[Nfbmo] Good IntentionsGoneBad
Gary Wunder
GWunder at earthlink.net
Tue Sep 7 14:32:27 UTC 2010
Good morning Dewey. I certainly am not for the government running
everything. I do think there are things which business is ill-equipped to
run. I think our military should be run by the government. I think
libraries, which have virtually know chance of making money, should be run
by the government. I would say that social service agencies which have a
tremendous obligation for privacy and little to no chance of making a profit
should be run by the government. I think transportation systems which are
not going to make a profit but which are considered essential for
transporting people who don't have or can't use cars probably should be run
by the government. I think that as a people we should hire our police and
fire departments, so this too would mean they should be run by the
government.
There is a place for small business, large business, and multi-national
corporations. There is also a place for non-profits and not-for-profits. The
world has a lot of different roles to fill and so we need many different
organizational structures to address them.
I do not despise government. I do not believe government is doomed to fail
or that it is inevitable that they do a bad job. To me government is not a
savior, but neither is it a dirty word to be pronounced with disgust. For
all of its flaws, we elect it, we supervise it, and we have an obligation to
criticize it when it is wrong, help it come to right decisions, and be proud
of it and ourselves when it does what needs doing.
We are so divided as a country that it is hard to get people to agree on
what government should do, what would constitute a good outcome, and what
regulations are necessary and which are burdensome. Until we can have some
civil debate among ourselves on what we want, government will always be seen
as a failing institution. In some ways that makes the world an easier place
for us, for why try to change what cannot be changed. I'm not ready to give
up. I love our country and the theory on which our government is to govern.
Probably a more complicated answer than you want.
Warmly,
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Dewey Bradley
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] Fw: [Missouri-l] Fw: [leadership] Good
IntentionsGoneBad
Hay Garry thanks for your reply.
First of all let me ask a question, Are you for the government running
things?
I couldn't tell by what you said, Just wondering.
And with the transit companies, its not jsust one case, they all do it.
I think that the Kansas City metro is the best I've seen so far for people
to get around.
RTD in Denver, where the NFB is really big, they do not comply.
You can't tell what train goes where, and even when you are on it, the
driver has to hit a button at each stop, well some times they forget, so it
plays the wrong recording.
And most of them you can't get the schedules in braille or anything.
We have them here in Springfield, but no where else I know of.
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IntentionsGoneBad
> We certainly can look at a case if you have one. If anyone should be
> an example, it is government run programs.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Dewey Bradley
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> IntentionsGoneBad
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> What I find funny is that with the ADA you can soo a business, but no
> one will make transit companies follow it, but no one wants to hear
> about that.
> We will gripe about steep steps, but don't care when we miss our stop
> on the bus, or get on the wrong train.
>
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> GoneBad
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>
>> What is interesting is to see how few suits there really are under
>> the ADA and how few prevail. If you look hard enough, you can find an
>> extreme example of anything, but mostly the burden is still on the
>> individual to be smarter, work harder, and have more technical skills
>> to get his/her foot in the door and then stay there.
>>
>>
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>> To: "Acblead" <leadership at acb.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:31 AM
>>> Subject: [leadership] Good Intentions Gone Bad
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>>>
>>>> Good Intentions Gone Bad
>>>> John Stossel
>>>> You own a business, maybe a restaurant. You've got a lot to worry
>>>> about. You have to make sure the food is safe and tastes good,
>>>> that the place is clean and appealing, that workers are friendly
>>>> and paid according to a hundred Labor Department and IRS rules.
>>>> On top of that, there are rules you might have no idea about. The
>>>> bathroom sinks must be a specified height. So must the doorknobs
>>>> and mirrors. You must have rails. And if these things aren't
>>>> right -- say, if your mirror is just one inch too high -- you could
>>>> be sued for thousands of dollars. And be careful. If you fail
>>
>>>> to let a customer bring a large snake, which he calls his "service
>>>> animal," into your restaurant, you could be in trouble. All of
>>>> this is because of the well-intentioned Americans With Disabilities
>>>> Act, which President George H.W. Bush signed 20 years ago.
>>>> The ADA was popular with Republicans and Democrats. It passed
>>>> both houses of Congress with overwhelming majorities, 377 to 28 in
>>>> the House and 91 to 6 in the Senate.
>>>> What does it do? The ADA prohibits discrimination against people
>>>> with disabilities, requiring businesses to provide the disabled
>>>> "equal access"
>>
>>>> and to make "reasonable accommodation" for employees. Tax credits
>>>> and deductions are available for special equipment (talking
>>>> computers, for
>>>> instance) and modifying buildings to comply with the accessibility
>>>> mandate.
>>>> The ADA was supposed to help more disabled people find jobs. But
>>>> did it? Strangely, no. An MIT study found that employment of
>>>> disabled men ages 21 to 58 declined after the ADA went into effect.
>>>> Same for women ages 21 to 39.
>>>> How could employment among the disabled have declined? Because the
>>>> law turns "protected" people into potential lawsuits. Most ADA
>>>> litigation occurs when an employee is fired, so the safest way to
>>>> avoid those costs is not to hire the disabled in the first place.
>>>> Walter Olson, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and author of
>>>> the Overlawyeredddcom blog, says that the law was unnecessary.
>>>> Many "hire the handicapped" programs existed before the ADA passed.
>>>> Sadly, now most
>>
>>>> have been quietly discontinued, probably because of the threat of
>>>> legal consequences if an employee doesn't work out.
>>>> Under the ADA, Olson notes, fairness does not mean treating
>>>> disabled people the same as non-disabled people. Rather it means
>>>> accommodating them. In other words, the law requires that people
>>>> be treated unequally.
>>>> The law has also unleashed a landslide of lawsuits by
>>>> "professional litigants" who file a hundred suits at a time.
>>>> Disabled people visit businesses to look for violations, but
>>>> instead of simply asking that a violation be corrected, they
>>>> partner with lawyers who (legally) extort settlement money from the
businesses.
>>>> Some disabled people have benefited from changes effected by the
>>>> ADA, but the costs are rarely accounted for. If a small business
>>>> has to lay off an employee to afford the added expense of
>>>> accommodating the disabled, is that a good thing -- especially if,
>>>> say, customers in wheelchairs are rare? Extra-wide bathroom stalls
>>>> that reduce the overall number of toilets are only some of the
>>>> unaccounted-for costs of the ADA.
>>>> And since ADA modification requirements are triggered by
>>>> renovation, the law could actually discourage businesses from
>>>> making needed renovations as a way of avoiding the expense.
>>>> A few disabled people speak up against the law. Greg Perry,
>>>> author of "Disabling America: The Unintended Consequences of the
>>>> Government's Protection of the Handicapped," says that because the
>>>> disabled now represent an added expense to businesses, many resent
them.
>>>> Finally, the ADA has led to some truly bizarre results. Exxon
>>>> gave ship
>>
>>>> captain Joseph Hazelwood a job after he completed alcohol rehab.
>>>> Hazelwood then drank too much and let the Exxon Valdez run aground
>>>> in Alaska. Exxon was sued for allowing it to happen. So Exxon
>>>> prohibited employees who have had a drug or drinking problem from
>>>> holding safety-sensitive jobs. The result? You guessed it --
>>>> employees with a history of alcohol abuse sued under the ADA,
>>>> demanding their "right" to those jobs. The federal government
>>>> (Equal Employment Opportunity
>>>> Commission) supported the employees. Courts are still trying to
>>>> sort it out.
>>>> More money for the parasites.
>>>> John Stossel is an award-winning news correspondent and author of
>>>> Myths,
>>
>>>> Lies, and Downright Stupidity: Get Out the Shovel--Why Everything
>>>> You Know is Wrong.
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