[nfbmi-talk] Fw: Response to Email of 2-1-12 - Final Budget for 2011

joe harcz Comcast joeharcz at comcast.net
Fri Feb 17 09:00:43 CST 2012


It happens because no one knows where all the money is or where it went and 
why and how and all that.

By the way is this on list? It sure in the heck should be.

Now, we have a state agency and all are corrupt, but I digress because we're 
looking at only MCB rright now that can't do basic accounting as documented 
in this FOIA alone, let alone the so-called transparency that Snyder 
promised; or in his words accountability.

What a ludicrous response this is. You know Marcus basically this is a kiss 
off and it is a discriminatory kiss off too which no one should tolerate. 
Frankly they are telling you a blind, African-American to kiss off because 
you are blind and an African-American. The discrimimination; the 
paternalism; and the bull is just so obvious.

Frankly even though I'm for de-institutionalization of people with mental 
illnesses I might have to reconsider when it comes to these  outrageously 
crazy state hacks. We might have to lock them up as they present a clear and 
present danger to themselves and others.


Continue to follow the money. Always follow the money.
 That is what "deep throat" told Woodward and Bernstein in the Watergate 
affair.
That is what we're seeing in the corruption in Wayne County.

Now why in the heck shouldn't these principles of investigation and all that 
not apply to the state apparatus and to MCB? Oh yes and some of this stuff 
is right out there on the internet...Some that is...But enough to hang these 
hacks in some countries. And surely enough for firing of derelicts in a sane 
society.

Oh yea when this agency wants to go after a BEP vendor they want spread 
sheets, bed sheets, and all the forms that all hackoids wish to hang someone 
with as they turn the paper mills into nooses around our necks. But here we 
see they don't even bother to launder their own dirty laundry, because they 
as the crazy fools they are say they are immune to that dirty business can 
answer all questions related to money laundering by referring folks 
continually to the "spin" cycle.



And if they want to go after a customer they'll bury them in inaccessible 
paper work.

But, here is again the core. This agency by its own arrogant admission here 
can't answer simple questions of accounting and accountability!


I hope if there is such a thing that the auditor general has a Braille 
microscope.

Regardless we know where in the heck it should be pointed don't we?




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcus Simmons" <MarcusSimmons at comcast.net>
To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:30 PM
Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: Response to Email of 2-1-12 - Final Budget for 
2011


It seems there is no final record of MCB money laundering for 2011. How can 
that be?

Changing what it means to be blind,
Marcus Simmons, vice-president,
Western-Wayne chapter
28179 Brentwood
Southfield, MI 48076-3069
Marcus.Simmons at interbizusa.com
(248) 552-8928
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Haynes, Carla (LARA)
To: MarcusSimmons at comcast.net
Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) ; Farmer, Mel (LARA) ; Turney, Susan (LARA) ; 
Duell, Elsie (LARA)
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Response to Email of 2-1-12 - Final Budget for 2011


February 15, 2012



Mr. Marcus Simmons

E-mail: marcussimmons at comcast.net

28179 Brentwood Street

Southfield, MI  48076-3069



Re:  Final Budget for FY 2011



Dear Mr. Simmons:



This letter is in response to your February 1, 2012, email in response to my 
January 31, 2012 email response to your request for copies of public 
records, which we received on January 19, 2012, under the state's Freedom of 
Information Act (FOIA), MCL 15.231 et seq.



You state:  "I did not find the final budget for 2011, please send."  Your 
email is attached.



Your request is denied as to existing, nonexempt records in the possession 
of this department responsive to your request pursuant to MCL 15.235, 
Section 5(4)(b) of the FOIA, after a search for public records responsive to 
this request, I certify that the public records, as requested, do not exist 
under the name given by you or another name reasonably known to the 
Department. Further, pursuant to MCL 15.233, Sections 3(4) and 3(5) of the 
FOIA, a public body is not required to make a compilation, summary, report 
of information, or create a new public record not already in existence as 
would be required to comply with your request.



In the spirit of cooperation, the attached Boards, Authorities & Commissions 
Financial Report for November 2012 including Projections (sent on January 
31, 2012, attached to the response to your FOIA) document includes the total 
of expenditures for FY11 in the first column.  I have also attached a March, 
2011 MCB Operating Budget which is the latest month in FY 11 (10/1/2010 to 
9/30/2011) of which exists to the best of my knowledge, information or 
belief, the document that we generally refer to as the MCB Operating Budget.



Under MCL 15.240 of the FOIA you may (1) submit a written appeal regarding 
the denial of any portion of your FOIA request to Mr. Steven H. Hilfinger, 
Director, Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs: 
Attention, Mike Zimmer, Chief Deputy Director, Ottawa Building, 4th Floor, 
P.O. Box 30004, Lansing, MI 48909. Your appeal notice must include the word 
"appeal" and state the reason(s) for reversal of the denial(s); or (2) you 
may seek judicial review in circuit court within 180 days of the 
Department's final determination. If you prevail in such action, the court 
shall award reasonable attorney fees, costs, and disbursements. If the court 
finds the Department's actions to be arbitrary and capricious, the court, in 
addition to any actual or compensatory damages, award punitive damages in 
the amount of $500.00.



Sincerely,



Carla Miller Haynes, FOIA Coordinator

Michigan Commission for the Blind



Attachments:

1.                   Email of 2-1-12

2.                   Boards, Authorities & Commissions Financial Report for 
November, 2012 and Projections

3.                   MCB Operating Budget of March, 2011



cc:           Patrick Cannon

                Mel Farmer

                Susan Turney

                Elsie Duell









From:                                         Marcus Simmons 
<MarcusSimmons at comcast.net>

Sent:                                           Wednesday, February 01, 2012 
2:51 PM

To:                                               Haynes, Carla (LARA)

Subject:                                     Re: Response to FOIA Request of 
1-18-2012 - Budgets for FY 11 and FY 12



Sorry, I did not find the final budget for 2011, please send.

Changing what it means to be blind,
Marcus Simmons, vice-president,
Western-Wayne chapter
28179 Brentwood
Southfield, MI 48076-3069
Marcus.Simmons at interbizusa.com
(248) 552-8928

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Haynes, Carla (LARA)

To: MarcusSimmons at comcast.net

Cc: Cannon, Patrick (LARA) ; Farmer, Mel (LARA) ; Turney, Susan (LARA) ; 
Luzenski, Sue (LARA) ; Duell, Elsie (LARA)

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:21 AM

Subject: Response to FOIA Request of 1-18-2012 - Budgets for FY 11 and FY 12



January 31, 2012



Mr. Marcus Simmons

E-mail: marcussimmons at comcast.net

28179 Brentwood Street

Southfield, MI  48076-3069



Re:  Budget for FY 2011 and Proposed Budget for FY 2012



Dear Mr. Simmons:



This letter is in response to your January 18, 2012, email request for 
copies of public records, received on January 19, 2012, under the state's 
Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), MCL 15.231 et seq.



You have requested information which you describe as (is also attached):



"I am writing you to request a copy of the budgets for the fiscal year 
ending on September 30, 2011 and a copy of the proposed budget for the 
fiscal year ending on September 30, 2012. I am requesting these documents in 
either Microsoft /Words or Excel format, delivered to my email address."



Your request is granted as to existing, nonexempt records in the possession 
of this department responsive to your request.



Attached are two documents: 1) MCB Internal Operating Budget for FY2012 and 
the November Projections which include the expenditures for FY11 in the 
first column.

These documents are also available at the MCB website 
(www.michigan.gov/mcb), go to MCB Documents and Reports 
(http://www.michigan.gov/lara/0,4601,7-154-28077_28313-261129--,00.html, 
then Budget Information.



Sincerely,



Carla Miller Haynes, FOIA Coordinator

Michigan Commission for the Blind



Attachments:

1.           Email of 1/18/12

2.           Two Budget Documents



cc:     Patrick Cannon

          Mel Farmer

          Susan Turney

          Elsie Duell









      BOARDS, AUTHORITIES AND COMMISSIONS









      Commission For The Blind (11210)









      FY 2012 Financial Report - November










             Projections Based on:


     12 Mths*
     13 Mths**
     Based on PR
     25


             Completed
     2.0
     2.0
     Completed
     3.0

             Remaining
     10.0
     11.0
     Remaining
     23.0


     PLAN

     ACTUAL EXPENDITURES



     PROJECTIONS









     Adjusted
     Current
     YTD thru November 2011

     Projected
     Anticipated





     FY 11
     Financial

     Financial
     Month



     Remaining
     Full Year
     Anticipated
     Percent
     Percent

      Categories
     Totals
     Plan
     Adj.
     Plan
     Expend.
     Expenses
     Encumb.
     Total
     Expenditures
     Expenditures
     Balance
     Of Plan
     Guideline

      Authorized Approp.
     26,819,700
     26,728,500
      26,728,500



        Unavailable funds
     (4,583,510)
      (3,713,778)
     (3,713,778)



        OPEB funding increase

     553,000
      553,000



      Available Approp.
     22,236,190
     27,281,500
     (3,713,778)
     23,567,722










      EXPENDITURES:






        Salaries & Wages
     5,597,803
     6,037,466
     0
     6,037,466
     447,652
     679,051
     0
     679,051
     5,358,415
     6,037,466
     0
     11.2%
     11.5%







        Longevity & Insurance
     1,250,099
     1,363,054
     0
     1,363,054
     96,517
     224,852
     0
     224,852
     1,138,201
     1,363,054
     0
     16.5%
     11.5%







        Retirement & FICA
     2,820,233
     3,777,719
     0
     3,777,719
     226,115
     363,900
     0
     363,900
     3,413,819
     3,777,719
     0
     9.6%
     11.5%







        Terminal Leave
     48,370
     50,000
     0
     50,000
     0
     0
     0
     0
     50,000
     50,000
     (0)
     0.0%
     15.4%







        Travel
     360,560
     362,000
     0
     362,000
     29,728
     39,098
     7,225
     46,322
     315,678
     362,000
     0
     10.8%
     15.4%







        Communications**
     142,549
     144,000
     0
     144,000
     11,614
     12,426
     0
     12,426
     131,574
     144,000
     (0)
     8.6%
     16.7%







        Utilities**
     75,182
     77,000
     0
     77,000
     2
     40
     0
     40
     76,960
     77,000
     0
     0.1%
     16.7%







        Contractual Services*
     4,679,535
     4,300,000
     0
     4,300,000
     109,896
     296,315
     461,524
     757,839
     3,542,161
     4,300,000
     (0)
     6.9%
     15.4%







        Consulting Services
     0
     310,000
     0
     310,000
     16,059
     16,059
     300,424
     316,483
     (6,483)
     310,000
     0
     5.2%
     15.4%







        Supplies & Materials**
     540,630
     542,000
     0
     542,000
     38,541
     45,705
     401
     46,106
     495,894
     542,000
     (0)
     8.4%
     16.7%







        Equipment*
     786,616
     788,000
     0
     788,000
     7,714
     10,387
     14,220
     24,607
     763,393
     788,000
     0
     1.3%
     16.7%







        Grants*
     125,176
     125,000
     0
     125,000
     24,224
     24,888
     72,673
     97,561
     27,440
     125,000
     (0)
     19.9%
     16.7%







        Fiscal and Interest Payments
     20
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     (0)
     0
     0
     0.0%
     16.7%







        Miscellaneous**
     5,528
     6,000
     0
     6,000
     0
     0
     0
     0
     6,000
     6,000
     0
     0.0%
     16.7%







        Legal Services and Settlements
     374,631
     376,000
     0
     376,000
     0
     0
     0
     0
     376,000
     376,000
     (0)
     0.0%
     16.7%







        Cost Allocations**
     538,368
     540,000
     0
     540,000
     0
     0
     0
     0
     540,000
     540,000
     (0)
     0.0%
     15.4%







        Charges From DIT
     290,306
     290,000
     0
     290,000
     0
     0
     0
     0
     290,000
     290,000
     0
     0.0%
     15.4%








        Auditor Gen Charges
     14,985
     15,000
     0
     15,000
     0
     0
     0
     0
     15,000
     15,000
     0
     0.0%
     16.7%







        Client Services and BEP
     4,419,956
     4,421,000
     0
     4,421,000
     245,808
     337,705
     527,310
     865,015
     3,555,984
     4,421,000
     0
     7.6%
     15.4%







        Indirect Salaries
     20,317
     21,500
     0
     21,500
     0
     0
     0
     0
     21,500
     21,500
     (0)
     0.0%
     15.4%







        Internal Audit
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0
     0.0%
     15.4%





      .


      TOTAL Expenditures
     22,090,863
     23,545,739
     0
     23,545,739
     1,253,869
     2,050,426
     1,383,776
     3,434,202
     20,111,536
     23,545,738
     1
     8.7%








      Remaining Approp.

     3,735,761

     21,983






     21,983





      SUMMARY BY FUNDING SOURCE


      Balance
     Balance/Lapse

        FEDERAL - 0715

     20,685,200
     (2,689,017)
     17,996,183

     1,612,992
     1,166,187
     2,779,179
     15,195,020
     17,974,220
     21,983



        PRIVATE - 0905
     Donations
     114,100
     (108,100)
     6,000
      0
     0
     0
     6,000
     6,000
     0


        RESTRICTED - 1195
      565,100
     (299,100)
     266,000
      27,031
     1,250
     28,281
     237,719
     266,000
     0


        LOCAL - 1337
      539,900
     (474,900)
     65,000
      0
     0
     0
     65,000
     65,000
     0


        GF/GP - 7001
      5,377,200
     (142,661)
     5,234,539
      410,403
     216,339
     626,742
     4,607,797
     5,234,539
     0


      TOTAL

     27,281,500
     (3,713,778)
     23,567,722
     0
     2,050,426
     1,383,776
     3,434,202
     20,111,536
     23,545,759
     21,983









      MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND



      FY 2010-2011




      INTERNAL OPERATING BUDGET




      THROUGH MARCH 31, 2011









      COSTS BY CATEGORY
     BUDGETED
     SPENT
     % SPENT






      SALARIES AND WAGES
     $6,253,882
     $2,809,891
     45%

      LONGEVITY AND INS
     $1,263,248
     $659,753
     52%

      RETIREMENT AND FICA
     $2,200,000
     $1,003,405
     46%

      EARLY RETIREMENT PAYOUT
     $80,000
     $9,859


      CSS&M
     $851,000
     $915,114
     108%

      STAFF ADA ACCOMODATIONS
     $293,000
     $285,940
     98%

      TRAVEL
     $332,000
     $91,196
     27%

      VENDING & CAFETERIA OPERATIONS
     $1,700,000
     $436,572
     26%

      VENDING STAND RETIREMENT
     $740,000
     $278,314
     38%

      VENDING STAND TRAINING
     $33,000
     $26,144
     79%

      OPERATOR ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY
     $20,000
     $590
     3%

      ELECTED OPERATOR COMMITTEE
     $11,000
     $4,864
     44%

      NETWORK
     $748,001
     $505,967
     68%

      MCBTC STUDENT TRAINING IT PURCHASES
     $60,000
     $0
     0%

      MINI ADJUSTMENT PROGRAM
     $100,000
     $26,019
     26%

      CASE SERVICES
     $5,693,800
     $1,624,344
     29%

      SUPPORTED EMPLOYMENT
     $95,911
     $240
     0%

      STATE IL COUNCIL
     $100,996
     $100,996
     100%

      COST ALLOCATIONS
     $369,000
     $0
     0%

      BEP OCCUPANCY
     $885,176
     $454,586
     51%

      MCB RENT AND OCCUPANCY
     $430,000
     $185,123
     43%

      BUILDING MAINTENANCE/RENOVATIONS
     $40,000
     $11,108
     28%

      BUILDING OPERATIONS
     $800,000
     $313,732
     39%

      CAPITAL OUTLAY
     $3,764,370
     $2,113,848
     56%

      COMMISSION COSTS
     $26,000
     $17,004
     65%

      GIFTS & STANLEY HERMAN TRUST
     $0
     $0
     0%

      STRATEGIC PLANNING
     $3,000
     $294
     10%

      STAFF TRAINING
     $25,000
     $15,074
     60%

      ARRA - TITLE I
     $2,250,761
     $64,514
     3%

      ARRA - OLDER BLIND
     $1,006,621
     $122,752
     12%

      ARRA - PART B
     $135,384
     $20,313
     15%

      STATE AID TO SUBREGIONAL LIBRARIES
     $451,800
     $451,800
     100%

         TOTAL EXPENDITURES
     $30,762,950
     $12,549,356
     41%


     $23,605,814
     $10,227,930
     43%

      MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND



      FY 2010-2011




      INTERNAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR ADMINISTRATION



      THROUGH MARCH 31, 2011




      SALARIES AND WAGES
     $610,000
     $276,658
     45%

      LONGEVITY AND INS
     $108,248
     $54,684
     51%

      RETIREMENT AND FICA
     $185,000
     $86,672
     47%

      EARLY RETIREMENT PAYOUT
     $80,000
     $9,859
     12%

      CSS&M
     $60,000
     $57,281
     95%

      STAFF ADA ACCOMODATIONS
     $5,000
     $0
     0%

      TRAVEL
     $15,000
     $2,556
     17%

      COMMISSION COSTS
     $26,000
     $17,004
     65%

      GIFTS & STANLEY HERMAN TRUST
     $0
     $0
     0%

      STRATEGIC PLANNING
     $3,000
     $294
     10%

      TRAINING
     $21,000
     $13,994
     67%

      STATE IL COUNCIL
     $100,996
     $100,996
     100%

         TOTAL EXPENDITURES
     $1,214,244
     $619,999
     51%






      MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND



      FY 2010-2011




      INTERNAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR PASSTHROUGHS



      THROUGH MARCH 31, 2011




      COST ALLOCATIONS
     $360,000
     $0
     0%

      BEP OCCUPANCY
     $885,176
     $454,586
     51%

      MCB RENT AND OCCUPANCY
     $430,000
     $185,123
     43%

         TOTAL EXPENDITURES
     $1,675,176
     $639,709
     38%






      MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND



      FY 2010-2011




      INTERNAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR REHABILITATION



      THROUGH MARCH 31, 2011




      SALARIES AND WAGES
     $2,200,000
     $1,027,186
     47%

      LONGEVITY AND INS
     $450,000
     $243,578
     54%

      RETIREMENT AND FICA
     $805,000
     $371,663
     46%

      CSS&M
     $505,000
     $605,806
     120%

      STAFF ADA ACCOMODATIONS
     $180,000
     $190,440
     106%

      NETWORK
     $650,000
     $505,967
     78%

      TRAVEL
     $172,000
     $49,125
     29%

      CASE SERVICES
     $4,812,000
     $1,152,824
     24%

      SUPPORTED EMPLOYMENT
     $95,911
     $240
     0%

      ARRA - TITLE I
     $1,978,761
     $0
     0%

         TOTAL EXPENDITURES
     $11,848,672
     $4,146,829
     35%






      MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND



      FY 2010-2011




      INTERNAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE MCB TRAINING CENTER


      THROUGH MARCH 31, 2011




      SALARIES AND WAGES
     $1,800,000
     $822,625
     46%

      LONGEVITY AND INS
     $380,000
     $199,670
     53%

      RETIREMENT AND FICA
     $650,000
     $297,062
     46%

      CSS&M
     $130,000
     $65,238
     50%

      MCBTC STAFF TRAINING
     $10,000
     $3,865
     39%

      TRAINING
     $4,000
     $1,080
     27%

      MINI ADJUSTMENT PROGRAM
     $100,000
     $26,019
     26%

      TRAVEL
     $50,000
     $17,812
     36%

      CASE SERVICES
     $60,000
     $27,907
     47%

      STUDENT IT TRAINING COSTS
     $60,000
     $0
     0%

      BUILDING MAINTENANCE/RENOVATIONS*
     $40,000
     $11,108
     28%

      BUILDING OPERATIONS
     $800,000
     $313,732
     39%

      CAPITAL OUTLAY
     $3,764,370
     $2,113,848
     56%

      ARRA IL Part B (Construction)
     $15,650
     $15,650
     100%

      ARRA Older Blind (Construction)
     $118,710
     $122,680
     103%

      ARRA Title I (Construction)
     $272,000
     $64,514
     24%

      ARRA IL Older Blind Technology
     $229,270
     $0
     0%

         TOTAL EXPENDITURES
     $7,848,370
     $3,899,966
     50%






      MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND



      FY 2010-2011




      INTERNAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE BUSINESS ENTERPRISE PROGRAM


      THROUGH MARCH 31, 2011




      SALARIES AND WAGES
     $463,882
     $198,260
     43%

      LONGEVITY AND INS
     $90,000
     $43,144
     48%

      RETIREMENT AND FICA
     $145,000
     $58,734
     41%

      CSS&M
     $100,000
     $133,656
     134%

      STAFF ADA ACCOMODATIONS
     $60,000
     $53,800
     90%

      TRAVEL
     $55,000
     $13,833
     25%

      OPERATOR ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY
     $20,000
     $590
     3%

      VENDING STAND AND CAFETERIA OPERATIONS
     $1,700,000
     $436,572
     26%

      VENDING STAND RETIREMENT
     $740,000
     $278,314
     38%

      VENDING STAND TRAINING
     $33,000
     $26,144
     79%

      ELECTED OPERATOR COMMITTEE
     $11,000
     $4,864
     44%

         TOTAL EXPENDITURES
     $3,417,882
     $1,247,911
     37%






      MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND



      FY 2010-2011




      STATUS OF THE BUDGET FOR INDEPENDENT LIVING



      THROUGH MARCH 31, 2011




      SALARIES AND WAGES
     $640,000
     $230,560
     36%

      LONGEVITY AND INS
     $120,000
     $57,313
     48%

      RETIREMENT AND FICA
     $230,000
     $97,369
     42%

      CSS&M
     $20,000
     $16,324
     82%

      STAFF ADA ACCOMODATIONS
     $35,000
     $41,700
     119%

      TRAVEL
     $25,000
     $7,527
     30%

      CASE SERVICES
     $580,000
     $357,479
     62%

      ARRA - OLDER BLIND
     $1,006,621
     $72.12
     0%

      ARRA - PART B
     $135,384
     $4,663.17
     0%

      COST ALLOCATIONS
     $9,000
     $0
     0%

         TOTAL EXPENDITURES
     $2,792,005
     $813,008
     29%






      MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND



      FY 2010-2011




      STATUS OF SERVICES FOR BRAILLE TALKING BOOKS AND LIBRARY


      THROUGH MARCH 31, 2011




      SALARIES AND WAGES
     $540,000
     $254,603
     47%

      LONGEVITY AND INS
     $115,000
     $61,364
     53%

      RETIREMENT AND FICA
     $185,000
     $91,905
     50%

      CSS&M
     $36,000
     $36,809
     102%

      STAFF ADA ACCOMODATIONS
     $3,000
     $0
     0%

      TRAVEL
     $15,000
     $342
     2%

      NETWORK
     $98,000
     $0
     0%

      STATE AID TO SUBREGIONAL LIBRARIES
     $451,800
     $451,800
     100%

         TOTAL EXPENDITURES
     $1,443,800
     $896,822
     62%

      ** SBPH RENT INCLUDED IN MCB RENT ($241,096)








      MICHIGAN COMMISSION FOR THE BLIND



      FY 2010-2011




      STATUS OF THE BUDGET FOR YOUTH LOW VISION



      THROUGH MARCH 31, 2011









      CASE SERVICES
     $241,800
     $86,134
     36%

         TOTAL EXPENDITURES
     $241,800
     $86,134
     36%






Carla Miller Haynes

DLARA Michigan Commission for the Blind

201 N. Washington Sq., 2nd Floor

P.O. Box 30652

Lansing, MI  48909

Phone:  517/373-2063

FAX: 517/335-5140



www.michigan.gov/mcb





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