[Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.

David Andrews dandrews at visi.com
Sun Feb 17 04:51:20 UTC 2013


Bryan:

I was not taking an untruthful shot at you.  Granted, I probably 
shouldn't have done it on the list, and for that I apologize, but 
below is a message from you where you hijack a thread on 
transportation monopolies to accuse the blind agency of 
something.  That was not six months ago.

Dave

At 10:14 PM 2/16/2013, you wrote:
>hi,
>
>i'm happy as a new season of racing has begun.
>some enjoy taking shots no matter the truth.
>Bryan Schulz
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>
>
>>Happy trees, let's all think about happy trees,
>>
>>and talk to Bryan via his private email address.
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>>
>>>fyi,
>>>i haven't said anything for at least 6 months so go rip on someone else.
>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>
>>>To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List" <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 5:24 PM
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Bryan:
>>>>
>>>>I for one am getting tired of your constant stream of messages, on many
>>>>of our lists, about how the big bad rehab agency in Missouri favors others
>>>>and picks on you.  I am not from Missouri, so have no way of knowing what
>>>>happened, but your harping about it here isn't going to change anything.
>>>>Further, if you got a bum deal, maybe it is because of your constant
>>>>negative attitude.
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>At 11:39 PM 2/15/2013, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>if you want an example of a monopoly, a familiar state agency which uses
>>>>>a certain vendor 90% of the time, has put other vendors out of business,
>>>>>and sent one back to his original state is a monopoly!
>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <DanFlasar at aol.com>
>>>>>To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:26 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga Continues.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Strictly speaking, a municipal or state or  federal public service is
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>a monopoly since these are not   for-profit organizations.  If all the
>>>>>>airlines combined into one big  private or publicly (in the sense of
>>>>>>stock
>>>>>>availability) -ownership, then that  would be a monopoly.   Or if
>>>>>>Comcast finally
>>>>>>owns all the cable   networks, then they would be monopoly.
>>>>>>  Classically, a
>>>>>>monopoly restricts  competition.  A government-managed utility or
>>>>>>transit
>>>>>>system is a different  category.  The big difference - we have a way to
>>>>>>change or modify a  government utility - we have no way to do so with a
>>>>>>private
>>>>>>company.
>>>>>>   And yes, this all gets very complicated  and far from  clear.
>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In a message dated 2/15/2013 5:18:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>>>>>dickmorris at netzero.net writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,  Dan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as I know, most bus companies are monopolies. Even back in  the
>>>>>>day,
>>>>>>although the Delaware Coach Company was privately owned, it had a
>>>>>>franchise
>>>>>>to run all bus service in Wilmington, Delaware. Another company  had the
>>>>>>franchise to run buses out where I lived. And of course, you  couldn't
>>>>>>transfer between bus lines (sigh). So even back then, bus service  was a
>>>>>>monopoly. Of course now Delaware has a transit authority: there was  a
>>>>>>three-month drivers' strike in 1967 (I don't recall the issue), and a
>>>>>>year
>>>>>>after it was settled, Delaware Coach pulled out, and the city created a
>>>>>>transit authority which eventually became DART First State.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I  think you'd have to go back to the early streetcar era to find a
>>>>>>situation
>>>>>>in which multiple companies ran transit services in a particular city. I
>>>>>>don't know if there's a book that covers bus transit deregulation in the
>>>>>>way
>>>>>>that Hard Landing did for airlines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess it's obvious that  transit and transit marketing are two of my
>>>>>>favorite subjects. And it's  probably also obvious that I should let
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>subject die until there's  more action in  Springfield.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>------------------------------**--------------------
>>>>>>From:  <DanFlasar at aol.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:38 PM
>>>>>>To:  <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga  Continues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So much for the idea that the Free Market solves all  problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Without intervention by the will of the  people   (ie, our government),
>>>>>>free market capitalism leads  inexorably to monopoly -  which is why
>>>>>>government has had to intervene  so continuously over the years  - which
>>>>>>leads to too
>>>>>>much  regulation which leads to too much deregulation  which leads
>>>>>>  to...
>>>>>>You'd think we'd remember this.
>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In a message  dated 2/15/2013 3:25:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>>>>>dickmorris at netzero.net  writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Matt and  Gary,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At least Springfield and Columbia  have bus stations in town!  Matt, I
>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>know about where you are.  But here in Tahlequah, the bus  depot sits
>>>>>>abandoned; I don't know  when the last bus rolled through here,  but it
>>>>>>was
>>>>>>before I came in  2004. Our closest bus station is Muskogee,  about 25
>>>>>>miles
>>>>>>away, and  taking a bus from there is like flying out of  Springfield,
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>you'll go to a "hub" city like Tulsa or OKC and  change  there. And
>>>>>>Tulsa is
>>>>>>sixty miles from here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Isn't  deregulation  wonderful? Just for grins, if you want an analysis
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>what   deregulation has done to the airline industry, read  Thomas
>>>>>>Petzinger's
>>>>>>Hard Landing. Petzinger writes for the Wall Street  Journal, and the
>>>>>>book
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>both interesting and   readable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>------------------------------**--------------------
>>>>>>From:   "Matt Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, February  15,  2013 3:10 PM
>>>>>>To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List"   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Megabus and the michigan flyer have all  been  successes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Matt
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: "Gary  Wunder"  <gwunder at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>Sender: "Nfbmo"   <nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013  15:03:59
>>>>>>To:  'NFB of Missouri Mailing  List'<nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Reply-To: NFB of  Missouri Mailing List  <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus  Saga  Continues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When I sometimes ride the bus I get the impression  they  will run their
>>>>>>busses until they run no more and then they'll  stop serving  us all
>>>>>>together.
>>>>>>It is not the service-oriented  company I used to ride  regularly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original  Message-----
>>>>>>From: Nfbmo [mailto:nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.**org<nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>>>>>>On Behalf  Of Dick Morris
>>>>>>Sent: Friday,  February 15, 2013 12:59 PM
>>>>>>To: NFB of  Missouri Mailing List
>>>>>>Subject: Re:  [Nfbmo] The bus Saga  Continues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Matt, the big problem with Greyhound is  that they have  had no real
>>>>>>competition ever since they acquired Continental   Trailways in the
>>>>>>early
>>>>>>90s,
>>>>>>and thereby gutted the Trailways network.  It  reminds me of the old,
>>>>>>before
>>>>>>the breakup, AT&T commercial  slogan, "We  may be the only phone
>>>>>>company in
>>>>>>town, but we try not to  act like it." Epic  fail on the parts of both
>>>>>>AT&T
>>>>>>and  Greyhound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Speaking of lack  of competition, think of what air  travel will be like
>>>>>>once
>>>>>>American and  USAir complete their   merger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>------------------------------**--------------------
>>>>>>From:   "Matt Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, February  15,  2013 7:40 AM
>>>>>>To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List"   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you for correcting me. Mrs. Cruise  did  the best she could with
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>bus
>>>>>>system. She even ran multiple  buses on the  same route during holiday
>>>>>>weekends, because the mall was  so backed up. I  never used access
>>>>>>express,
>>>>>>because I didn't qualify,  so I can't speak for  that service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As for Norna Champion. She has  a school and a park named  after her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Greyhound is horrible for  everyone. For blind people, for
>>>>>>servicemen/women
>>>>>>going to Fort  Leonard, and everyone in  between.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Greyhound drives me to be a  more successful person. So I can  bypass
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>nastyness, by prtivate  leased car trips or airline  travel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I will NEVER advocate  greyhound to anyone. They really don't  care
>>>>>>about
>>>>>>their  customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original  Message-----
>>>>>>From: "Dick  Morris" <dickmorris at netzero.net>
>>>>>>Sender:  "Nfbmo"  <nfbmo-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013   03:45:09
>>>>>>To: NFB of Missouri Mailing   List<nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Reply-To: NFB of Missouri Mailing List   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Matt, her name is Carol Cruise, and she has retired--but  she  was
>>>>>>always
>>>>>>willing to listen to her customers. From what Gary  tells me, the
>>>>>>  buses are
>>>>>>full now, probably thanks to $3  gasoline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But...you are  absolutely right about the "second class  citizen"
>>>>>>attitude.
>>>>>>Maybe you  remember Dr. Norma Champion. I had her  in several classes at
>>>>>>Evangel when I  got my communications degree  back in the dark ages. As
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>state senator,  well...I was at a Jeff  City seminar, I forget which
>>>>>>year,
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>of course I  met with her to  push NFB issues. One was a transit issue,
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>her response  was that  public transit was for "someone like you". I
>>>>>>think I
>>>>>>bit my tongue   till it bled. She was losing her vision due to macular
>>>>>>degeneration, but  I  never could get her to see our side of things. Sad
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And  which Greyhound station were you referring to?  The old one on St.
>>>>>>Louis
>>>>>>or  the new one on East Kearney? My problems  were more with rude
>>>>>>Greyhound
>>>>>>drivers than anything else, but the  last time I rode the bus,  about a
>>>>>>year
>>>>>>ago, I had a good  experience--except for a bus that was three  hours
>>>>>>late.
>>>>>>Oh,  well...can't have   everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dick
>>>>>>------------------------------**--------------------
>>>>>>From:   "Matt Sievert" <matt.sievert at gmail.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, February  14,  2013 8:11 PM
>>>>>>To: "NFB of Missouri Mailing List"   <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbmo] The bus Saga   Continues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sigh,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am glad I am not in   Springfield.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Public Transportation in Springfield, Missouri has  always  been a
>>>>>>"second-class" citizen issue. "only poor people and the  elderly ride
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>bus." is what I heard from most folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also  seeing empty buses  driving around town didn't help any  either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mary Cruse did a lot to  help out the transit issue. I  don't know
>>>>>>where she
>>>>>>went, but obviously by  Gary's, account, things  have not improved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The only thing worse in  Springfield, Mo than  the public transit
>>>>>>system, is
>>>>>>the Greyhound  station.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My  primary means of transportation in Springfield, Mo was a  cab or
>>>>>>walking.
>>>>>>Only when I worked at St. John's was the bus useful, that  is  because
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>#2
>>>>>>S. National went past the hospital on weekdays, and  the  #5 went by on
>>>>>>weekends. Besides that, the bus was a headache I  did not  want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Matt Sievert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at  9:02 PM, Dick  Morris <dickmorris at netzero.net
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Good job, Erin and   Gary! I wish I were still in Springfield so I
>>>>>>>could
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>part of  this.  You're dooing the right thing in trying to  garner
>>>>>>publicity;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>sometimes  the only way to get action is to  embarrass somebody. Go for
>>>>>>it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   ------------------------------**--------------------
>>>>>>>From: "Magoon  Erin" 
>>>>>>><magoone at gary-springfield-mo.**net<magoone at gary-springfield-mo.net>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday,  February 14,  2013 6:11 PM
>>>>>>>To: <nfbmo at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>  Subject: [Nfbmo] The  bus Saga Continues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Bus Saga  Continues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Gary and I went to the City Council meeting  on Monday.  He spoke
>>>>>>>about
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>fixed route buses and I spoke  about Access Express.  Access  is the
>>>>>>>para-transit door to  door service that I'm riding for now  because of
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>surgery last  October.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is getting  pretty rediculous trying to get a  ride on Access. They
>>>>>>will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>only  let you schedule a ride  up to one week in advance and it's
>>>>>>>getting
>>>>>>>  difficult to do  so.  They also have a 20 minute window either side of
>>>>>>your
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  pick-up to come and get you.  I had a pickup at 6:00 pm and  they
>>>>>>>didn't
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>the person come on duty who was going to get   me until 5:55 so he
>>>>>>>didn't
>>>>>>>arrive until 6:20.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I  had  another person drop me off at the wrong entrance to my building
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  my
>>>>>>>apaartment complex. I couldn't get a ride home  from my job developer
>>>>>>until
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>two hours after the end of my  appointment.  I  couldn't get a ride
>>>>>>>home
>>>>>>>from
>>>>>>>the  gym at all, I could get  there but not home.  I also called one
>>>>>>>week
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>advance of the  City Council meeting to schedule my  ride.  I
>>>>>>>scheduled it
>>>>>>>  for
>>>>>>>10:30 pm because I didn't  know how long the meeting would go and they
>>>>>>set
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>  up.  The lady called me back ten minutes  later and said she looked at
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>schedule wrong.  "It's written  in military time and  I have trouble
>>>>>>reading
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and understanding  it.  The latest  we can get you is 8:30 not 10:30."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I told  the Council  most of what I've just told you and they sent the
>>>>>>>  following  questions to City Utilities telling them they wanted
>>>>>>>answers
>>>>>>by
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Friday, February 22.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1. Why did you make the bus  route  changes?
>>>>>>>2. Why didn't you have the schedules and maps ready   before the
>>>>>>>changes
>>>>>>>took
>>>>>>>effect?
>>>>>>>3. Why didn't you  hold  a public hearing or have public comments
>>>>>>>before
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>made  the  changes?
>>>>>>>4. Why did the routes change 3 and 4 times after  you made the
>>>>>>>  original
>>>>>>>changes?
>>>>>>>5. Is it true that you  didn't want the  passengers to know the changes
>>>>>>were
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>coming?  If so, why not?
>>>>>>>6.  Why are people having so many difficulties  scheduling an Access
>>>>>>Express
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ride 6 and 7 days in  advance?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I called the  City Council yesterday to find out  what was the next
>>>>>>>step,
>>>>>>>that's when  I got told those questions  were sent to City Utilities
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>soon as  they received a  response they'd call me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Today a reporter from  The  Springfield Newsleader called.  He talked
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>both
>>>>>>>  me  and Gary about what has been going on.  I told him all about
>>>>>>>Access
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>that some of the buses arrive downtown five minutes  early now
>>>>>>>  because of
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>new schedule, and the bus route  that was added  sits in the Social
>>>>>>Security
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>parking lot for 15  minutes.  No one  has explained why this is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The  paper got a report from City  Utilities telling them that the
>>>>>>>number
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>riders on Access has  increased and that they have 5  buses.  I told
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>reporter that  several people I have  spoken to said they are taking
>>>>>>Access
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>because of  all the route  changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He said that City Utilities has  responded to  City Council and said:
>>>>>>>"We
>>>>>>>should have had the bus maps  and  schedules available when we made the
>>>>>>>route
>>>>>>>changes, we   will hold public hearings in the future for any change we
>>>>>>want
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to  make  whether it's small or big."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I noticed that they  didn't answer  any of the questions City Council
>>>>>>asked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The article is  supposed to run in  tomorrow's paper.  I hope it makes
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>   difference.





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