[nfbmi-talk] FW: [iPhone-Discussions] Fwd: a warning to voice over users concerning IOS 6

Tue Sep 18 03:07:41 UTC 2012

Hello,

The following is a little long but if you have an iPhone or iPod, I suggest
you read this before upgrading your software.

Warmest Regards,

Fred

From: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Damashe Thomas
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:51 PM
To: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iPhone-Discussions] Fwd: a warning to voice over users
concerning IOS 6

Scott, thanks for posting this, I was about to send it in myself. 

Percy, Until the issue is fiexed, I would think that it would also affect
the iPhone 5 as well. I don't know that for sure of course, but my reasoning
is that it is a voice over issue and not in anyway hardware related. It
isn't clear whether this will also affect the iPads as well, but I agree
with Scott that it could be worth waiting until the issue has been resolved.
Some good news is that it wouldn't take a full update to iOS6 to fix this,
apparently apple could and is hopefully working to solve this problem now.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Percy Garrett <mailto:percygarrett at sw.rr.com>  

To: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com 

Cc: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:33 PM

Subject: RE: [iPhone-Discussions] Fwd: a warning to voice over users
concerning IOS 6

Scott, does this also mean that the Iphone 5s will not have an accessible
app store? Thanks for the post.

Percy

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[mailto:iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:31 AM
To: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [iPhone-Discussions] Fwd: a warning to voice over users concerning
IOS 6

I am posting this to the list so that those of you on the list who do not
yet know, according to the Apple Vis editorial team the App Store in iOS 6
is currently not accessible with Voice Over.  I cannot confirm this as I do
not yet have iOS 6, but if it is true then I am sure that Apple will be
hearing from the blind community.  Hopefully, they will fix this problem
very quickly.  It is my advice that you should wait until we know that the
accessibility of the App Store has been fixed before upgrading to the newest
version.  

Let me be clear.  iOS 6 which is scheduled to be released this Wednesday
September 19 is rumored to have an inaccessible App Store for those of us
that use Voice Over.  I will be on this weeks conference call on Wednesday
and I will hopefully have more information on this problem at that time.

Scott Rumery

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From: "Andrew Head" <coldeskimo11 at gmail.com>

Subject: a warning to voice over users concerning IOS 6

Date: September 16, 2012 10:15:30 PM EDT

To: <viphone at googlegroups.com>

Reply-To: viphone at googlegroups.com

Hi all, Not sure if anyone else put this up but I saw someone put it up on
twitter. Originally found on the applevis website, it's an article
explaining that a few days before ios 6 is released, the app store is
inaccessible in most areas.
Article below:

A Warning to VoiceOver Users Ahead of the Release of iOS 6
article region start
Submitted by David on 16 September 2012
Member of the AppleVis Editorial Team

As you should be aware, our stated policy is to allow no postings on this
site which would be a breach of Apple's Non Disclosure Agreement.
Essentially,
this Agreement places legal restrictions on what can be publicly revealed
about beta versions of Apple software.

Posting specific and detailed information about iOS 6 before it is released
to the public on 19 September would in most cases be a breach of this
Agreement,
and could place you at risk of legal action by Apple. However, we have been
alerted to a significant accessibility issue that is likely to be present in
iOS 6, and we believe that with the public release just a few days away, we
would be failing the community if we did not issue a warning.

There are likely to be some who will condemn our decision. All that we can
say is that it is not something we have done lightly and without much
discussion.

Here is the problem as we understand it:

At the time of writing, the App Store app is virtually unusable with
VoiceOver on the version of iOS 6 that was released to developers last week.
This release
is commonly referred to as the Gold Master, and is effectively the final
version.

This problem has been reported and replicated by several iPhone users. We
are unable to confirm whether the same problem exists on the iPad.

The App Store app has been significantly rewritten for iOS 6, with changes
made to the way that content is displayed and navigated.

There are 5 tabs in the app:

    Featured
    Top Charts
    Genius
    Search
    Updates

Of these, only the Updates tab appears to be fully accessible with
VoiceOver.

Results on the Search tab are no longer displayed as a vertical list.
Instead, each app is displayed on its own page. When not using VoiceOver,
you flick
to the left or right to navigate through the search results. This allows for
more information about each app to be shown. We assume that it is also
considered
to be more visually appealing and engaging.

When using VoiceOver, only the first search result is easily accessible. If
you swipe right through the first search result, VoiceOver will read
subsequent
results in much the same way that it always has. However, visually, the
screen is still displaying the first result, and double-tapping on the name
of
subsequent apps will achieve nothing.

Each page in the search results indicates what page it is - 1 of 250 for
example. However, this is only recognized by VoiceOver on the first page if
you
tap directly on it or swipe left from the bottom bar of tab buttons.
Although this element might seem similar to the one present on your
iDevice's home
screen, it cannot be used with VoiceOver to move between pages.

To date, the only gesture that appears to work to move between pages is the
following - double-tap and hold with one finger. Whilst keeping that finger
pressed to the screen, use a second finger to flick left or right across the
screen. This is not a gesture that is likely to be intuitive to many
VoiceOver
users, and reports say that it can be difficult to action consistently.

The Genius tab exhibits the same problem. Again, suggested apps are
displayed one per page, and you cannot easily navigate to other pages with
VoiceOver.

A further issue in this section is the page element used to indicate that
you are not interested in a suggestion. Apart from not being reported by
VoiceOver
as an active page element, it gives no feedback on its selection status.

In the Top Charts tab, apps are listed in the more traditional vertical list
format. However, this does not automatically scroll as you swipe through the
list, meaning that only the first 4 apps are ever visually displayed on
screen and accessible with VoiceOver. This makes it impossible to browse
charts
or app categories. We are unaware of any gesture that will work to gain
access to apps below the first 4 in the list.

On the Featured tab are three rows of apps. Each has a small thumbnail icon,
along with its name, category and price. When not using VoiceOver, you use
you finger to slide this row of icons across the screen and reveal more
apps. This cannot be done with VoiceOver. Instead, when you swipe through
the row
of apps, VoiceOver will announce the four which are visually being shown on
screen, and the last right swipe will have focus jump back to the very first
app. Because of this, only by exploring the screen with your finger will you
learn that there are 2 further rows of apps and other items further down the
page..

It is not easy to explain in writing the nature and scope of these problems.
If they have not been fixed before the final version of iOS 6 is released,
we hope to have available a podcast demonstration.

The App Store app in iOS is different to most other native apps, in that it
is not hard-coded into iOS. The main content area of the app is delivered
dynamically
from Apple's servers, meaning that they can make changes at any time to how
this content is displayed and navigated. As a result, the accessibility
issues
described above could be fixed without the need for an update to iOS itself.

It is likely that Apple are working to do this right now, and it is possible
that it will be fixed by the time the public release of iOS 6 becomes
available.
If not, you should bear in mind before updating that you will no longer have
access to most features of the App Store directly from your iDevice. For
those
who only ever access the App Store this way, it means that in many instances
you will have to use iTunes on your Mac or PC.

Like everybody else, we hope that the problem can and will be fixed before
the public release of iOS 6. However, if that doesn't happen, we want people
to be able to make an informed decision about updating on Wednesday. Waiting
until Wednesday to post a warning would mean that many people would have
updated
before they knew of this potential problem.

We would also like to mention that people were already posting to our forum
about this problem, and we had been deleting these posts. This situation was
not tenable, as we simply couldn't remove those posts before some people had
read them. We either had to close the forum until Wednesday, allow those
posts
to remain, or take a position on this problem ourselves. The rest, as they
say, is history.

We will be sure to let you know as soon as this problem is fixed.

Remember, we do not know if it will be present on the iPad.

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Of jeffry miller
Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 11:44 AM
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Subject: Re: iHeart Radio:

yeah that is irritating

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