
>> co-chair, can make a decision to change the deadline.
>>
>> Fifth, save your legalisms for MCB.  We have very frequent boardmeetings
>> and
>> you know the President's phone number.
>>
>> As for Elizabeth, she and I are perfectly capable of working out our
>> communication with out the assistance of others, thank you very much.
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:49 PM
>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>>
>> Hi Fred,
>>
>> Not to be anal or anything else, but I thoughtElizabeth was simply asking
>> for opinions. I didn't think they needed or requested anything more.
>> Correct
>> me if wrong here Elizabeth, but wasn't that what you wanted?
>>
>> Regardless being cslightly confused myself I'm only wonderrring if the
>> division requires a vote on this thing and if that is what Elizabeth was
>> preficing?
>>
>> Regardless, I think that Elizabeth was using this list most appropriately
>> in
>> trying to give us all an accessable "heads up" to what she is proposing.
>>
>> I also think that given the dirth of accessable venues to make such 
>> things
>> accessable to all that this is highly appropriate.
>>
>> in other words I think she was asking for suggestions as to the language,
>> etc. of her concerns which I think highly appropriate.
>>
>> Now, as per formalities, legalities and all that I just don't know.
>>
>> But, certainly I must say that if there are spelling or grammatical 
>> errors
>> or whatever in any Constitution it nmakes us look bad if nothing else
>> andshould be rectified.
>>
>> So far as this all goes I am in full agreement with what Elizabeth has
>> done
>> as far as I understand it and I applaud, as I've done in the past her
>> efforts so far as they go in these regards too.
>>
>> My only contention on this issue being somewhat coulded here Fred by
>> receiving only snippets...Not the fault of anyon here...Is this:
>>
>> "This isn't the domain of Larry as you suggest per se." This should be a
>> Constitutional matter based upon rule of law, and the Constitution is the
>> law in our regards.
>>
>> Now do not get me wrong here and this is by no means an attack upon you,
>> Larry or Elizabeth in these matters.
>>
>> It is just that NFB MI is a duelly constituted board with 501 (c0 (3)
>> obligations and with other "fiduciary charges" of stewardship including 
>> in
>> its design and guiding principles and actions like its Constitution, as
>> our
>> affiliates and all that too...
>>
>> Anyway, the only and I repeat only thing I have disagreement with here
>> Fred
>> is that it isn't "larry's call" as you suggest.
>>
>> NFB is a democratic organization and it is thecall of the "body politic"
>> in
>> this type of thing. that is the issue
>>
>> Thisis not personal in the least again by the way. My comments neither
>> disparage you, Larry or Elizabeth but state principles in fact, law and
>> equity that are not disputable.
>>
>>
>>
>> I
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Not my call.  Talk to larry or mary.  I'm just the messenger.
>>>
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Elizabeth
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:32 PM
>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>>>
>>> Hello Fred,
>>>
>>> thank you for sending out this announcement. However, if we are 
>>> extending
>>> the date to reserve rooms for the convention, would it be possible to
>>> extend
>>> the deadline for pre-registration as well? If someone has not reserved a
>>> hotel room yet, being able to receive the pre-registration rates might
>>> serve
>>> as an incentive for booking a room. Just my thoughts for whatever they
>>> may
>>> be worth.
>>>
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:14 PM
>>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>;
>>> "Michigan Comm for the Blind Vision 20/20 List"
>>> <MCB2020-L at LISTSERV.MICHIGAN.GOV>
>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Convention Co-chairperson, Mary Wurtzel,  has asked me to send out the
>>>> following.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The deadline for registering for rooms at the kalamazoo Clarion Hotel
>>>> is october 25.  Our block of rooms will be released after that and
>>>> rates and rooms may not be available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To make reservations call 269-385-3922.  To be eligible for convention
>>>> room rates of $79.99 you must make a reservation and be registered for
>>>> the convention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For information contact larry Posont, President at 517-482-1800 or
>>>> mary Wurtzel at 517-485-0326.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We all look forward to seeing our friends and colleagues in Kalamazoo
>>>> november 4-6 for an exciting and action-packed weekend of changing
>>>> what it means to be blind in Michigan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fred Wurtzel
>>>>
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