[Nfbmo] tech seminar
Kyle Borah
kgborah at att.net
Tue Oct 30 17:54:05 UTC 2012
I completely agree garry
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From: Nfbmo [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] tech seminar
That would be cool. I am not only intrigued by outdoor navigation but by the
indoor stuff folks are working on. Sometimes a large hotel is more difficult
for me than the street crossing outside it.
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From: Nfbmo [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 4:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] tech seminar
hi,
i would like to see something like learning a gps and barcode app then later
in the day, you have to find some store and come back with a certain product
without human assistance.
Bryan Schulz
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From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] you and dog guides.
>I think this is a great idea too. We are in the midst of a real
> revolution in technology that can make our lives much more productive,
>efficient and enjoyable - if only we can figure out how to use all
>these new gizmos!
> I'd be willing to help out with this - and I think we have a lot of
> tech savvy members who have a lot to contribute. We can host it here -
> but
> I think the topic is so wide-ranging that we would need two days to
>offer a basic understanding of the available technologies out there
>and how to use them.
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/26/2012 12:30:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> goodfolks at charter.net writes:
>
> yes I would be happy too. How does the third saturday in January
> sound? I have some other ideas which I will communicate with you
off-list.
>
> Thanks for asking.
>
> Fred Olver
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
> To: "'NFB of Missouri Mailing List'" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] you and dog guides.
>
>
>> Good morning Fred. I think having a seminar on I devices would be a
>> fine thing. Would you be interested in organizing it? I think it
>> could be very informative.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbmo [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Fred
>> Olver
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:08 AM
>> To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List
>> Subject: [Nfbmo] you and dog guides.
>>
>> So, we're having a seminar on dog guides? An interesting topic to
>> say the least. I do wonder though, why we are not having a seminar
>> on the use of I-devices, an item which offers more flexability and
>> perhapse more
> options
>> in terms of offering independence to a much larger segment of our
>> population/group. Let me say first of all that dogs are wonderful
> animals.
>> I
>> have two of them as pets. They each weigh about 40 pounds and help
>> me to get some much-needed exercise on a daily basis. I decided to
>> write this piece because I am concerned from the perspective of a
>> former dog-user about
> the
>> whole concept of your using a dog as a guide for the first time if
>> you
> are
>> considering doing so. There are some things I personally think you
>> need
> to
>> know that you probably won't hear at the seminar this Saturday.
>> First of all, there's a good chance that some of your friends won't
>> want your dog in their car, especially if it's wet. Some folks just
>> don't want to deal
> with
>> the whole issue of dog-hair and unless you are able to sit in the
>> front seat, there may not be enough room for your dog in the back,
>> on the floor where it should be. Secondly, although it is against
>> the law, there are some cab drivers who will be unwilling to
>> transport you and your dog because
> of
>> their religious beliefs. Third your dog isn't always going to
>> relieve itself on cue. There may be times when your dog decides to
>> take a dump in a
> mall
>> or
>> public building and you will need to clean it up. You will no longer
>> be
> an
>> individual. You will be a team, and chances are that Fourth, at some
> point
>> people are going to walk up to you and speak to the dog first. Five,
>> sometimes, people may even feed your dog, or your dog may pick up
>> some food from the floor when you are in a restaurant. Six, people
>> are going to
> want
>> to pet your dog, and my experience tells me that although you might
>> want to make lots of friends and a dog is a good way to do so, that
>> if your dog
> is
>> in harness you ought not let anyone pet your dog not ever, while it
>> is working. If you do, once, than your dog may think it is okay for
>> folks
> to
>> do
>> that on a regular basis and begin asking for attention without your
>> even knowing it.
>>
>> Some folks feel that because they have dogs as guides that they
>> ought to be entitled to reduced rates for shots and other services
>> from their veterinarian. At one time there used to be a tax credit
>> for folks who
> make
>> use of a dog guide although aI don't know that is true at this time.
>> Some
>> schools may offer assistance to extremely ill dogs, however you
>> should expect that if your dog gets hurt that you need to be
>> responsible to pay the vet bills. In other words, if your dog gets
>> hurt, you should not expect
>> someone else to pick up the tab just because you are blind.
>>
>> Some folks are going to be afraid of your dog, just because it is a dog.
>> Your dog is not your child and should not be treated as such. It is
>> a
> very
>> loving animal, but it is also a tool which will allow you
>> independence however if not handled properly it can become a burden,
>> a miss-behaving child and more trouble than it is worth. Some people
>> feel they must take their dog absolutely everywhere, some show more
>> common sense and have determined that a baseball stadium or a bar
>> are not good places for a
> dog.
>> Make sure you use common sense when working your dog. Is it really
>> necessary to inconvenience others so you can use your dog when you
>> could give it a break and use your cane? After all, this whole
>> independence thing, isn't it interdependence, and knowing when to
>> allow yourself to rely on others at appropriate times? If you are
>> going to make use of a dog guide, and I use this term because Guide
>> Dogs is the name of an organization, you need to keep up your cane
>> skills. You also need to let others feed your dog say once a week,
>> and you need to give yourself time away from your dog, because if
>> you don't, your dog may bond itself so much that it might not choose
>> to eat when others attempt to give the dog it's dinner when you are
>> away.
>>
>>
>>
>> Below is a piece from my book Dealing With Vision Loss which can be
> found
>> at
>> http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com some folks will disagree with what
> I
>> have said and what is said below, it is after all my own opinion. What
>> matters though here, is that if you are going to consider getting a dog
>> for
>> use as a guide that you understand as much as possible some of the
>> ramifications of doing so. The good and the bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> YOU AND DOG GUIDES
>>
>> I just can't tell you how many times I have been asked "how come you
> don't
>> have a seeing eye dog?" Well, there are lots of reasons, but the fact
> is,
>> that most sighted people look at dog guides as "Wonder-dogs." When in
>> reality, if you don't know how to get some place, how are you going to
>> tell
>> your dog to get you there? When you look at the list of resources in
>> this
>> book, you will not find any dog guide schools listed. There is a
>> specific
>> reason for that. Most schools which train people who are blind to make
> use
>> of dog guides like those individuals to be proficient in use of a cane,
>> FIRST. Consequently, whether you want to use a cane or not, if you are
>> thinking about getting a dog you need to learn to use a cane first.
>>
>> My own experience has taught me that, while using a dog guide, my
>> orientation skills, that is to say that my skills of "knowing where I
> was
>> in
>> relation to my environment" deteriorated. I was relying on my dog, as I
>> was
>> supposed to, so much, that I inadvertently became less aware of what was
>> around me. Partly because I was not using my cane to be able to know
>> that
>> that trash can or bench was there, because my dog guide was taking me
>> around
>> it, as he was supposed to, but I found that when I didn't have my dog
> with
>> me that getting around, maintaining my orientation and being mobile was
>> a
>> much more difficult proposition than with a dog and that in order for me
>> to
>> be able to maintain my orientation skills that I needed to stop using a
>> dog.
>> Over the years, dog guide schools have modified their stand on using
> canes
>> and dogs. Used to be when you would go to the school, they would take
> your
>> cane away from you. Now, some schools encourage folks to use their canes
>> in
>> unfamiliar areas, or in order to help you to determine where you are in
>> relation to objects around you. A footnote to these comments
>>
>> concerning dogs, when I was learning to use a cane, I asked my Mobility
>> instructor whether or not I ought to consider getting a dog guide? He
> said
>> "no", that my skills were good enough that I didn't need one. Turns out
> he
>> was right.
>>
>>
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