[nfbmi-talk] student division question

Elizabeth Mohnke lizmohnke at hotmail.com
Sun Oct 26 02:11:32 UTC 2014 

Hello Dave,

It seems to me that best practice has already been established. The state
student division did not need to seek approval from the state affiliate
President this past summer when it allocated funds to host a summer picnic.
I have also never seen any other local chapter or state division need to
seek approval from the state affiliate President for any of their events
either. The fact that you seem to want to treat this one event to a
different set of standards seems rather odd to me. It would also seem to
indicate a lack of faith in younger student leaders within the state
affiliate. If you are this worried about younger student leaders within the
state affiliate then perhaps you may wish to consider setting up some kind
of mentorship program so these younger student leaders can learn the skills
of leadership you wish to see them obtain to be effective trustworthy
leaders.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: David Robinson [mailto:drob1946 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 9:57 PM
To: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] student division question

Elizabeth,

   It appears we have a difference of opinion which needs no further
discussion.  The concerns will be brought up I am sure, and perhaps a good
practice can be determined.

Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Mohnke" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "'David Robinson'" <drob1946 at gmail.com>; "'NFB of Michigan Internet
Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: [nfbmi-talk] student division question


> Hello Dave,
>
> I heard J.J. was elected as the Second-Vice President of the NFB of 
> Michigan during state convention. Since he is the one who is looking 
> into the details for this event, I do not see why there would be any 
> problems with it violating state affiliate policy. And while I still 
> do not believe an event hosted by the state student division 
> necessarily needs approval from the state affiliate President, there 
> is no reason why the board could not request to receive a report 
> regarding the event.
>
> As it currently stands, I believe this project is still in the 
> investigation and planning stage. I have not seen or heard of any 
> motions to approve the funds necessary to carry out this project by 
> the state student division board. If the state student division has 
> the funds necessary to carry out this event, and the state student 
> division board approves of spending its funds on this event, then I do 
> not see any reason why it would need the approval of the state 
> affiliate President. After all, each local chapter does not need to 
> seek approval for every event they carry out as a chapter, so I do not 
> see why it would be any different for the state student division as 
> well.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> David Robinson via nfbmi-talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:44 PM
> To: Fred Wurtzel; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List; Fred Wurtzel; 
> NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List; Fred Wurtzel; NFB of Michigan 
> Internet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] student division question
>
> Fred,
>
>   Perhaps the question should be that if the event is to follow the 
> NFBMi policies , it would be helpful to have the purpose and plan 
> approved by the president.  After all, if a division goes  outside the 
> perimeters and causes a problem for our public image or violates the 
> charter,then who has to answer for it.  I cntend that it would be the 
> affiliate president in the end.
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Wurtzel via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'joe harcz Comcast'" <joeharcz at comcast.net>; "'NFB of Michigan 
> Internet
>
> Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] student division question
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> There are 2 points, here.  First, Elizabeth is correct that the 
>> Student Division does not need approval to hold an event.  However, 
>> if the event is to be funded from affilliate general funds, the board 
>> would need to approve such funding.  If the students raise their own 
>> money, then, it seems to me they may do any kind of event, 
>> commensurate with NFBMI policy, they choose.
>>
>> There was extensive discussion of an employment seminar at the 
>> leadership retreat.  As Dave states, the board did not appropriate 
>> any funding for the event.  Jordyn did present an estimated budget 
>> which did not mention funding sources.  I believe it was to be in 
>> March.
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> joe harcz Comcast via nfbmi-talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:37 PM
>> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] student division question
>>
>> Hi Elizabeth,
>>
>> The proposal was to have the State affiliate to fund this seminar, 
>> using already existing resources like BSBP, the One-stops, etc. to 
>> the tune of $12,000.
>>
>> So though no formal proposal was put forward, which is what Lydia was 
>> asking for the notion of funding this event and the dollar amount 
>> were mentioned at the leadership retreat.
>>
>> So Dave is right on in his statement and he answered Lydia's questions .
>>
>> Joe
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Elizabeth Mohnke via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'David Robinson'" <drob1946 at gmail.com>; "'NFB of Michigan 
>> Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] student division question
>>
>>
>>> Hello Dave,
>>>
>>> Since when does the state student division need to seek the approval 
>>> of the state affiliate President to hold an event? The state student 
>>> division has its own board and its own treasury. As long as the 
>>> state student division board approves of the event and has the money 
>>> in its own treasury, there should be no need for any kind of special 
>>> approval. I have never seen any other chapter or division seek the 
>>> approval of the state affiliate president to hold an event, so why 
>>> would it be any different for the state student division?
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Robinson [mailto:drob1946 at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:19 PM
>>> To: Elizabeth Mohnke
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] student division question
>>>
>>> Elizabeth,
>>>
>>>   The student division can hold an event if it is approved by the 
>>> president. If funds are requested then the board has to approve such 
>>> an expenditure.  I do not know the plans as of yet, but as far as I 
>>> know, the board has recieved no report on any plans or any approval.
>>>
>>> Dave Robinson
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Elizabeth Mohnke" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'David Robinson'" <drob1946 at gmail.com>; "'NFB of Michigan 
>>> Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:13 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [nfbmi-talk] student division question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Unless the state student division is interested in requesting 
>>>> financial assistance from the state affiliate, I do not believe the 
>>>> state student division needs to seek any kind of special permission 
>>>> from the state affiliate to host and event.
>>>>
>>>> The last I heard about this, the state student division was looking 
>>>> into planning an employment seminar during the last part of March. 
>>>> I do not know if this was discussed any further during state
convention.
>>>> It sounds as though J.J. is in charge of the logistics for this 
>>>> event, so perhaps he can provide more information about it.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>>>> Of David Robinson via nfbmi-talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 5:25 PM
>>>> To: Lydia Anne Schuck; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List; Lydia 
>>>> Anne Schuck; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List; Lydia Anne 
>>>> Schuck; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] student division question
>>>>
>>>> Lydia,
>>>>
>>>>   I do not believe that the student division has approached the 
>>>> board to even have such a seminar.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Robinson
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Lydia Anne Schuck via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" 
>>>> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:04 PM
>>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] student division question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Jordyn or any other student division folk:
>>>>> I am wondering how the planning is going for a student 
>>>>> seminar...the planning started at the leadership retreat.  I 
>>>>> couldn't get the convention
>>>>
>>>>> stream so I did not hear any updates on it.  If you have a date, I 
>>>>> would like to get it on the parent lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lydia Schuck, MSEd
>>>>> Research Associate, National Secondary Transition Technical 
>>>>> Assistance Center Western Michigan University
>>>>> 1908 W. Michigan Avenue, Mailstop 5259 Kalamazoo, MI  49008 phone
>>>>> 269.387.5990
>>>>>
>>>>>
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