[nfbmi-talk] Followup on Michigan Flyer and Metro AirportFW:7New, Eco-Friendly Buses Give You an Even Sweeter Ride
joe harcz Comcast
joeharcz at comcast.net
Wed Nov 26 20:56:03 UTC 2014
I think it would be useful to actually get an accessible copy of the
settlement.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Robinson via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>; "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing
List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Followup on Michigan Flyer and Metro
AirportFW:7New, Eco-Friendly Buses Give You an Even Sweeter Ride
> Dear J.J.,
>
> I believe that revisiting the position that we have taken is important
> in light of the settlement. My point to Fred was that the settlement does
> not directly resolve the problem in a manner that was outlined in the
> resolution. I have requested from Larry a revisit of this topic at our
> next board meeting.
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J.J. Meddaugh via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>; "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing
> List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Followup on Michigan Flyer and Metro AirportFW:
> 7New, Eco-Friendly Buses Give You an Even Sweeter Ride
>
>
>> Hello. I'm also greatful for the settlement which was agreed upon.
>> Ultimately, it would be up to our board to decide if the settlement goes
>> far enough to solve the underlying issue or if further steps need to be
>> taken.
>> Persoanlly, I feel there has been substantial thought put into the
>> current settlement and while not perfect, I am willing to deal with it,
>> given the path of travel is accessible and the waiting area is usable by
>> all. I would agree that if there is an arrival/departure board, this
>> board should be able to be made accessible. This is not a cheap
>> proposition however and perhaps we can work with MI Flyer and others to
>> find a source for funding such an accessible kiosk. One of the big
>> roadblocks with kiosks currently is that talking features are not
>> standardized so they end up being way more expensive than they should be.
>>
>> Now if, in a few months, things are still status quo, then we should
>> revisit the issue.
>>
>> It is ultimately the board's disgression to decide the exact
>> implementation for any resolution that is passed. Given circumstances
>> have changed since the resolution passed at state convention, I feel it
>> appropriate to reexamine our position for what is in the best interest of
>> the afiliate.
>> I know a few of you may disagree with this, and that's fine. This is why
>> we have forums such as this list for civil discussion of our resolutions.
>> I am also just one board member and one vote, and do not speak for the
>> entire board.
>>
>> If anyone is traveling through Detroit and using the Flyer, please post
>> on your experiences so we can stay current on the issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> J.J.
>>
>> On 11/20/2014 9:14 AM, Fred Wurtzel via nfbmi-talk wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Well, I think that incrementalism is a valid point of view. Having a
>>> settlement which is better , but less than perfect presumably leaves us
>>> better off. Certainly, Karla took action and things are better than
>>> they
>>> would have been, otherwise. This seems like a case of perfection
>>> blocking
>>> progress. Of course, I, along with most everyone else on this side of
>>> the
>>> issue would have preferred a return to the status quo. Unless, the NFB
>>> of
>>> Michigan is willing to go back to court it is highly unlikely that such
>>> a
>>> return will happen. Wishing for another outcome will not accomplish
>>> anything. For my part, I am happy that there is a warm place to wait, a
>>> way
>>> to contact Prospect and a plan to make the process work reasonably well.
>>> I
>>> do not think this is a perfect solution, but I am happy that someone was
>>> willing to take action, instead of simply complaining, and that the
>>> situation is better than it would have been.
>>>
>>> So, what do you think we need to do to work to make the bus stop
>>> better?
>>> How much are we willing to spend from our treasury to fight this? For
>>> my
>>> part, if we decide to fight more, I will support the effort, but I am
>>> unwilling to criticize Karla for her good work and willingness to do
>>> something when none of us did a thing except vote on a resolution. We
>>> need
>>> to stop talking about problems and do something. Otherwise, we should
>>> be
>>> grateful to those who are willing to take action which is in our
>>> interest.
>>>
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of joe
>>> harcz Comcast via nfbmi-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:41 AM
>>> To: David Robinson; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Followup on Michigan Flyer and Metro
>>> AirportFW:
>>> 7New, Eco-Friendly Buses Give You an Even Sweeter Ride
>>>
>>> Agreed. And for those who have not read the resolution here it is:
>>> RESOLUTION 2014-02 Michigan Flyer and SMART Bus Access to Airport
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Michigan Flyer, Air Ride and Smart bus services offer a
>>> convenient and affordable means of traveling to the Detroit Metropolitan
>>> Airport (DTW); and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, many blind people use public transportation including the
>>> Michigan
>>> Flyer, Air Ride and SMART to travel to and from the McNamara Terminal of
>>> Detroit Metropolitan Airport; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, there is a 70% unemployment rate among blind people who wish to
>>> work, making affordable transportation an extremely important part of
>>> life
>>> activities; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Airport Board has decided to move the Bus Stop for these
>>> services to another location , called the Ground Transportation
>>> Center,which
>>> is inadequate, dangerous and inconvenient to persons using public
>>> transportation to travel to the McNamara Terminal; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, until recently, the busses have dropped passengers at an
>>> accessible
>>> stop within 50 feet of the entrance to the terminal with no safety or
>>> other
>>> negative consequences for over 2 years; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Ground Transportation Center (GTC) severely limits a
>>> disabled
>>> person's access to and communication with Prospect Airport Services,
>>> since
>>> Prospect is located inside the McNamara Terminal near the former bus
>>> stop,,
>>> a service used by disabled persons to assist them in getting around at
>>> the
>>> Airport, thus leaving persons needing this assistance without access
>>>
>>> to reasonable accommodations when getting off the bus; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the new location at the GTC is approximately 200 yards from the
>>> nearest
>>>
>>> indoor area of the airport, as opposed to 50 feet in the McNamara
>>> Terminal
>>> at
>>>
>>> the former location, thus forcing people to either wait outside for
>>> their
>>> bus or
>>>
>>> run quickly once it arrives. Disabled persons, especially those with
>>> mobility
>>>
>>> limitations, who cannot "run" quickly enough are thus forced to wait
>>> outside,
>>>
>>> even in harsh weather conditions; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, when all three unloading spots at the new stop are occupied,
>>> passengers loading and unloading from a bus in the middle lane are
>>> forced to
>>> exit between vehicles and cross over
>>>
>>> a lane of traffic, an action which could result in severe bodily harm
>>> and/or
>>>
>>> death; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the change in bus stops conflicts with the Americans With
>>> Disabilities law by limiting access to the terminal by persons with
>>> disabilities; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Ground Transportation Center does not have a service dog
>>> relief
>>> area unlike the former stop which has dog relief facilities; and,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, passengers traveling from the McNamara Terminal to the new
>>> transit
>>> pickup
>>>
>>> location outside of the GTC must either choose to travel directly out
>>> "side
>>>
>>> doors" that exit to active lanes of traffic, or go through a revolving
>>> door,
>>>
>>> which
>>>
>>> when often broken is inaccessible to those with mobility impairments. To
>>> wit,
>>>
>>> the Detroit Free Press in 2009 reported that the door had broken 33
>>> times
>>> from
>>>
>>> April 1, 2008 to March 22, 2009; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, Michigan Governor Rick Snyder communicated his support in
>>> "maintaining the
>>>
>>> integrity of the previous stop locations" in a letter to Mr. Tom
>>> Naughton,
>>> CEO of the
>>>
>>> Wayne County Airport Authority and to Mr. Michael Ford, CEO of the Ann
>>> Arbor
>>>
>>> Area Transportation Authority dated June 11, 2014; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the change of bus stop only effects those using public
>>> transportation and drastically reduces the convenience and accessibility
>>> for
>>>
>>> these passengers, this change unreasonably and discriminatorily targets
>>> persons who use public transportation to travel to and from the airport
>>> by
>>> making the environment hostile and unwelcoming to visitors to our state
>>> who
>>> use these services to reach the many attractions and services including
>>> colleges, industries, residences, tourist attractions and the vast
>>> natural
>>> and commercial resources of the state of Michigan: Now, therefore,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BE IT RESOLVED in convention assembled this 12th day of October, 2014,
>>> in
>>> the city of Flint, Michigan that this organization condemns and deplores
>>> the
>>>
>>> action of the Wayne county Airport Authority in discriminating against
>>> users
>>>
>>> of public transportation, especially those with disabilities by
>>> relocating
>>> bus drop off points used by the Michigan Flyer, Air Ride and SMART; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED; that this organization call upon the Airport
>>> Authority to immediately and permanently reverse its decision to move
>>> the
>>> Bus Stop for the Michigan Flyer, Air Ride and Smart busses to the Ground
>>> Transportation Center and return it to its former location at the
>>> entrance
>>> to the McNamara Terminal; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED: that this organization empower our president and
>>> board to join in any legal actions to remediate this move by the Airport
>>> Authority, including filing of friendly briefs, or other actions; and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED: that, this organization empower our president
>>> and
>>> board to authorize any actions, including, but not limited to, press
>>> releases, testimony or demonstrations, which seem prudent, effective
>>> andare designed to , result in the restoration of convenient
>>> transportation
>>> to users of public transportation to the Detroit Metropolitan Airport.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Robinson via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>; "NFB of Michigan Internet
>>> Mailing
>>> List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Followup on Michigan Flyer and Metro
>>> AirportFW:
>>> 7New, Eco-Friendly Buses Give You an Even Sweeter Ride
>>>
>>>
>>>> Fred,
>>>>
>>>> Our resolution at this years convention calls for more then what is
>>>> just
>>>> in the settlement. I don't see any specific progress in the
>>>> releasethat
>>>> warrants any praise for anyone yet. Carla may have decided to settle,
>>>> but
>>>> our resolution does not call for a compromise that results in unequal
>>>> treatment.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Fred Wurtzel via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:08 PM
>>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Followup on Michigan Flyer and Metro AirportFW: 7
>>>> New,Eco-Friendly Buses Give You an Even Sweeter Ride
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a release from Michigan Flyer. There is a promising update on
>>>>> the
>>>>> progress toward fulfillment of the settlement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I really appreciate Karla Hudson for her proactive work on this and
>>>>> the
>>>>> support of the NFB of Michigan in advocating for a reasonable
>>>>> settlement.
>>>>> We will be vigilant until we are certain that blind travelers will be
>>>>> able
>>>>> to fully utilize this service without undue inconvenience from the
>>>>> airport
>>>>> authority. Together, our voices were heard.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Michigan Flyer [mailto:sales at michiganflyer.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 6:45 PM
>>>>> To: f.wurtzel at att.net
>>>>> Subject: 7 New, Eco-Friendly Buses Give You an Even Sweeter Ride
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Image removed by sender. E-newsMasthead_November.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 7 New, Eco-Friendly Buses Give You an Even Sweeter Ride
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for you, we're putting a brand new fleet of seven luxury
>>>>> motorcoaches
>>>>> on the road this month, representing a $3.8 million investment by
>>>>> Michigan
>>>>> Flyer's parent company, Indian Trails, Inc.
>>>>> <http://trk.cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?7lzhp-ivu79-ymsckn8&_v=2>
>>>>>
>>>>> "We invested in a new fleet with high-end safety, comfort,
>>>>> eco-friendly
>>>>> features because of our commitment to our customers and our
>>>>> communities,"
>>>>> said Indian Trails President Gordon Mackay. "Since 2012, the number of
>>>>> passengers who've rewarded Michigan Flyer-AirRide with their business
>>>>> has
>>>>> doubled from 90,000 a year to more than 180,000."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The new fleet-all state-of-the-art 2015 Prevost H3-45 coaches-is
>>>>> equipped
>>>>> with technology that reduces exhaust pollutants to near zero. In
>>>>> addition,
>>>>> each motorcoach achieves 206 passenger miles per gallon and has the
>>>>> potential to remove 50 automobiles from the highway, further reducing
>>>>> air
>>>>> pollution and traffic congestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Safety features include an electronic stability system that enables
>>>>> drivers
>>>>> to avoid danger on slippery roads; an engine fire-detection and
>>>>> suppression
>>>>> system; two GPS systems; and a tire pressure monitoring system. All
>>>>> are
>>>>> equipped with three-point retractable seatbelts for passengers;
>>>>> ADA-compliant wheelchair lifts, and a large under-floor luggage
>>>>> compartment.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for comfort, the new coaches offer deluxe, ergonomic seating with
>>>>> leather
>>>>> headrests and ample leg room; individual climate controls, reading
>>>>> lamps
>>>>> and
>>>>> cup holders; tinted, panoramic side windows; 110-volt AC outlets at
>>>>> each
>>>>> seat for charging mobile devices; free WiFi; on-board lavatories; and
>>>>> enclosed, overhead parcel racks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Image removed by sender. Katie Donovan and Odie Norkin
>>>>>
>>>>> So, relax and enjoy an even better ride than before!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Detroit Metro Airport Update
>>>>>
>>>>> Image removed by sender. MIFlyer_Bullet_16px.JPGNew Customer Service
>>>>> Desk
>>>>> at
>>>>> DTW's McNamara Terminal
>>>>>
>>>>> In December, we're opening a new public-transit customer service desk
>>>>> inside
>>>>> the McNamara Terminal's climate-controlled Ground Transportation
>>>>> Center
>>>>> (GTC), which has accessible restrooms, drinking fountains and phones
>>>>> nearby.
>>>>> A Michigan Flyer-AirRide staff member will be posted at the service
>>>>> desk
>>>>> to
>>>>> assist passengers on most of our scheduled runs. This lets you stay
>>>>> inside
>>>>> until just before your motorcoach arrives, limiting exposure to
>>>>> weather
>>>>> at
>>>>> our boarding location (in the parking ramp about 200 yards from the
>>>>> waiting
>>>>> area).
>>>>>
>>>>> Image removed by sender. MIFlyer_Bullet_16px.JPGIf You Need Help, Just
>>>>> Ask
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need special assistance in accessing facilities at DTW, it's
>>>>> best
>>>>> to
>>>>> arrange for it with your airline at the time you make flight
>>>>> reservations.
>>>>> The airlines at DTW contract with Prospect Airport Services, Inc., to
>>>>> provide wheelchair and baggage assistance, and more. You can also call
>>>>> Prospect directly to arrange for help, preferably in advance but also
>>>>> when
>>>>> you're at the airport. Prospect's phone number at DTW's McNamara
>>>>> Terminal
>>>>> is
>>>>> 734-247-2400; at the North Terminal, it's 734-247-1121.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Image removed by sender. New Customer Service Desk at McNamara
>>>>> Terminal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers to You This Thanksgiving!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to you-our wonderful passengers-Michigan Flyer is now
>>>>> celebrating
>>>>> its
>>>>> eighth anniversary! With your support, our service has been growing
>>>>> rapidly
>>>>> since 2012.
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the years, you've told us you love how we enable you to ride in
>>>>> comfort, avoid traffic, stay productive, save money, conserve energy
>>>>> and
>>>>> protect the environment. And it doesn't hurt that we help connect two
>>>>> great
>>>>> university towns with one another and the world, and generate millions
>>>>> in
>>>>> economic benefit for both regions.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, you also really wanted the convenience of near-hourly
>>>>> departures
>>>>> every day between early morning and late evening.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Image removed by sender. Happy Thanksgiving!
>>>>>
>>>>> We delivered in November 2013, upping our daily schedule of roundtrips
>>>>> from
>>>>> eight to 12 on the East Lansing-Ann Arbor segment of our route to and
>>>>> from
>>>>> Detroit Metro Airport. A one-year, one-time start-up grant from the
>>>>> Federal
>>>>> Highway Administration helped us do it. Because of the continuing
>>>>> surge
>>>>> in
>>>>> loyal riders like you, the four new runs are now self-supporting.
>>>>>
>>>>> We'd like to express our gratitude to our friends at the Ann Arbor
>>>>> Area
>>>>> Transportation Authority
>>>>> <http://trk.cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?7lzhp-ivu7a-ymsckn8&_v=2> , too. A
>>>>> giant
>>>>> first step toward greater frequency was the formation of a
>>>>> public-private
>>>>> partnership with AAATA ("TheRide") in February 2012 to increase daily
>>>>> roundtrips from eight to 13 on the Ann Arbor-DTW segment of our route,
>>>>> which
>>>>> we operate as "AirRide
>>>>> <http://trk.cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?7lzhp-ivu7b-ymsckn9&_v=2> ." It's
>>>>> been
>>>>> a
>>>>> resounding success for Southeast Michigan, and no local property taxes
>>>>> go
>>>>> to
>>>>> support AirRide.
>>>>>
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