[nfbmi-talk] Faith Meadows Letter
fred olver
goodfolks at charter.net
Mon Sep 26 14:04:19 UTC 2011
You can call it what you want, Joe, but if you haven't the guts to back up
what you say by putting it in a public forum where it could be acted upon
then the facts speak for themselves.
Fred Olver
----- Original Message -----
From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Faith Meadows Letter
> This is blaming the victims of perfidy for the very perfidy documented
> over and over again Msir.
>
> This isn't any longer a matter of simple opinion.
>
>
> But you now strike out at the likes of me for "whistle blowing" and then
> blame me for the fact that corrupted powers are still in power?
>
> How does this make even one iota of sense, even common sense?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Faith Meadows Letter
>
>
>> Joe, I will not comment on Faith Meadows, however if your overall dispute
>> is with the leadership of MCB, that being Pat Cannon and you believe and
>> can substantiate his improprieties as director of MCB then you as a
>> citizen have an obligation to seek his removal as director. If you do not
>> then the responsibility for his remaining in office falls on your head
>> for ignoring the illegalities which he as director has perpetrated on the
>> citizens of Michigan who are blind. Your words are like arrows, to me.
>> You can, at will seem to use them for good or you can choose to use them
>> for evil, at best, though, at this point I'm beginning to think they are
>> just words and I haven't seen anything to point up the fact that you
>> think Pat Cannon is a bad director. I hear lots of words and some small
>> actions to get the MCB to provide you with specific materials, but I
>> don't see you causing or ensighting change in policy. Again, I would
>> state, if you think Mr. Cannon is not good for the commission than find
>> the ammunition to remove him from office. This talk about people wetting
>> on the heads of others etc. becomes very old after a while. In other
>> words, Joe, and I regret to feel a need to say this, put your money where
>> your mouth is. Get him out, or take the necessary steps to rid the
>> commission of him and do it well, so no one has any cause for regret. If
>> his work, ethics, decisions are so bad, and you can prove that he has
>> violated the law and the edicts put forth with regard to rehabilitation
>> of blind folks by Congress then show us, and everyone else where he has
>> gone wrong.
>>
>> Use your words for the good of one and all, not to create devisiveness
>> and anger. Nothing you say on this list is going to make a difference to
>> Pat Cannon or anyone else who works for MCB, however if you put your
>> words to use in a public forum and create a series of debating points and
>> an avenue for change then you have done your best. I dare you.
>>
>> Fred Olver
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Faith Meadows Letter
>>
>>
>>> Hi Fred,
>>>
>>> While I substantially agree I'm compelled to point out that Faith acted
>>> publicly and in her public capacity.
>>>
>>> She did after all pen official board correspondence. If these were
>>> simple words between a debating society or even amongst friendly
>>> comrades over an adult beverage or two it wouldn't amount to much and,
>>> I'd agree with you. But, that isn't the case here.
>>>
>>> This said, I've got no other axe to grind with Faith per se. And in fact
>>> have ironically stood for her in the past.
>>>
>>> The real issue as you and I and all know is that Pat Cannon fueled this
>>> dog fight for his own Machiavellian purposes.
>>>
>>> That is the core to his "patronage" game.
>>>
>>> It is all about jobs after all. And those jobs aren't based upon merit,
>>> but rather, allegiance and fealty to a petty dictator.
>>>
>>> The evil of it all is that our times in general are as desperate to a
>>> degree as they've ever been for we in America are indeed in a Great
>>> Recession. times are tough for anyone out there especially in Michigan
>>> and times certainly are tougher for people with any disability let alone
>>> those who are blind.
>>>
>>> Except for the fact that many have the rightful social safety net of
>>> social security the bulk of us would be living on some localized public
>>> assistance or begging literally in the streets of America. Those are
>>> indeed factual statements.
>>>
>>> This is why the words of this professional, paid for at again the public
>>> teet is so hypocritical; so ironic; and indeed, so dangerous.
>>>
>>> The fact that Faith is blind, and I think generally competent makes this
>>> all the more insidious.
>>>
>>> This is an extreme moral issue in my mind.
>>>
>>> It is not unlike the fact that many Jews in Nazi Germany sold out their
>>> brethren to save their own skins during those troubled times.
>>>
>>> I understand why those folks did what they did. But we must call gross
>>> immorality even under duress what it is.
>>>
>>> And, of course as in that moral illustration we must go to the root
>>> cause of it all.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty well convinced that under better leadership, for example that
>>> Faith might well be a positive force for good and positive change. I
>>> won't dispute that for a moment.
>>>
>>> But, that supports my fundamental premise pointing out the elephant in
>>> the room. For until Dictator Cannon is gone then nothing will change
>>> positively for the blind of Michigan. And, btw things are going to be
>>> tough enough with the way things are in the over all economy.
>>>
>>> In these troubled times the activities of publicofficials or those
>>> acting in public capacity that are corrupted give fodder to those who
>>> wish to eliminate programs altogether.
>>>
>>> That, Fred is why the actions of Faith are so perfidious.
>>>
>>> Finally, while I'm sensitive again to a degree I'm not going to weep and
>>> moan for someone making $60,000 plus while the bulk of the blind are
>>> unemployed. I certainly won't weep for such an individual when she
>>> denigrates en masse those very people she is charged and paid for to
>>> serve. She publicly urinated upon the heads of all blind people
>>> regardless as to race, color, creed, or affiliation. That is
>>> intolerable. It is indeed class treason in her own chosen and, again
>>> public words.
>>>
>>> It is because the times are so desperate and that moral issues are so
>>> profound in desperate times that this issue is so important..
>>>
>>> And, yes, Faith made a public policy issue very personal to all of us in
>>> word, fact, and deed.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Fred wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
>>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Faith Meadows Letter
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am a little reluctant to get into this thread. joe,, though I
>>>> disagree
>>>> with Faith regarding her comments, I feel it is just what our enemies
>>>> want,
>>>> that is, to fight with each other and sew emnity among us when we need
>>>> to
>>>> focus on the real issues of lack of direction and leadership from top
>>>> MCB
>>>> management. It appears that Faith is falling into this same trap.
>>>> When
>>>> clients are called back, have their cases opened in a timely manner,
>>>> don't
>>>> show up in Kalamazoo at the Center without having ever met a MCB
>>>> client,
>>>> blind people are not fired and bullied and intimidated for their desire
>>>> to
>>>> make things better and we have 250-300 placements on a regular basis,
>>>> then
>>>> we will know that things are improving at MCB. No matter what anyone
>>>> says
>>>> about our motives, these are facts and cannot be denied. It cannot be
>>>> denied who is the top manager and who is in a position to change these
>>>> dismal facts. We need not beat up on one another or compare who is
>>>> more
>>>> trampled on when, in fact, when 1 blind person is trampled on, all of
>>>> us are
>>>> trampled on, even those who feel privileged and somehow above the fray.
>>>> Faith has a record to stand on and we all do to. None of us need feel
>>>> superior or better because some of us have been blessed with
>>>> opportunity
>>>> while others have been held back. Except for the Grace of God, there
>>>> go I.
>>>>
>>>> warmest Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:37 PM
>>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Faith Meadows Letter
>>>>
>>>> Meadows isn't living poor. Her salary and credentials are a part of the
>>>> public record as again is her nominal code of ethics.
>>>>
>>>> Listen one and all I've been easy on Faith as I've been on many others.
>>>> But
>>>> this is corructed bullshit in a word.
>>>>
>>>> This garbage is again beyond her code of ethics ethicllly speaking and
>>>> her
>>>> own given premise in the field.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, yes when people make sixty thousand per year plus at the public
>>>> teet
>>>> then they must be held accountable to their own proprofessionaland
>>>> other
>>>> standards for sure.
>>>>
>>>> I used to feel a bit sorry for the likes of Faith Meadows. I don't at
>>>> all
>>>> nowadays for she is a traitor and a direct hypocrite as to her words
>>>> and
>>>> actions as if she would ever have a job in the private sector?
>>>>
>>>> I ddidn't wish for this to devolve into a blind upon blind campaign,
>>>> but
>>>> dangnit it has and I didn't shoot the first shot across the bow.
>>>>
>>>> This professional, so-called counselior who makes more than sixty
>>>> thousand
>>>> per year at the public teet has the unmitigated temerity to slander an
>>>> entire clas for its so-called lack of responsability whilst she and the
>>>> entire agency in documented fashion has sucked not only at our very
>>>> blood,
>>>> but also violated the very laws that give this crank her paycheck?
>>>>
>>>> Listen, one and all she slanderrred and attacked me personally in her
>>>> innuendo and conjecture while again she suck up federal/state taxpayer
>>>> dollars. Now, I'll remin all I'm not a hypocrite. I am decidedly left
>>>> of
>>>> center. Yet for all of my own career, with the exception of three years
>>>> in
>>>> the mid-seventies wilst working for the Genesesse count ISD as a
>>>> para-aide
>>>> at below union wages until I founded a union in fact I've always worked
>>>> for
>>>> the private sector.
>>>>
>>>> How ironic is that eh?
>>>>
>>>> I will no longer work for sellouts, incompetents and discriminatory
>>>> actors.
>>>>
>>>> I just won't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Faith Meadows Letter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Christy, What I'm mostly responding to is that this person whom I know
>>>>> well, can attack us and think we are just complaining to do so. I got
>>>>> involved with the NFB because I'm job hunting and am not getting
>>>>> anywhere!
>>>>
>>>>> This isn't the first time that MS. Meadows has let loose like this.
>>>>> She
>>>>> certainly has a right to her oppinion but sence she works in the rehab
>>>>> field she should be supporting us in our efforts. Beeing a person who
>>>>> would LOVE!!! to have a job and is doing everything possible to
>>>>> obtain
>>>>> that goal. Well, I guess I am getting tired of being stereotyped as
>>>>> someone who would rather live of the government than contribute to it!
>>>>> MS. Meadows also claims or was a member of our organization as well.
>>>>> Finally, she has become one of those folks who are doing alright and
>>>>> at
>>>>> least seem to have most of what we want. This is a good thin unless
>>>>> you
>>>>> do what she has done and judge those of us who are trying and getting
>>>>> nowhere! I, like Mr. Harcz, do believe that They are doing the best
>>>>> they
>>>>> can down in Kalamazoo but some folks are not doing the jobs they have
>>>>> well
>>>>
>>>>> and in fact are not giving deserving blind folks as good a service as
>>>>> they
>>>>
>>>>> can. Most of the counsellors are well intentioned. But training of
>>>>> counsellors and clients does need to improve! I'm very happy that you
>>>>> don't really need the services but some folks do and that's what we
>>>>> need
>>>>> to improve!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <christywitte at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 5:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Faith Meadows Letter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can definitely see why some people are frustrated and even
>>>>>> angry.
>>>>>> However, last time I checked, our job is not to judge others our
>>>>>> spout
>>>>>> off. If people could use that energy they feel to accomplish a goal,
>>>>>> like
>>>>
>>>>>> getting a job it would be great. I'm not responding specifically to
>>>>>> anyone on the list. I know that sometimes there are misconceptions
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> the commission and what it does and what it does not do. Try to turn
>>>>>> your
>>>>
>>>>>> tragedies to triumphs. Also, blindness is just one adjective to
>>>>>> describe
>>>>>> us; beyond that, we come from all walks of life and so we have many
>>>>>> experiences and abilities. Sometimes, we have to take things in our
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> hands. If we do not believe in our own abilities, how do we expect
>>>>>> others
>>>>
>>>>>> to believe in our abilities. We all must forge ahead to achieve
>>>>>> success;
>>>>>> means something to everybody. Some of us are very young or very old,
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> have other disabilities, difficult lives, varying levels of skills.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> are all given a different lot in life but we need to work within our
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> parameters to get things done. The commission can be lacking, this is
>>>>>> true, but blaming an organization, which is composed of many people,
>>>>>> doesn't get us a paycheck or whatever we feel we want and need
>>>>>> individually and as a group. We must forge together and stand
>>>>>> together to
>>>>
>>>>>> win our battles. By the way, I've never gotten assistance from
>>>>>> anybody. I
>>>>
>>>>>> think about what I would do in their shoes; I also consider how much
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> would want to help or assist someone who has attacked me. I am not
>>>>>> trying
>>>>
>>>>>> to offend others nor am I condoning people who don't get the job
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>> I've also observed that many people in my generation may not fully
>>>>>> comprehend their own role in finding employment or understand what
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> job is going to involve. You have ask yourself: do I have the skills
>>>>>> necessary for this job and if I want this job, or one similar to it,
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> am I going to personally acquire the skills that are lacking. Many
>>>>>> blind
>>>>>> people in my age group are unemployed, and many of those aren't
>>>>>> hitting
>>>>>> the pavement every day looking for enjoyable employment. I'm not sure
>>>>>> about the reasons. They may feel overwhelmed by the process; they may
>>>>>> feel like they are not equipped with the tools necessary to perform
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> job. It is kind of like climbing a mountain. You have to locate and
>>>>>> climb
>>>>
>>>>>> to the higher level.
>>>>>> Sorry about the length.
>>>>>> Christy
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:09 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Faith Meadows Letter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I'm concerned about her and others who think our commission
>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>> is to aggressive! Does this mean it didn't do much before? I
>>>>>>> thaught
>>>>>>> our board was supposed to actually do something! Just being the
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> man in the street, and correct me if I'm wrong at least 2 of the
>>>>>>> commissioners had very good jobs. I don't really know Lydia but if
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>> doesn't have one she would deffinetly have experience enough for the
>>>>>>> board. Both of the commissioners who quit had good jobs but decided
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> quit anyway because they were out numbered and in my humble oppinion
>>>>>>> didn't really have enough interest in making things better for the
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>
>>>>>>> population as a whole. It seems to me that when some blind folks
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> lucky and get good jobs they forget that most of us are still
>>>>>>> struggling
>>>>
>>>>>>> for the security and respect they think they have earned! I am not
>>>>>>> slamming everyone that has gotten jobs iether but people like Faith
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Donna Rose must feel secure in ther jobs so they find us especially
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> NFB tiresome because we still have to scratch and claw for every
>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>> rite we gett! If joblessness and respect were not issues then we
>>>>>>> wouldn't have to be aggressive about themm! But we should always
>>>>>>> insist
>>>>
>>>>>>> on fair play! At least the current board wants to do things right
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> abov board!
>>>>>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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