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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Unfortunately, there is no limit on how far back they can or will go. About five years ago they came after me for alleged overpayments that went back as far as 1986. Luckily for me, I was able to prove that I had been granted a waiver previously on that amount as I had kept my letter from way back then. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There are three options:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Repay in installments if the overpayment is large I have seen them agree to as much as five years.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Request a administrative hearing but there are strict time limits on this and if they have previously notified you of the overpayment the hearing window is likely closed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thirdly, you can request a waiver in which case you must prove to their satisfaction that you cannot afford to repay the money. They may request you to provide copies of all of your bills but at the very least you will have to list all of your obligations. You will get one of three responses approval, denial or they will set-up a repayment program. If you are denied outright they will want a check immediately. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>Gene Coulter<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>From:</span></b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'> NFBMO <nfbmo-bounces@nfbnet.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>b.schulz--- via NFBMO<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 20, 2023 8:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'NFB of Missouri Mailing List' <nfbmo@nfbnet.org><br><b>Cc:</b> b.schulz@sbcglobal.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBMO] trial work months<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>A few people want to know is there a statute of limitations of how long the ssa has to persue repayment of ssdi checks such as 10 or 20 years?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bryan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>From:</span></b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'> NFBMO <<a href="mailto:nfbmo-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfbmo-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>GeneCoulter--- via NFBMO<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 20, 2023 1:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'NFB of Missouri Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:nfbmo@nfbnet.org">nfbmo@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:GeneCoulter@Charter.net">GeneCoulter@Charter.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBMO] trial work months<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:.25in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.5pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:.25in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.5pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span style='color:black'>Here is a link from SSA which confirms the rolling 9 months within 60 months. Also, the TWP limit was $200.00 a month from 1990 through 2000. The POMS contains the official regulations for SSA . </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:.25in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.5pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span style='color:black'>Gene </span><o:p></o:p></p><h3 style='mso-margin-top-alt:.25in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:1.5pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#101518;font-weight:normal'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:Roboto;color:#101518;font-weight:normal'><a href="https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.NSF/lnx/0413010060" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:#202124'>secure.ssa.gov</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:#5F6368'> › apps10 › poms</span><span style='color:#1A0DAB'>DI 13010.060 Determining Trial Work Period (TWP) Service ...</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></h3><p class=fz-14 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;line-height:16.5pt;background:white;max-height: 44px;zoom: 1;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient: vertical;-webkit-line-clamp: 2;overflow:hidden'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#70757A'>Oct 19, 2023 · </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#4D5156'>Effective 01/1992, a TWP is complete only when a beneficiary for disability insurance benefits (DIB), disabled widow’s benefits (DWB), or childhood disability benefits (CDB) completes nine service months within a 60 consecutive month rolling period.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>From:</span></b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'> NFBMO <<a href="mailto:nfbmo-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfbmo-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>b.schulz--- via NFBMO<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 20, 2023 12:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'NFB of Missouri Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:nfbmo@nfbnet.org">nfbmo@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:b.schulz@sbcglobal.net">b.schulz@sbcglobal.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBMO] trial work months<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I thought the number was 48 months.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Is this a law and can you point to where to read about it?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Any idea what the dollar amount was back in 1999?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bryan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>From:</span></b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'> NFBMO <<a href="mailto:nfbmo-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfbmo-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>GeneCoulter--- via NFBMO<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 20, 2023 12:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'NFB of Missouri Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:nfbmo@nfbnet.org">nfbmo@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:GeneCoulter@Charter.net">GeneCoulter@Charter.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBMO] trial work months<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Yes! I understand it. But, I am not sure you will anybetter after I attempt to explain it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The trial work period (TWP) is designed to allowed a disabled person to go to work and see if they are able to do the job without immediately losing their SSDI benefits. This does not apply to SSI.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>When you get a job and earn in excess of $1,050 a month (in 2024) you would use up a month of TWP. There is no limit to the amount you are allowed to earn during TWP months. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The TWP lasts for 9 months and they do not have to be used consecutively. Any month your earnings fall below the limit you wouldn’t use a TWP month.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>If you do not use the TWP up within a five year period the earliest months roll off. Example if you used four TWP months from December of 2018 through March 2019 and four more this year the December 2018 month would roll off this month so that now you have only used 7 months instead of 8. Importantly, once you have used the 9<sup>th</sup> month the TWP is forever gone as long as you are receiving SSDI with a very rare exception (like you regain your sight and after going back to work in rare cases you have a totally different disability).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>Once you complete the TWP as a blind person you can earn up to$2,590.00 a month in 2024 and still get SSDI. One last point the next couple of months after completing TWP are called a work adjustment period and checks are still issued. But, remember to report your income.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>Hope this helps more than it confuses.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>Gene Coulter<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'>From:</span></b><span style='mso-ligatures:none'> NFBMO <<a href="mailto:nfbmo-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfbmo-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>b.schulz--- via NFBMO<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 19, 2023 9:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'NFB of Missouri Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:nfbmo@nfbnet.org">nfbmo@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:b.schulz@sbcglobal.net">b.schulz@sbcglobal.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [NFBMO] trial work months<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Does someone understand the trial work system?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bryan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>