[nfbmi-talk] why wasn't automark used here?

Wed Nov 21 11:46:53 UTC 2012

Hi Jim,

I'm unclear which hotline you called, but my knee jerk reaction is the 
advise was dead on wrong for these issues cannot be cleared up until 
identified. Moreover, each county clerk had a hotline which the manufacturer 
over such issues and they do have trouble shooters in the field.

Personally, I think this might be like Flint which is run by lazy personnell 
who have scoffed at the laws for years and that is documented by a DOJ 
Settlement.

Regardless I would urge you and all to at least lodge a narrative of your 
experiences both with NFB, your county clerk, Michigan Protection and 
advocacy Services and even in detail upon this list.

By the way sometimes things are very simple ...

During the primary here in my precinct the clerk didn't actually turn the 
device on which takes a key. That was remedied in five minutes.

It should have been done prior of course. As he was embarrassed by his lapse 
though and educted by me this did not happen in November.

Just some thoughts.

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim in Detroit" <james.prather at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] why wasn't automark used here?

The fellow on the hotline, sorry don't remember his name, said to let an
official assist me with the ballot, since I was already there.

-----Original Message----- 
From: joe harcz Comcast
Sent: November 20, 2012 06:35
To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] why wasn't automark used here?

Oh my missed this message. This is precisely what I thought happened in the
aarticle. What did the hotline say?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim in Detroit" <james.prather at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] why wasn't automark used here?

Elizabeth, this is what happened tome when I went to vote; the Automark
wasn't not working when I went to vote.  I called our hotline about this
and, since there was no backup machine, I was told to have an official help
me with this.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke
Sent: November 19, 2012 18:33
To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] why wasn't automark used here?

I think this would be a good idea. Also, it is possible the Automark  was
not working properly when the voter went to vote. I know this could be
possible because it happened to me. However, I have good reason to believe
that my ballot was marked how I wanted it to be marked. I just felt bad
taking so much time with the poll workers reading the ballot to a sleep
deprived college student even though I know this is part of there job. I
actually think the punch cards were more accessible in terms of having to
have someone read you the ballot. I felt as though I had more control over
who I was voting for when using the punch card system as I could physically
punch in my selections after they were read to me.

Just my thoughts on the subject for what they are worth.

Elizabeth

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From: "Jason Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:09 PM
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] why wasn't automark used here?

> Not all people are comfortable with using the technology, even if it is 
> available. Some would just prefer the help. We can certainly work to 
> educate more people on the benefits of using the machines, etc.
> It may be something to think about for 2014, having the NFB of MI hosting 
> some demonstrations in key locations. Would also be good PR for us.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:28 AM
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] why wasn't automark used here?
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> Why wasn’t the Automark used?
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> Joe Harcz
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> Pontiac precinct accused of changing blind voter's ballot
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> Published: Tuesday, November 06, 2012
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> By MEGAN SEMERAZ
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> A Lansing organization called Protecting Michigan Taxpayers, which 
> strongly opposes Proposal 2, has accused Pontiac Precinct 13 of breaking 
> election law
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> after they say a blind voter’s ballot was changed.
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> Nick DeLeeuw, spokesman for the organization, said the blind voter 
> requested a “no” vote on Michigan ballot proposals, and instead recorded a 
> “yes” vote.
>
> A poll watcher saw the incident, and wanted to challenge it.
>
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> When the vote was challenged, DeLeeuw said the Precinct Captain Carla 
> Williams refused to accept the challenge on the ballot.
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> Pontiac City Clerk Sherikia Hawkins said she had heard about the incident, 
> but that is not what happened. She said the legally blind voter was being 
> assisted
>
> and wanted the help.
>
>
>
> Hawkins said that the group is misinforming people, and the vote was not 
> changed.
>
>
>
> Jared Rodriguez, a spokesperson for Protecting Michigan Taxpayer said: 
> “The precinct captain’s refusal to accept a legally required ‘challenge’ 
> on the ballot
>
> cast by a voter whose vote was shamelessly changed against his will is 
> reprehensible.”
>
>
>
> Contact Megan Semeraz at 248-745-4628 or email
>
> Megan.Semeraz at oakpress.com
>
> or follow her on Twitter @MeganSemeraz
>
>
>
> Pontiac precinct accused of changing blind voter's ballot
>
>
>
> Published: Tuesday, November 06, 2012
>
> Get RSS Feed
>
> Print This
>
> Email This
>
> Share on Stumble Upon
>
> share/share_comment
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> 8
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>
>
> By MEGAN SEMERAZ
>
> Megan.Semeraz at oakpress.com
>
> ; Twitter:
>
> @MeganSemeraz
>
>
>
> A Lansing organization called Protecting Michigan Taxpayers, which 
> strongly opposes Proposal 2, has accused Pontiac Precinct 13 of breaking 
> election law
>
> after they say a blind voter’s ballot was changed.
>
>
>
> Nick DeLeeuw, spokesman for the organization, said the blind voter 
> requested a “no” vote on Michigan ballot proposals, and instead recorded a 
> “yes” vote.
>
> A poll watcher saw the incident, and wanted to challenge it.
>
>
>
> When the vote was challenged, DeLeeuw said the Precinct Captain Carla 
> Williams refused to accept the challenge on the ballot.
>
>
>
> Pontiac City Clerk Sherikia Hawkins said she had heard about the incident, 
> but that is not what happened. She said the legally blind voter was being 
> assisted
>
> and wanted the help.
>
>
>
> Hawkins said that the group is misinforming people, and the vote was not 
> changed.
>
>
>
> Jared Rodriguez, a spokesperson for Protecting Michigan Taxpayer said: 
> “The precinct captain’s refusal to accept a legally required ‘challenge’ 
> on the ballot
>
> cast by a voter whose vote was shamelessly changed against his will is 
> reprehensible.”
>
>
>
> Contact Megan Semeraz at 248-745-4628 or email
>
> Megan.Semeraz at oakpress.com
>
> or follow her on Twitter @MeganSemeraz
>
>
>
>
>
> Source:
>
>
>
> http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2012/11/06/news/local_news/doc5099907e6d7e2663725273.txt
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