[Nfbmo] tech seminar
Gary Wunder
gwunder at earthlink.net
Sat Oct 27 19:07:18 UTC 2012
We'll take you up on that. Hurray!
-----Original Message-----
From: Nfbmo [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Borah
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:22 AM
To: 'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] tech seminar
Someone said something about a tech convention or something? I could help
in any way with that. I am rather tech savvy.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nfbmo [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sievert
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:43 PM
To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] tech seminar
They were using the BC Scan to help identify unlabeled door prizes that came
in too late to have braille and large print labels made for them.
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Matt Sievert <matt.sievert at gmail.com>wrote:
> I saw the BC scan device in use last week at the Michigan NFB state
> convention and that is a really neat device.
>
> Here is a link to the product page.
> http://www.bcscan.com/
>
> Below is a link to an audio file where they demonstrate the BC Scan it
> is about 11 minutes long and will open in a browser window and start
> playing once enough of the file is downloaded to begin
> http://www.atguys.com/files/audio/quantum_podcast.mp3
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Bryan Schulz
<b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> i would like to see something like learning a gps and barcode app
>> then later in the day, you have to find some store and come back with
>> a
certain
>> product without human assistance.
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
>> To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] you and dog guides.
>>
>>
>> I think this is a great idea too. We are in the midst of a real
>>> revolution in technology that can make our lives much more
>>> productive, efficient and enjoyable - if only we can figure out how
>>> to use all these new gizmos!
>>> I'd be willing to help out with this - and I think we have a lot of
>>> tech savvy members who have a lot to contribute. We can host it here
>>> - but
>>> I think the topic is so wide-ranging that we would need two days to
>>> offer a basic understanding of the available technologies out there
>>> and how
to
>>> use them.
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 10/26/2012 12:30:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>> goodfolks at charter.net writes:
>>>
>>> yes I would be happy too. How does the third saturday in January sound?
>>> I
>>> have some other ideas which I will communicate with you off-list.
>>>
>>> Thanks for asking.
>>>
>>> Fred Olver
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wunder"
>>> <gwunder at earthlink.net
>>> >
>>> To: "'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] you and dog guides.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good morning Fred. I think having a seminar on I devices would be
>>> a
>>>> fine
>>>> thing. Would you be interested in organizing it? I think it could
>>>> be very informative.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfbmo
[mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.**org<nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Fred Olver
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:08 AM
>>>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
>>>> Subject: [Nfbmo] you and dog guides.
>>>>
>>>> So, we're having a seminar on dog guides? An interesting topic to
>>>> say the least. I do wonder though, why we are not having a seminar
>>>> on the use of I-devices, an item which offers more flexability and
>>>> perhapse more
>>>>
>>> options
>>>
>>>> in terms of offering independence to a much larger segment of our
>>>> population/group. Let me say first of all that dogs are wonderful
>>>>
>>> animals.
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> have two of them as pets. They each weigh about 40 pounds and help
>>>> me to get some much-needed exercise on a daily basis. I decided to
>>>> write this piece because I am concerned from the perspective of a
>>>> former dog-user about
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> whole concept of your using a dog as a guide for the first time if
>>>> you
>>>>
>>> are
>>>
>>>> considering doing so. There are some things I personally think you
need
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> know that you probably won't hear at the seminar this Saturday.
>>>> First of all, there's a good chance that some of your friends
>>>> won't want your dog in their car, especially if it's wet. Some
>>>> folks just don't want to deal
>>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>> the whole issue of dog-hair and unless you are able to sit in the
front
>>>> seat, there may not be enough room for your dog in the back, on
>>>> the floor where it should be. Secondly, although it is against the
>>>> law, there
are
>>>> some
>>>> cab drivers who will be unwilling to transport you and your dog
because
>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> their religious beliefs. Third your dog isn't always going to
>>>> relieve itself on cue. There may be times when your dog decides to
>>>> take a dump in a
>>>>
>>> mall
>>>
>>>> or
>>>> public building and you will need to clean it up. You will no
>>>> longer
be
>>>>
>>> an
>>>
>>>> individual. You will be a team, and chances are that Fourth, at
>>>> some
>>>>
>>> point
>>>
>>>> people are going to walk up to you and speak to the dog first.
>>>> Five, sometimes, people may even feed your dog, or your dog may
>>>> pick up some food from the floor when you are in a restaurant.
>>>> Six, people are going to
>>>>
>>> want
>>>
>>>> to pet your dog, and my experience tells me that although you
>>>> might want to make lots of friends and a dog is a good way to do
>>>> so, that if your
dog
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>> in harness you ought not let anyone pet your dog not ever, while
>>>> it is working. If you do, once, than your dog may think it is okay
>>>> for folks
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> do
>>>> that on a regular basis and begin asking for attention without
>>>> your even knowing it.
>>>>
>>>> Some folks feel that because they have dogs as guides that they
>>>> ought to be entitled to reduced rates for shots and other services
>>>> from their veterinarian. At one time there used to be a tax credit
>>>> for folks who
>>>>
>>> make
>>>
>>>> use of a dog guide although aI don't know that is true at this time.
>>>> Some
>>>> schools may offer assistance to extremely ill dogs, however you
>>>> should expect that if your dog gets hurt that you need to be
>>>> responsible to pay the vet bills. In other words, if your dog gets
>>>> hurt, you should not
expect
>>>> someone else to pick up the tab just because you are blind.
>>>>
>>>> Some folks are going to be afraid of your dog, just because it is
>>>> a dog.
>>>> Your dog is not your child and should not be treated as such. It
>>>> is a
>>>>
>>> very
>>>
>>>> loving animal, but it is also a tool which will allow you
>>>> independence however if not handled properly it can become a
>>>> burden, a
miss-behaving
>>>> child and more trouble than it is worth. Some people feel they
>>>> must take their dog absolutely everywhere, some show more common
>>>> sense and have determined that a baseball stadium or a bar are not
>>>> good places for a
>>>>
>>> dog.
>>>
>>>> Make sure you use common sense when working your dog. Is it really
>>>> necessary to inconvenience others so you can use your dog when you
>>>> could give it a break and use your cane? After all, this whole
>>>> independence thing, isn't it interdependence, and knowing when to
>>>> allow yourself to rely on others at appropriate times? If you are
>>>> going to make use of a dog guide, and I use this term because
>>>> Guide Dogs is the name of an organization, you need to keep up your
>>>> cane skills. You also need to let others feed your dog
say
>>>> once
>>>> a week, and you need to give yourself time away from your dog,
>>>> because if you don't, your dog may bond itself so much that it
>>>> might not choose
to
>>>> eat
>>>> when others attempt to give the dog it's dinner when you are away.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Below is a piece from my book Dealing With Vision Loss which can
>>>> be
>>>>
>>> found
>>>
>>>> at
>>>>
http://www.**dealingwithvisionloss.com<http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com>
some folks will disagree with what
>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>> have said and what is said below, it is after all my own opinion.
>>>> What matters though here, is that if you are going to consider
>>>> getting a
dog
>>>> for
>>>> use as a guide that you understand as much as possible some of the
>>>> ramifications of doing so. The good and the bad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> YOU AND DOG GUIDES
>>>>
>>>> I just can't tell you how many times I have been asked "how come
>>>> you
>>>>
>>> don't
>>>
>>>> have a seeing eye dog?" Well, there are lots of reasons, but the
>>>> fact
>>>>
>>> is,
>>>
>>>> that most sighted people look at dog guides as "Wonder-dogs." When
>>>> in reality, if you don't know how to get some place, how are you
>>>> going to tell your dog to get you there? When you look at the list
>>>> of resources in this book, you will not find any dog guide schools
>>>> listed. There is a specific reason for that. Most schools which
>>>> train people who are blind to make
>>>>
>>> use
>>>
>>>> of dog guides like those individuals to be proficient in use of a
cane,
>>>> FIRST. Consequently, whether you want to use a cane or not, if you
>>>> are thinking about getting a dog you need to learn to use a cane
first.
>>>>
>>>> My own experience has taught me that, while using a dog guide, my
>>>> orientation skills, that is to say that my skills of "knowing
>>>> where I
>>>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>> in
>>>> relation to my environment" deteriorated. I was relying on my dog,
>>>> as
I
>>>> was
>>>> supposed to, so much, that I inadvertently became less aware of
>>>> what was around me. Partly because I was not using my cane to be
>>>> able to know that that trash can or bench was there, because my
>>>> dog guide was taking me around it, as he was supposed to, but I
>>>> found that when I didn't have my dog
>>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>> me that getting around, maintaining my orientation and being
>>>> mobile was a much more difficult proposition than with a dog and
>>>> that in order for me to be able to maintain my orientation skills
>>>> that I needed to stop using
a
>>>> dog.
>>>> Over the years, dog guide schools have modified their stand on
>>>> using
>>>>
>>> canes
>>>
>>>> and dogs. Used to be when you would go to the school, they would
>>>> take
>>>>
>>> your
>>>
>>>> cane away from you. Now, some schools encourage folks to use their
>>>> canes in unfamiliar areas, or in order to help you to determine
>>>> where you are
in
>>>> relation to objects around you. A footnote to these comments
>>>>
>>>> concerning dogs, when I was learning to use a cane, I asked my
Mobility
>>>> instructor whether or not I ought to consider getting a dog guide?
>>>> He
>>>>
>>> said
>>>
>>>> "no", that my skills were good enough that I didn't need one.
>>>> Turns
out
>>>>
>>> he
>>>
>>>> was right.
>>>>
>>>>
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