[Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.

David Andrews dandrews at visi.com
Sat Feb 16 23:24:44 UTC 2013


I for one am getting tired of your constant stream of messages, on 
many of our lists, about how the big bad rehab agency in Missouri 
favors others and picks on you.  I am not from Missouri, so have no 
way of knowing what happened, but your harping about it here isn't 
going to change anything.  Further, if you got a bum deal, maybe it 
is because of your constant negative attitude.


At 11:39 PM 2/15/2013, you wrote:
>if you want an example of a monopoly, a familiar state agency which 
>uses a certain vendor 90% of the time, has put other vendors out of 
>business, and sent one back to his original state is a monopoly!
>Bryan Schulz
>----- Original Message ----- From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
>To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>Strictly speaking, a municipal or state or  federal public service is not
>>a monopoly since these are not   for-profit organizations.  If all the
>>airlines combined into one big  private or publicly (in the sense of stock
>>availability) -ownership, then that  would be a monopoly.   Or if 
>>Comcast finally
>>owns all the cable   networks, then they would be monopoly.  Classically, a
>>monopoly restricts  competition.  A government-managed utility or transit
>>system is a different  category.  The big difference - we have a way to
>>change or modify a  government utility - we have no way to do so 
>>with a private
>>   And yes, this all gets very complicated  and far from  clear.
>>In a message dated 2/15/2013 5:18:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>dickmorris at netzero.net writes:
>>Hi,  Dan,
>>As far as I know, most bus companies are monopolies. Even back in  the day,
>>although the Delaware Coach Company was privately owned, it had a
>>to run all bus service in Wilmington, Delaware. Another company  had the
>>franchise to run buses out where I lived. And of course, you  couldn't
>>transfer between bus lines (sigh). So even back then, bus service  was a
>>monopoly. Of course now Delaware has a transit authority: there was  a
>>three-month drivers' strike in 1967 (I don't recall the issue), and a year
>>after it was settled, Delaware Coach pulled out, and the city created  a
>>transit authority which eventually became DART First State.
>>I  think you'd have to go back to the early streetcar era to find a
>>in which multiple companies ran transit services in a particular city. I
>>don't know if there's a book that covers bus transit deregulation in the
>>that Hard Landing did for airlines.
>>I guess it's obvious that  transit and transit marketing are two of my
>>favorite subjects. And it's  probably also obvious that I should let this
>>subject die until there's  more action in  Springfield.
>>From:  <DanFlasar at aol.com>
>>Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:38 PM
>>To:  <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga  Continues.
>>So much for the idea that the Free Market solves all  problems.
>>Without intervention by the will of the  people   (ie, our government),
>>free market capitalism leads  inexorably to monopoly -  which is why
>>government has had to intervene  so continuously over the years  - which
>>leads to too
>>much  regulation which leads to too much deregulation  which leads  to...
>>You'd think we'd remember this.
>>In a message  dated 2/15/2013 3:25:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>dickmorris at netzero.net  writes:
>>Matt and  Gary,
>>At least Springfield and Columbia  have bus stations in town!  Matt, I don't
>>know about where you are.  But here in Tahlequah, the bus  depot sits
>>abandoned; I don't know  when the last bus rolled through here,  but it was
>>before I came in  2004. Our closest bus station is Muskogee,  about 25 miles
>>away, and  taking a bus from there is like flying out of  Springfield,  in
>>you'll go to a "hub" city like Tulsa or OKC and  change  there. And Tulsa is
>>sixty miles from here.
>>Isn't  deregulation  wonderful? Just for grins, if you want an analysis of
>>what   deregulation has done to the airline industry, read  Thomas
>>Hard Landing. Petzinger writes for the Wall Street  Journal, and the book
>>both interesting and   readable.
>>From:   "Matt Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Friday, February  15,  2013 3:10 PM
>>To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List"   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>Megabus and the michigan flyer have all  been  successes.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Gary  Wunder"  <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>Sender: "Nfbmo"   <nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013  15:03:59
>>To:  'NFB of Missouri Mailing  List'<nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>Reply-To: NFB of  Missouri Mailing List  <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus  Saga  Continues.
>>When I sometimes ride the bus I get the impression  they  will run their
>>busses until they run no more and then they'll  stop serving  us all
>>It is not the service-oriented  company I used to ride  regularly.
>>-----Original  Message-----
>>From: Nfbmo  [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf  Of Dick Morris
>>Sent: Friday,  February 15, 2013 12:59 PM
>>To: NFB of  Missouri Mailing List
>>Subject: Re:  [Nfbmo] The bus Saga  Continues.
>>Matt, the big problem with Greyhound is  that they have  had no real
>>competition ever since they acquired Continental   Trailways in the early
>>and thereby gutted the Trailways network.  It  reminds me of the old, before
>>the breakup, AT&T commercial  slogan, "We  may be the only phone company in
>>town, but we try not to  act like it." Epic  fail on the parts of both AT&T
>>and  Greyhound.
>>Speaking of lack  of competition, think of what air  travel will be like
>>American and  USAir complete their   merger.
>>From:   "Matt Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Friday, February  15,  2013 7:40 AM
>>To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List"   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>Thank you for correcting me. Mrs. Cruise  did  the best she could with the
>>system. She even ran multiple  buses on the  same route during holiday
>>weekends, because the mall was  so backed up. I  never used access express,
>>because I didn't qualify,  so I can't speak for  that service.
>>As for Norna Champion. She has  a school and a park named  after her.
>>Greyhound is horrible for  everyone. For blind people, for servicemen/women
>>going to Fort  Leonard, and everyone in  between.
>>Greyhound drives me to be a  more successful person. So I can  bypass that
>>nastyness, by prtivate  leased car trips or airline  travel.
>>I will NEVER advocate  greyhound to anyone. They really don't  care about
>>their  customers.
>>-----Original  Message-----
>>From: "Dick  Morris" <dickmorris at netzero.net>
>>Sender:  "Nfbmo"  <nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013   03:45:09
>>To: NFB of Missouri Mailing   List<nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>Reply-To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>Matt, her name is Carol Cruise, and she has retired--but  she  was always
>>willing to listen to her customers. From what Gary  tells me, the  buses are
>>full now, probably thanks to $3  gasoline.
>>But...you are  absolutely right about the "second class  citizen" attitude.
>>Maybe you  remember Dr. Norma Champion. I had her  in several classes at
>>Evangel when I  got my communications degree  back in the dark ages. As a
>>state senator,  well...I was at a Jeff  City seminar, I forget which year,
>>of course I  met with her to  push NFB issues. One was a transit issue, and
>>her response  was that  public transit was for "someone like you". I think I
>>bit my tongue   till it bled. She was losing her vision due to macular
>>degeneration, but  I  never could get her to see our side of things. Sad
>>And  which Greyhound station were you referring to?  The old one on St.
>>or  the new one on East Kearney? My problems  were more with rude Greyhound
>>drivers than anything else, but the  last time I rode the bus,  about a year
>>ago, I had a good  experience--except for a bus that was three  hours late.
>>Oh,  well...can't have   everything.
>>From:   "Matt Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, February  14,  2013 8:11 PM
>>To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List"   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>I am glad I am not in   Springfield.
>>Public Transportation in Springfield, Missouri has  always  been a
>>"second-class" citizen issue. "only poor people and the  elderly ride  the
>>bus." is what I heard from most folks.
>>Also  seeing empty buses  driving around town didn't help any  either.
>>Mary Cruse did a lot to  help out the transit issue. I  don't know where she
>>went, but obviously by  Gary's, account, things  have not improved.
>>The only thing worse in  Springfield, Mo than  the public transit system, is
>>the Greyhound  station.
>>My  primary means of transportation in Springfield, Mo was a  cab or
>>Only when I worked at St. John's was the bus useful, that  is  because the
>>S. National went past the hospital on weekdays, and  the  #5 went by on
>>weekends. Besides that, the bus was a headache I  did not  want.
>>Matt Sievert
>>On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at  9:02 PM, Dick  Morris  <dickmorris at netzero.net>
>>>Good job, Erin and   Gary! I wish I were still in Springfield so I could
>>>part of  this.  You're dooing the right thing in trying to  garner
>>>sometimes  the only way to get action is to  embarrass somebody. Go for
>>>   --------------------------------------------------
>>>From: "Magoon  Erin"  <magoone at gary-springfield-mo.net>
>>>Sent: Thursday,  February 14,  2013 6:11 PM
>>>To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>  Subject: [Nfbmo] The  bus Saga Continues.
>>>The Bus Saga  Continues.
>>>  Gary and I went to the City Council meeting  on Monday.  He spoke about
>>>fixed route buses and I spoke  about Access Express.  Access  is the
>>>para-transit door to  door service that I'm riding for now  because of my
>>>surgery last  October.
>>>It is getting  pretty rediculous trying to get a  ride on Access.  They
>>>only  let you schedule a ride  up to one week in advance and it's getting
>>>  difficult to do  so.  They also have a 20 minute window either side of
>>>  pick-up to come and get you.  I had a pickup at 6:00 pm and  they didn't
>>>the person come on duty who was going to get   me until 5:55 so he didn't
>>>arrive until 6:20.
>>>I  had  another person drop me off at the wrong entrance to my building
>>>  my
>>>apaartment complex. I couldn't get a ride home  from my job  developer
>>>two hours after the end of my  appointment.  I  couldn't get a ride home
>>>the  gym at all, I could get  there but not home.  I also called one week
>>>advance of the  City Council meeting to schedule my  ride.  I scheduled it
>>>  for
>>>10:30 pm because I didn't  know how long the meeting would go and  they
>>>  up.  The lady called me back ten minutes  later and said she looked  at
>>>schedule wrong.  "It's written  in military time and  I have trouble
>>>and understanding  it.  The latest  we can get you is 8:30 not 10:30."
>>>I told  the Council  most of what I've just told you and they sent the
>>>  following  questions to City Utilities telling them they wanted answers
>>>  Friday, February 22.
>>>1. Why did you make the bus  route  changes?
>>>2. Why didn't you have the schedules and maps ready   before the changes
>>>3. Why didn't you  hold  a public hearing or have public comments before
>>>made  the  changes?
>>>4. Why did the routes change 3 and 4 times after  you made the  original
>>>5. Is it true that you  didn't want the  passengers to know the changes
>>>coming?  If so, why not?
>>>6.  Why are people having so many difficulties  scheduling an Access
>>>ride 6 and 7 days in  advance?
>>>I called the  City Council yesterday to find out  what was the next step,
>>>that's when  I got told those questions  were sent to City Utilities and
>>>soon as  they received a  response they'd call me.
>>>Today a reporter from  The  Springfield Newsleader called.  He talked to
>>>  me  and Gary about what has been going on.  I told him all about  Access
>>>that some of the buses arrive downtown five minutes  early now  because of
>>>new schedule, and the bus route  that was added  sits in the Social
>>>parking lot for 15  minutes.  No one  has explained why this is.
>>>The  paper got a report from City  Utilities telling them that the number
>>>riders on Access has  increased and that they have 5  buses.  I told the
>>>reporter that  several people I have  spoken to said they are taking
>>>because of  all the route  changes.
>>>He said that City Utilities has  responded to  City Council and said: "We
>>>should have had the bus maps  and  schedules available when we made the
>>>changes, we   will hold public hearings in the future for any change we
>>>to  make  whether it's small or big."
>>>I noticed that they  didn't answer  any of the questions City  Council
>>>The article is  supposed to run in  tomorrow's paper.  I hope it makes a
>>>   difference.

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