[nfbmi-talk] FW: [iPhone-Discussions] Fwd: a warning to voice overusers concerning IOS 6

Linda Bloodsaw lbloodsaw2018 at gmail.com
Tue Sep 18 11:38:08 UTC 2012 

IOS 6 comes out tomorrow, September 19.  Free IOS upgrades will be available for the fourth generation iPod Touch, iPad 2 and newer, and iPhones 4S, 4 and 3GS.  I got this info from watching the video on Apple's website.  



On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:38 AM, "Jim in Detroit, MI" <james.prather at comcast.net> wrote:

> When is IOS 6 coming out?
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Fred Wurtzel
> Sent: September 17, 2012 23:07
> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] FW: [iPhone-Discussions] Fwd: a warning to voice overusers concerning IOS 6
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> The following is a little long but if you have an iPhone or iPod, I suggest
> you read this before upgrading your software.
> 
> 
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> 
> From: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Damashe Thomas
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:51 PM
> To: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [iPhone-Discussions] Fwd: a warning to voice over users
> concerning IOS 6
> 
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> 
> Scott, thanks for posting this, I was about to send it in myself.
> 
> Percy, Until the issue is fiexed, I would think that it would also affect
> the iPhone 5 as well. I don't know that for sure of course, but my reasoning
> is that it is a voice over issue and not in anyway hardware related. It
> isn't clear whether this will also affect the iPads as well, but I agree
> with Scott that it could be worth waiting until the issue has been resolved.
> Some good news is that it wouldn't take a full update to iOS6 to fix this,
> apparently apple could and is hopefully working to solve this problem now.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Percy Garrett <mailto:percygarrett at sw.rr.com>
> 
> To: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com
> 
> Cc: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com
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> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:33 PM
> 
> Subject: RE: [iPhone-Discussions] Fwd: a warning to voice over users
> concerning IOS 6
> 
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> 
> Scott, does this also mean that the Iphone 5s will not have an accessible
> app store? Thanks for the post.
> 
> Percy
> 
> From: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:31 AM
> To: iPhone-Discussions at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [iPhone-Discussions] Fwd: a warning to voice over users concerning
> IOS 6
> 
> 
> 
> I am posting this to the list so that those of you on the list who do not
> yet know, according to the Apple Vis editorial team the App Store in iOS 6
> is currently not accessible with Voice Over.  I cannot confirm this as I do
> not yet have iOS 6, but if it is true then I am sure that Apple will be
> hearing from the blind community.  Hopefully, they will fix this problem
> very quickly.  It is my advice that you should wait until we know that the
> accessibility of the App Store has been fixed before upgrading to the newest
> version.
> 
> Let me be clear.  iOS 6 which is scheduled to be released this Wednesday
> September 19 is rumored to have an inaccessible App Store for those of us
> that use Voice Over.  I will be on this weeks conference call on Wednesday
> and I will hopefully have more information on this problem at that time.
> 
> Scott Rumery
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
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> 
> From: "Andrew Head" <coldeskimo11 at gmail.com>
> 
> Subject: a warning to voice over users concerning IOS 6
> 
> Date: September 16, 2012 10:15:30 PM EDT
> 
> To: <viphone at googlegroups.com>
> 
> Reply-To: viphone at googlegroups.com
> 
> Hi all, Not sure if anyone else put this up but I saw someone put it up on
> twitter. Originally found on the applevis website, it's an article
> explaining that a few days before ios 6 is released, the app store is
> inaccessible in most areas.
> Article below:
> 
> A Warning to VoiceOver Users Ahead of the Release of iOS 6
> article region start
> Submitted by David on 16 September 2012
> Member of the AppleVis Editorial Team
> 
> As you should be aware, our stated policy is to allow no postings on this
> site which would be a breach of Apple's Non Disclosure Agreement.
> Essentially,
> this Agreement places legal restrictions on what can be publicly revealed
> about beta versions of Apple software.
> 
> Posting specific and detailed information about iOS 6 before it is released
> to the public on 19 September would in most cases be a breach of this
> Agreement,
> and could place you at risk of legal action by Apple. However, we have been
> alerted to a significant accessibility issue that is likely to be present in
> iOS 6, and we believe that with the public release just a few days away, we
> would be failing the community if we did not issue a warning.
> 
> There are likely to be some who will condemn our decision. All that we can
> say is that it is not something we have done lightly and without much
> discussion.
> 
> Here is the problem as we understand it:
> 
> At the time of writing, the App Store app is virtually unusable with
> VoiceOver on the version of iOS 6 that was released to developers last week.
> This release
> is commonly referred to as the Gold Master, and is effectively the final
> version.
> 
> This problem has been reported and replicated by several iPhone users. We
> are unable to confirm whether the same problem exists on the iPad.
> 
> The App Store app has been significantly rewritten for iOS 6, with changes
> made to the way that content is displayed and navigated.
> 
> There are 5 tabs in the app:
> 
>   Featured
>   Top Charts
>   Genius
>   Search
>   Updates
> 
> Of these, only the Updates tab appears to be fully accessible with
> VoiceOver.
> 
> Results on the Search tab are no longer displayed as a vertical list.
> Instead, each app is displayed on its own page. When not using VoiceOver,
> you flick
> to the left or right to navigate through the search results. This allows for
> more information about each app to be shown. We assume that it is also
> considered
> to be more visually appealing and engaging.
> 
> When using VoiceOver, only the first search result is easily accessible. If
> you swipe right through the first search result, VoiceOver will read
> subsequent
> results in much the same way that it always has. However, visually, the
> screen is still displaying the first result, and double-tapping on the name
> of
> subsequent apps will achieve nothing.
> 
> Each page in the search results indicates what page it is - 1 of 250 for
> example. However, this is only recognized by VoiceOver on the first page if
> you
> tap directly on it or swipe left from the bottom bar of tab buttons.
> Although this element might seem similar to the one present on your
> iDevice's home
> screen, it cannot be used with VoiceOver to move between pages.
> 
> To date, the only gesture that appears to work to move between pages is the
> following - double-tap and hold with one finger. Whilst keeping that finger
> pressed to the screen, use a second finger to flick left or right across the
> screen. This is not a gesture that is likely to be intuitive to many
> VoiceOver
> users, and reports say that it can be difficult to action consistently.
> 
> The Genius tab exhibits the same problem. Again, suggested apps are
> displayed one per page, and you cannot easily navigate to other pages with
> VoiceOver.
> 
> A further issue in this section is the page element used to indicate that
> you are not interested in a suggestion. Apart from not being reported by
> VoiceOver
> as an active page element, it gives no feedback on its selection status.
> 
> In the Top Charts tab, apps are listed in the more traditional vertical list
> format. However, this does not automatically scroll as you swipe through the
> list, meaning that only the first 4 apps are ever visually displayed on
> screen and accessible with VoiceOver. This makes it impossible to browse
> charts
> or app categories. We are unaware of any gesture that will work to gain
> access to apps below the first 4 in the list.
> 
> On the Featured tab are three rows of apps. Each has a small thumbnail icon,
> along with its name, category and price. When not using VoiceOver, you use
> you finger to slide this row of icons across the screen and reveal more
> apps. This cannot be done with VoiceOver. Instead, when you swipe through
> the row
> of apps, VoiceOver will announce the four which are visually being shown on
> screen, and the last right swipe will have focus jump back to the very first
> app. Because of this, only by exploring the screen with your finger will you
> learn that there are 2 further rows of apps and other items further down the
> page..
> 
> It is not easy to explain in writing the nature and scope of these problems.
> If they have not been fixed before the final version of iOS 6 is released,
> we hope to have available a podcast demonstration.
> 
> The App Store app in iOS is different to most other native apps, in that it
> is not hard-coded into iOS. The main content area of the app is delivered
> dynamically
> from Apple's servers, meaning that they can make changes at any time to how
> this content is displayed and navigated. As a result, the accessibility
> issues
> described above could be fixed without the need for an update to iOS itself.
> 
> It is likely that Apple are working to do this right now, and it is possible
> that it will be fixed by the time the public release of iOS 6 becomes
> available.
> If not, you should bear in mind before updating that you will no longer have
> access to most features of the App Store directly from your iDevice. For
> those
> who only ever access the App Store this way, it means that in many instances
> you will have to use iTunes on your Mac or PC.
> 
> Like everybody else, we hope that the problem can and will be fixed before
> the public release of iOS 6. However, if that doesn't happen, we want people
> to be able to make an informed decision about updating on Wednesday. Waiting
> until Wednesday to post a warning would mean that many people would have
> updated
> before they knew of this potential problem.
> 
> We would also like to mention that people were already posting to our forum
> about this problem, and we had been deleting these posts. This situation was
> not tenable, as we simply couldn't remove those posts before some people had
> read them. We either had to close the forum until Wednesday, allow those
> posts
> to remain, or take a position on this problem ourselves. The rest, as they
> say, is history.
> 
> We will be sure to let you know as soon as this problem is fixed.
> 
> Remember, we do not know if it will be present on the iPad.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone at googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone at googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of jeffry miller
> Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 11:44 AM
> To: viphone at googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iHeart Radio:
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> yeah that is irritating
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