[NFBMT] Chromebook

Wed May 16 16:10:31 UTC 2018

In order to do a tutorial session over the phone, each student would have to 
have access to a Chrome book.  Maybe that would be something fun to do at 
convention.  We have often talked about having a technology fair.  Joy

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From: NFBMT <nfbmt-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jim Marks via NFBMT
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:57 AM
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Cc: Jim Marks <blind.grizzly at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFBMT] Chromebook

Sure, I would be willing to share what I've learned.  In the case of ChromeVox, 
the screen reader for Chrome OS and Chromebooks, Google provides really good 
tutorials online.  The tutorials consist of both text and video-based lessons. 
Mastering technology is never achieved by anyone because technology develops 
very rapidly.  We are all stuck in a perpetual learning curve.  For instance, I 
learned last night that the Android apps on a Chromebook use the Talkback 
screen reader built into Android.  I had to search on Google for directions on 
how to operate Talkback on the Chromebook.  What I discovered is that ChromeVox 
automatically shuts off when one goes into an Android app on a Chromebook. 
Talkback takes over, and there are separate commands to operate Talkback. 
These commands are similar to ChromeVox commands, so it wasn't hard to learn 
them.  This sort of discovery happens all the time with technology.  All it 
takes to manage all the learning is an attitude of problem solving, curiosity, 
and time.  Also, a person needs a sense of adventure and purpose.  For sure, 
the days of running just one screen reader and one operating system are gone. 
Technology is more and more going to mobile devices, and the future promises 
more change than any of us think is reasonable.  That said, it would be good to 
spend some time teaching one another what we know, and I would be happy to do 
so.

Jim Marks
Blind.grizzly at gmail.com
(406) 438-1421

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Subject: Re: [NFBMT] Chromebook

With all the knowledge you have with different screen readers, coud you teach 
it over the phone if someone got the same as you have?
So far we are in a ten not a mack.
I find it interesting a friend of mine still uses a mack but went back to 
windows.

Original message:
> Interestingly enough, my Chromebook out-performed my Windows 10 PC and
> Android tablet today as I reviewed a website for accessibility and
> usability.  It was a remarkable difference as my Chromebook showed me
> stuff on the page the others could not handle even a little bit.
> Besides the Chrome OS, ChromeVox, and Chrome, I reviewed the site with
> Jaws and NVDA using Internet Explorer and Firefox as well as with
> Android, Talkback, and Chrome.  The Chromebook handled the page far
> better than the other tools.  Since I was reviewing only one website,
> it's probably premature to declare the Chromebook the winner.  I'll be
> reviewing many more sites soon, so I'll let all know if the Chromebook
> success persists.  Also, it may be the Chrome browser that's best in
> any operating system.  I did not use Chrome with Jaws or NVDA.  Still,
> using Chrome with Android provided a lesser quality access than Chrome
> with Chrome OS.

> I'm very sad about how terrible Jaws and IE are these days.  IE is
> rapidly getting out of date.  I understand that Microsoft is not
> continuing IE development because the company is putting its eggs in
> the MS Edge browser.  As far as I know, Jaws does not yet work well
> with MS Edge.  And there are issues using Jaws and Firefox and Chrome
> browsers as well.  NVDA looks pretty good, but Jaws remains the king.
> My point in mentioning this is that our current IT requires blind
> users to apply a variety of screen readers and browsers.  We talked about
> this phenomena the other day.   Moreover, blind users have to know more
> than one operating system to stay current.  My three are Windows 10,
> Android, and Chrome OS.  Sometime, I will have to rekindle my
> knowledge of Apple IOS and to learn for the first time how to operate a Mac 
> PC.
> Hard to accept that I feel nostalgia for simpler technology times.  To
> move forward, diversity in IT is a must, though.

> Jim Marks
> Blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> (406) 438-1421

> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFBMT [mailto:nfbmt-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Burke
> via NFBMT
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 1:32 PM
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> Cc: Dan Burke <burke.dall at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFBMT] Chromebook

> Thanks Jim.

> It's actually about the same price as many Android tablets.

> On 5/14/18, Jim Marks via NFBMT <nfbmt at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Here is my initial report on using a Chromebook and its built-in
>> screen reader, ChromeVox.

>> I bought the Chromebook on Amazon.  It cost $177, and it is a
>> refurbished Samsung with 4GB RAM and a 32GB SSD.  Its 11-inch screen
>> is not a touch screen.  It looks like a regular small laptop.

>> Chromebooks are designed to run apps and to store date on the cloud.
>> They primarily use the Google products such as Chrome and G Suite,
>> but they also run Android apps and other online services such as MS
>> Office 365.  It is possible to use a Chromebook offline, but it's
>> best when connected to the Internet.  Its keyboard is designed for 
>> Chromebook.
>> For example, it has no F keys, and it includes a new key called the
>> Search key, and this key is also called the ChromeVox key because
>> it's used to operate the screen reader much like the Insert key
>> modifies Jaws keystrokes.  Although the Samsun is quite small, it
>> fits my large hands just fine.  I'm using lots of online tutorials
>> and videos to learn how to operate a Chromebook and to use ChromeVox.

>> All-in-all, Chromebook and ChromeVox work well.  At this point, I do
>> not think it will replace a PC for me, but it will serve well for
>> portable computing.  I think of it as being like using an Android
>> smart phone or tablet.  Also, now, my user experience is a bit
>> awkward, mostly because I have yet to commit the ChromeVox keystrokes
>> to muscle memory.  It's happening fast, though, because ChromeVox is
>> natural even though it means learning new keystrokes and new ways of
>> doing things.  The speech is very responsive and easy to understand.
>> I speed up the speech a great deal, and I prefer using the UK English
>> voice.  Insofar as I know, only female voices are available now.  Oh,
>> it is possible to add a refreshable Braille display to a Chromebook as well.

>> Facebook works very well.  I use Chrome and m.facebook.com, and the
>> experience is quite nice.  ChromeVox includes a feature called "sticky key"
>> in which one quickly presses the Search/ChromeVox key twice, and then
>> one can navigate with keystrokes that consist of a single key or two
>> keys pressed simultaneously.  When in sticky mode, it's not possible
>> to type, but all it takes to get out of sticky mode is two rapid
>> strokes on the Search/ChromeVox key.

>> I'm having troubles reading Gmail, but this is caused by my ignorance
>> on the keystrokes.  As I learn those keystrokes, I'm confident I will
>> be able to use Gmail with no problems.  I can also add apps like Aqua
>> Mail or Outlook.

>> In the future, I'll provide more updates.  At this point, I think a
>> Chromebook would be a very good alternative to an Android tablet
>> because it operates entirely with a keyboard and because it's
>> inexpensive.  I don't think I could, at this point, recommend a
>> Chromebook as a replacement for a PC, though.

>> Best!

>> Jim Marks

>> Blind.grizzly at gmail.com <mailto:Blind.grizzly at gmail.com>

>> (406) 438-1421

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