[nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user

joe harcz Comcast joeharcz at comcast.net
Thu Sep 22 12:30:06 UTC 2011 

Yup, and likely he should be locked up for his own protection if not for 
that of society at large...lol..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user


> Of course Joe, that's really my point.  There are so many clues to what 
> the dog is for and what is going on to quote a line out of Stephen Kings 
> "Black House".  "Even a blind man can see it".  This supposed security 
> guard sure must be ignorant!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>
>
>> Yes, it is. In fact at one time we had "ugly laws" against folks with 
>> disabilities right here in America.
>>
>> I understand your point Larry, but that is something advocates fought 
>> against years ago.
>>
>> Again if facts are as they were presented in this news story then the 
>> book should indeed be thrown at this joker who abused and assaulted a 
>> person under the color of law.
>>
>> It actually makes his crime worse in my opinion for it makes folks 
>> disrespect or worry about the notion of lawfulness and certainly 
>> denigrates legal authority.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>>
>>
>>> Maybe her dog was ugly or something!  No, that's discrimination!!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>>>
>>>
>>>> And here is the ultimate point: No one including a petty rent a cop or 
>>>> even an established police officer has the right to engage in assault 
>>>> and battery of anyone outside the use of lawful restraint against a 
>>>> perpetrator of a crime.
>>>>
>>>> This lady whether she showed an ID or not was not engaging in a crime 
>>>> by any measure. And the resulting assault and battery upon her person 
>>>> was an abuse of power pure and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Let me put it into a non-blind context.
>>>>
>>>> A police officer might rightfully pull over a person for a traffic 
>>>> violation and might rightfully ask for ID (although the ADA requires no 
>>>> ID whether we like it or not, but another issue for a service dog, 
>>>> etc.)...anyways a police officer or a security gard hired by SSA for 
>>>> crying out loud  doesn't have the right to assault and batter any 
>>>> individual any more than you or I can do so.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone in my opinion should be insulted and infuriated at the abuse of 
>>>> power by nominal police powers in this instance if all things are as 
>>>> presented.
>>>>
>>>> Not only did this ex-officio officer of the law violate allegedly the 
>>>> right of this person to access the confines of the Social Security 
>>>> Administration...her right to access the governmental services and 
>>>> programs of the United States Government...aka the Social Security 
>>>> Adminuistration...But he actually in alledged fashion commited not only 
>>>> civil violations of law but actual criminal violations of law.
>>>>
>>>> No one has the right let alone a person acting under so-called color of 
>>>> law -- Original Message -----  the right to assault and batter anyone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> THAT IS THE ULTIMATE BOTTOM LINE. I use upper casehere for a reason and 
>>>> to emphasize that just because one where's a badge he or she may not 
>>>> violate vcivil rights or act in a criminal capacity.
>>>>
>>>> would I have the right to throw  out your shoulder because you didn't 
>>>> show me this or that ID when it wasn't required under law in the first 
>>>> place? And because I had some plastic badge nominally giving me bully 
>>>> powers over you? No, I sure as heck wouldn't have such a right. Even 
>>>> under the most libertarian constructs I don't have the right to assault 
>>>> and batter you Larry or anyone else. does someone given a badge by the 
>>>> Feds get such a right? I don't think so. Or not at least in a 
>>>> democratic-republic where we are supposed to be a government of law and 
>>>> not of perfidious men.
>>>>
>>>> Should an agent of the state garnering federal and taxpayer funds be 
>>>> granted a pass? Hell no! If these facts are as they are this is an 
>>>> abuse of police powers that is despicable in a democratic-republic by 
>>>> any measure.
>>>>
>>>> As in all of these cases I'm appalled at the second guessing of the 
>>>> victim of state sanctioned abuses of power, priveledge and civil 
>>>> rights.
>>>>
>>>> This is akin in my mind to the often abused issue of the vicitims of 
>>>> sex crimes in that the victim of rape for example are often put on 
>>>> trial.
>>>>
>>>> Now, again I only go by news accounts here and I wish for a true 
>>>> proceeding to take place with equal protection and due process of law 
>>>> for all involved. But, if the thing whent donw as portrayed then why 
>>>> should this state actor acting under color of law be given a pass for 
>>>> assault and battery and indeed why isn't he up on charges for civil 
>>>> rights violations and for 'violations of hate crime legislation>?
>>>>
>>>> Listen I have thegreatest respect for law enforcement officers and for 
>>>> quasi-law enforcement oficers in general. They do a tough job. But 
>>>> theyare not and cannot be beyond the reach of the law itself or the law 
>>>> breaksdown.
>>>>
>>>> Bad apples must be weeded out in the legal system and in fact in the VR 
>>>> system or the isn't anything left to defend but perfidy, corruption and 
>>>> chaos.
>>>>
>>>> When ccorrection agents in this state raped for decades women in 
>>>> prision resulting in a $100 million plus settlement against the state 
>>>> what did that say about the rule of law?
>>>>
>>>> We taxpayers are still paying for this garbage to this day including 
>>>> those who are blind with denigration of services.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sick of the public criminals being left off the hook and even 
>>>> continuing in many instances with their high priced crimes against us.
>>>>
>>>> And I'm even more sick and saddened and outraged at the fact that some 
>>>> in our community point out the this that or the other thing or 
>>>> ommission of a blind or disabled person in that he or she didn't dot an 
>>>> I or cross a T while being abused outright. I'm not aiming this at you 
>>>> Larry as you'll likely know. And you're a tough guy and right with the 
>>>> world.
>>>>
>>>> But, darnit I'm ticked that whenever these things get exposed the first 
>>>> place some look are at the victims and not the victimizers.
>>>>
>>>> Hope you understand I'm using this as a launcing point about principles 
>>>> Larry and not at all aimed at you per se.
>>>>
>>>> Peace only Comes with Justice,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I agree to a point.  I always keep my ID with me and also she has the 
>>>>>school tag on her.  But if you have a dog in harness and someone 
>>>>>observes you for a minute or so, they can clearly see what the dog is 
>>>>>there for!
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Bob Mates" <bluesbob at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> That was a terrible incident, but it underscores the importance of 
>>>>>> always having your school ID on you.  I once had an incident, in 
>>>>>> Newark, New Jersey, which threatened to get ugly.  However, when I 
>>>>>> showed the guy my ID, with Max's picture on it, he changed his tune 
>>>>>> completely. Chances are, you'll never get asked to show your ID. 
>>>>>> However, on the off chance that you are asked, it's good to have it 
>>>>>> handy.  I hope that security guard gets fired.  He's not only a 
>>>>>> lawbreaker; he's also a liar, for saying he's a federal employee. 
>>>>>> Blessings, Bob
>>>>>>
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