[nfbmi-talk] Sounds like the State of Michigan in every respect

Fri May 2 14:29:28 UTC 2014

I sent you a private email, I think you check your personal email. 

On May 1, 2014, at 6:32 PM, "Terry D. Eagle" <terrydeagle at yahoo.com> wrote:

Since you have no difficulity understanding, then will you please explain
that which you read and understood?

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William
Vandervest
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 12:36 PM
To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Sounds like the State of Michigan in every respect

interesting, i have no trouble understanding her :-)

There are none so blind as those who will not see

William and LD Lynard
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Sounds like the State of Michigan in every respect

> Did you actually read this news story or the suit which was past to this 
> list for informational purposes? Did you happen to notice that it involved

> not the state web sites, but rather the federal General Services 
> Administration web sites for contractors? Have you examined the suit?
> 
> I cannot address your other questions, innuendos, etc. for I simply cannot

> understand them, their relevancy, or anything else as I cannot figure out 
> what you are saying in most of your indiscernible posts.
> 
> 
> Except that whenever Terry or I post anything you seem to jump on us with 
> all these irrelevant and indiscernible comments.
> 
> That is hardly helpful.
> 
> Kindly as I Can be,
> 
> Joe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nadia Cioffi" <nadiaacioffi at gmail.com>
> To: <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>; "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" 
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Sounds like the State of Michigan in every 
> respect
> 
> 
>> Did we brush up screener commends, many blind people use the up and down 
>> arrow keys with JAWS I highly recommend going to the website and 
>> downloading the JAWS. Manual, If this an issue it's not compliance, but 
>> needing to learn the tools. I'd consider people's technical ability 
>> before compliance. Odds are less sections are likry be this way, but I'd 
>> like headings with links on the state website and I've not run into 
>> issues. I think using the GUI list could save some time and maybe find 
>> issues, There could indeed be issues, but logically it be should be shown

>> by more one person/professes. Much like Michigan website, I this clim is 
>> veg. What dominion, what page, what cannot be accessed, what screw reader

>> and has more then person tried? As far I know clim with no grounding, 
>> support or proof and turns it statement based on what, your experience. 
>> You I think should back much, unless this has nothing to stand on. Should

>> is my thought it helps credibility and support the reader by shoring them

>> your proof and gives the reader a chance to look what saying, do 
>> independent research and agree or disagree. Unless the point is to 
>> convince the reader your correct, either way the reason I see for writing

>> this make. A clim, I'm I right or what is it? Please show it reader so 
>> they Heve less questions, unless you want your readers to assume? Please 
>> consider this when writing, I will not ask these questions you should as 
>> writer address them for me.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Nadia
>> 
>> On Apr 30,rhe 2014at 8:14 PM, "Terry D. Eagle" <terrydeagle at yahoo.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lawsuit Says GSA Discriminates Against Blind Contractors By Joseph Marks
>> April 24, 2014 NEXTGOV
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A group of blind federal contractors filed a lawsuit against the General
>> Services Administration this week over a contractor website they say 
>> shuts
>> out the visually impaired.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The System for Award Management website, SAM.gov, contains numerous 
>> buttons,
>> checkboxes, drop-down menus and "mouseovers" that federal contractors 
>> must
>> navigate each year in order to keep their contractor status current. 
>> Those
>> bells and whistles make it difficult or impossible for screen reading
>> software that blind people use to navigate the Internet to decode the 
>> site,
>> the suit claims.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> GSA phone-in help desk employees are also not sufficiently trained in
>> disability issues, the suit claims, making it even more difficult for 
>> blind
>> contractors to complete their registrations.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The suit was filed as a class action by the American Council for the 
>> Blind
>> and the Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs 
>> in
>> the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. The groups claim 
>> GSA
>> violated Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act, which, among other 
>> things,
>> bars discrimination against federal contractors and grantees based solely

>> on
>> a disability.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There are three named plaintiffs who are helping to pursue the lawsuit.
>> They're all contractors who had difficulty registering or re-registering 
>> on
>> SAM.gov. Eventually two of the three had to reveal personal information,
>> such as usernames and Social Security numbers, to either friends or GSA 
>> help
>> desk employees in order to complete their registrations.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "It would be one thing if [the Environmental Protection Agency's] website
>> wasn't compliant with screen reader software," Matthew Handley, an 
>> attorney
>> for the plaintiffs, told Nextgov. "But this is all the more troubling
>> because this is the agency that's supposed to be policing all the other
>> agency websites and it doesn't appear to be policing its own websites."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> GSA had not responded by 5 p.m. Thursday to Nextgov emails and phone 
>> calls
>> seeking comment.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> GSA manages a large portion of civilian federal contracting for other
>> government agencies and publishes best practices guides for federal 
>> digital
>> technology. The American Council for the Blind spent about a year urging 
>> GSA
>> to make SAM.gov accessible, Handley said. When those changes weren't
>> sufficient, he said, they filed suit.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "We'd just sort of reached a dead end with them and decided we didn't 
>> have
>> any way to push this along without resorting to the court system," he 
>> said.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The council hasn't done a full investigation but suspects there may be
>> accessibility issues with other federal contracting websites such as the
>> Federal Business Opportunities site, FBO.gov, Handley said. The
>> organizations hope that drawing attention to SAM.gov's accessibility 
>> issues
>> will press GSA and other agencies to fix other websites, he said.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The groups are asking a federal judge to order GSA to make SAM.gov
>> accessible and to reimburse their attorneys' fees. The plaintiffs cannot
>> seek damages under the statute.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Source:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://cdn.nextgov.com/nextgov/interstitial.html?v=2.1.1
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>> _nl
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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