[nfbmi-talk] Washington Seminar

Jason Meddaugh jj at bestmidi.com
Thu Dec 27 18:14:54 UTC 2012 

That's a possibility for the future, but this wouldn't be very fair to Terri 
at this point. She would be penalized because she is the only female who has 
chosen to go and required to find 3 roommates to make things work out.
I guess the option at this point would be to vote to nullify the motion that 
the members passed at convention, though this sets a dangerous precedent. We 
could also post on the various lists to see if there is another state who 
has an extra room or a person needing one, which could help us cut the cost 
of the second room down.
Personally, I feel that the affiliate paying for the room or a portion 
thereof is the fairest way to do things and also easiest for the national 
office.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Mohnke" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Washington Seminar


> Hello Dave and List,
>
> I agree with what J.J. said in his last message. Although, it seems as 
> though we have had some kind of issue regarding the room arrangements for 
> the past three years. This is why I have suggested allocating a set amount 
> of money to be given individually in the future.
>
> Since this year's motion was to provide two rooms for three nights, we 
> could calculate how much it would cost each person to stay in a room with 
> four people for three nights. We could then provide each individual with 
> this amount of money so they could make their own room arrangements. If 
> they found a room with three additional people for three nights, there 
> would be no additional cost for them to stay in the room. However, if they 
> wanted their own room, a room with only one or two additional people, or 
> wanted to stay more nights, then it would be up to the individual to pay 
> for the remaining cost of the room.
>
> I am not suggesting we implement such a change this year because I know 
> that people have most likely already made their plans based on the motion 
> that was made at state convention, but perhaps it might be worth trying 
> next year. Again, it seems to me that we have had some kind of problem 
> regarding the room arrangements for the past three years, and I am simply 
> proposing and alternative solution that might prevent this from becoming 
> an issue in the future.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jason Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:50 AM
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Washington Seminar
>
>> Dave,
>> That may make sense in the future, but the motion was made and people 
>> have likely already made travel plans based on it.
>> I would say though that the legislative info meeting on Monday is at 
>> least one worth attending.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Jason Meddaugh
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Robinson" <drob1946 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Washington Seminar
>>
>>
>>> J. J.
>>>
>>>   The intent of the motion was to sponsor a room for men and one for 
>>> women
>>> for the Washington Seminar.  How we get it done and on what days seems 
>>> to be
>>> an issue, but I am sure that will be resolved based on when we can get
>>> appointments.  My request was based on the fact that if some were going
>>> early to attend seminars of any kind, that it would be helpful to be 
>>> sure to
>>> have one of our representatives cover the Merchants meeting.  My current
>>> responsibilities prevent me from attending, but I have walked those 
>>> halls
>>> many times and will do so in the future.  Perhaps, if we can get all of 
>>> our
>>> appointments in on two days then it might be prudent of us to only 
>>> sponsore
>>> two nights at the hotel.
>>>
>>> Dave Robinson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Jason
>>> Meddaugh
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:38 PM
>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Washington Seminar
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> As for your comment on the merchants committee, perhaps you should 
>>> attend
>>> Washington Seminar so you could attend the merchants committee meeting?
>>> The reason we haven't traditionally paid for a room on Wednesday night 
>>> is
>>> that our appointments are completed by the afternoon on Wednesday. 
>>> Michigan
>>> had 17 (now 16) appointments to attend, and by splitting up into two or 
>>> more
>>>
>>> groups, we are able to do these in a day and a half.
>>> If there were any discussion, it would be whether to pay for 2 nights or
>>> three. But I do believe the motion at state convention was for three 
>>> nights,
>>>
>>> and Sunday through Tuesday would make the most sense given our affiliate 
>>> and
>>>
>>> how we usually tackle the appointments and other events at Washington
>>> Seminar.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB Michigan" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Washington Seminar
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your response. I can understand your concerns. However,
>>>> since the minutes from state convention have yet to be released, it can 
>>>> be
>>>
>>>> difficult to recall the specific language that was used in the motion.
>>>>
>>>> If the motion from state convention specified that the state affiliate
>>>> provide rooms for Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday, then I believe this 
>>>> motion
>>>> should be honored. However, if there are no dates specified in the 
>>>> motion,
>>>
>>>> then I do not see why these dates could be flexible as long as everyone
>>>> benefits equally from these dates.
>>>>
>>>> But then again, if we just simply allocated a set amount of money to be
>>>> divided equally among everyone who goes to Washington Seminar, then
>>>> perhaps we could avoid all of the problems that seem to happen rather
>>>> frequently regarding the room arrangements.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, when I mentioned various seminars in my previous message, I 
>>>> was
>>>> not specifically referring to the student seminar. Last year there was 
>>>> a
>>>> seminar for people to become better acquainted with the specific issues 
>>>> we
>>>
>>>> were presenting to the members of Congress. Therefore, I do not believe
>>>> the ability to attend various seminars at Washington Seminar goes 
>>>> against
>>>> the primary purpose of the seminar.
>>>>
>>>> I think this would be like saying the only reason to attend national
>>>> convention is to attend the general session and nothing else. However, 
>>>> as
>>>> everyone knows, there is definitely more to national convention besides
>>>> simply attending general session. I think the same thing can be said 
>>>> about
>>>
>>>> Washington Seminar as well.
>>>>
>>>> Warm Regards,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: drob1946 at gmail.com
>>>>> To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 06:45:17 -0400
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Washington Seminar
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Elizabeth,
>>>>>
>>>>> You may be correct on the dates, but the intent of the support of 
>>>>> rooms
>>>>> was for Michigan people to visit our reps and senators. However, if we
>>>>> are
>>>>> paying for people to attend other seminars such as the student 
>>>>> meeting,
>>>>> would someone please attend and report on the Merchants division
>>>>> gathering
>>>>> as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Elizabeth Mohnke
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:17 PM
>>>>> To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Washington Seminar
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> There are usually a number of seminars during the day on Monday, so 
>>>>> most
>>>>> people usually arrive on Sunday so they can attend the seminars. And
>>>>> although I could be wrong, I believe I heard these specific dates as 
>>>>> part
>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> the motion as I was listening to the audio stream of the business 
>>>>> meeting
>>>>> during convention.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to me like we have an issue regarding the room arrangements
>>>>> almost
>>>>> every year. if this is the case, then perhaps maybe we could look into
>>>>> giving each individual a set amount of money and have them make their 
>>>>> own
>>>>> room arrangements in the future. I have heard of other states doing 
>>>>> this,
>>>
>>>>> so
>>>>>
>>>>> perhaps it might be worth a try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:15 AM
>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Washington Seminar
>>>>>
>>>>> > Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday will work better, as it all begins 
>>>>> > Monday
>>>>> > evening for most of us.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> > From: "Larry Posont" <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>
>>>>> > To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 22:33
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Washington Seminar
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>> National Federation of the Blind of Michigan
>>>>> >>> 20812 Ann Arbor Trail
>>>>> >>> Dearborn Heights, MI 48127
>>>>> >>> December 22, 2012
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Dear Michigan Federationists:
>>>>> >> The deadline for attending Washington Seminar is December 28.
>>>>> >>> There are four men and one woman who have asked to attend
>>>>> >>> Washington Seminar. If you would like to attend, please contact me
>>>>> >>> very soon, as it is becoming necessary for us to make final plans.
>>>>> >>> The
>>>>> >>> Affiliate will cover the cost of one room for men and one room for
>>>>> >>> women for Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday nights. Another motion was 
>>>>> >>> made
>>>>> >>> that members could receive some financial assistance at the
>>>>> >>> President's discretion in order to attend Washington Seminar. We 
>>>>> >>> need
>>>>> >>> to make final plans soon, so contact me promptly.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Sincerely yours,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Larry Posont, President
>>>>> >>> National Federation of the Blind of Michigan
>>>>> >>> (313) 271-3058
>>>>> >>> Email: president.nfb.mi at gmail.com
>>>>> >>> Web page
>>>>> >>> www.nfbmi.org
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
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