[Nfbmo] tech seminar

Gary Wunder gwunder at earthlink.net
Tue Oct 30 12:30:03 UTC 2012


That would be cool. I am not only intrigued by outdoor navigation but by the
indoor stuff folks are working on. Sometimes a large hotel is more difficult
for me than the street crossing outside it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Nfbmo [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 4:39 PM
To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] tech seminar

hi,

i would like to see something like learning a gps and barcode app then later
in the day, you have to find some store and come back with a certain product
without human assistance.
Bryan Schulz


----- Original Message -----
From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] you and dog guides.


>I think this is a great idea too.   We are in the midst of a real
> revolution in technology that can make our lives much more productive, 
> efficient
> and enjoyable - if only we can figure out how to use all these new gizmos!
>     I'd be willing to help out with this - and I think  we have a lot of
> tech savvy members who have a lot to contribute.   We  can host it here - 
> but
> I think the topic is so wide-ranging that we would need  two days to offer
> a basic understanding of the available  technologies out there and how to
> use them.
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/26/2012 12:30:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> goodfolks at charter.net writes:
>
> yes I would  be happy too. How does the third saturday in January sound? I
> have some  other ideas which I will communicate with you off-list.
>
> Thanks for  asking.
>
> Fred Olver
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary  Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
> To: "'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'"  <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:36  AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] you and dog guides.
>
>
>> Good morning  Fred. I think having a seminar on I devices would be a fine
>> thing.  Would you be interested in organizing it? I think it could be 
>> very
>>  informative.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbmo  [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Fred Olver
>> Sent:  Friday, October 26, 2012 9:08 AM
>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing  List
>> Subject: [Nfbmo] you and dog guides.
>>
>> So, we're  having a seminar on dog guides? An interesting topic to say 
>> the
>> least.  I do wonder though, why we are not having a seminar on the use of
>>  I-devices, an item which offers more flexability and perhapse more
> options
>> in terms of offering independence to a much larger segment of  our
>> population/group. Let me say first of all that dogs are wonderful
> animals.
>> I
>> have two of them as pets. They each weigh about 40  pounds and help me to
>> get
>> some much-needed exercise on a  daily basis. I decided to write this 
>> piece
>> because I am concerned from  the perspective of a former dog-user about
> the
>> whole concept of your  using a dog as a guide for the first time if you
> are
>> considering doing  so. There are some things I personally think you need
> to
>> know that you  probably won't hear at the seminar this Saturday. First of
>> all,  there's a good chance that some of your friends won't want your dog
>>  in
>> their car, especially if it's wet. Some folks just don't want to  deal
> with
>> the whole issue of dog-hair and unless you are able to sit  in the front
>> seat, there may not be enough room for your dog in the  back, on the 
>> floor
>> where it should be. Secondly, although it is  against the law, there are
>> some
>> cab drivers who will be  unwilling to transport you and your dog because
> of
>> their religious  beliefs. Third your dog isn't always going to relieve
>> itself
>>  on cue. There may be times when your dog decides to take a dump in a
> mall
>> or
>> public building and you will need to clean it up. You will  no longer be
> an
>> individual. You will be a team, and chances are that  Fourth, at some
> point
>> people are going to walk up to you and speak to  the dog first. Five,
>> sometimes, people may even feed your dog, or your  dog may pick up some
>> food
>> from the floor when you are in a  restaurant. Six, people are going to
> want
>> to pet your dog, and my  experience tells me that although you might want
>> to
>> make lots  of friends and a dog is a good way to do so, that if your dog
> is
>> in  harness you ought not let anyone pet your dog not ever, while it is
>>  working. If you do, once, than your dog may think it is okay for folks
> to
>> do
>> that on a regular basis and begin asking for attention  without your even
>> knowing it.
>>
>> Some folks feel that  because they have dogs as guides that they ought to
>> be
>>  entitled to reduced rates for shots and other services from their
>>  veterinarian. At one time there used to be a tax credit for folks who
> make
>> use of a dog guide although aI don't know that is true at this  time. 
>> Some
>> schools may offer assistance to extremely ill dogs, however  you should
>> expect that if your dog gets hurt that you need to be  responsible to pay
>> the
>> vet bills. In other words, if your dog  gets hurt, you should not expect
>> someone else to pick up the tab   just because you are blind.
>>
>> Some folks are going to be afraid  of your dog, just because it is a dog.
>> Your dog is not your child and  should not be treated as such. It is a
> very
>> loving animal, but it is  also a tool which will allow you independence
>> however if not handled  properly it can become a burden, a miss-behaving
>> child and more  trouble than it is worth. Some people feel they must take
>> their dog  absolutely everywhere, some show more common sense and have
>> determined  that a baseball stadium or a bar are not good places for a
> dog.
>> Make  sure you use common sense when working your dog. Is it really
>>  necessary
>> to inconvenience others so you can use your dog when you  could give it a
>> break and use your cane? After all, this whole  independence thing, isn't
>> it
>> interdependence, and knowing  when to allow yourself to rely on others at
>> appropriate times? If you  are going to make use of a dog guide, and I 
>> use
>> this term because  Guide Dogs is the name of an organization, you need to
>> keep up your  cane skills. You also need to let others feed your dog say
>>  once
>> a week, and you need to give yourself time away from your dog,  because 
>> if
>> you don't, your dog may bond itself so much that it might  not choose to
>> eat
>> when others attempt to give the dog it's  dinner when you are away.
>>
>>
>>
>> Below is a piece  from my book Dealing With Vision Loss which can be
> found
>> at
>>  http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com  some folks will disagree with what
> I
>> have said and what is said below, it is after all my own opinion.  What
>> matters though here, is that if you are going to consider getting  a dog
>> for
>> use as a guide that you understand as much as  possible some of the
>> ramifications of doing so. The good and the  bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> YOU AND DOG GUIDES
>>
>> I just  can't tell you how many times I have been asked "how come you
> don't
>>  have a seeing eye dog?" Well, there are lots of reasons, but the fact
> is,
>> that most sighted people look at dog guides as "Wonder-dogs." When  in
>> reality, if you don't know how to get some place, how are you going  to
>> tell
>> your dog to get you there? When you look at the list  of resources in 
>> this
>> book, you will not find any dog guide schools  listed. There is a 
>> specific
>> reason for that. Most schools which train  people who are blind to make
> use
>> of dog guides like those individuals  to be proficient in use of a cane,
>> FIRST. Consequently, whether you  want to use a cane or not, if you are
>> thinking about getting a dog you  need to learn to use a cane first.
>>
>> My own experience has  taught me that, while using a dog guide, my
>> orientation skills, that  is to say that my skills of "knowing where I
> was
>> in
>> relation  to my environment" deteriorated. I was relying on my dog, as I
>>  was
>> supposed to, so much, that I inadvertently became less aware of  what was
>> around me. Partly because I was not using my cane to be able  to know 
>> that
>> that trash can or bench was there, because my dog guide  was taking me
>> around
>> it, as he was supposed to, but I found  that when I didn't have my dog
> with
>> me that getting around,  maintaining my orientation and being mobile was 
>> a
>> much more difficult  proposition than with a dog and that in order for me
>> to
>> be  able to maintain my orientation skills that I needed to stop using a
>>  dog.
>> Over the years, dog guide schools have modified their stand on  using
> canes
>> and dogs. Used to be when you would go to the school, they  would take
> your
>> cane away from you. Now, some schools encourage folks  to use their canes
>> in
>> unfamiliar areas, or in order to help  you to determine where you are in
>> relation to objects around you. A  footnote to these comments
>>
>> concerning dogs, when I was  learning to use a cane, I asked my Mobility
>> instructor whether or not  I ought to consider getting a dog guide? He
> said
>> "no", that my skills  were good enough that I didn't need one. Turns out
> he
>> was  right.
>>
>>
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