[NFBMT] printer/scanner

Jim Marks blind.grizzly at gmail.com
Mon May 21 19:58:03 UTC 2018


I'll post a website that lets you install Dropbox and other programs on your
PC that's easy to use.  I'll explain more in a follow up e-mail.


Jim Marks
Blind.grizzly at gmail.com
(406) 438-1421

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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 7:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [NFBMT] printer/scanner

I have it on my phone, where I wanted to do the same thing on the desk top
something went wrong so I stopped.
So much I don't understand.

Original message:
> Yes, you can use Dropbox to access files with multiple devices.  
> That's the beauty of the cloud.  You can also use MS One Drive, Google 
> Drive, and other cloud storage options in addition to Dropbox.

> I think the best way to use Dropbox is to install the Dropbox app on 
> your devices.  You can also access Dropbox through a browser like 
> Firefox, but the app method is more convenient.  Just install Dropbox 
> on your PC and IOS devices, and you should be able to access any files 
> stored on Dropbox with any of your devices.

> Best!


> Jim Marks
> Blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> (406) 438-1421

> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFBMT [mailto:nfbmt-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina 
> via NFBMT
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 1:39 PM
> To: nfbmt at nfbnet.org
> Cc: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
> Subject: Re: [NFBMT] printer/scanner

> What you are saying then is I can move important programs to the cloud 
> threw drop box?
> Wow that would be cool.
> I have drop box but don't know how to use it

> Original message:
>> The KNFB Reader app on my Android devices works well for me, but it 
>> does take some practice.  A user has to get accustomed to holding the 
>> phone or tablet correctly to get the best results.  Also, I purchased 
>> a stand from Amazon that holds my phone steady at the correct 
>> distance for taking the photo.  Lastly, lighting conditions make a 
>> big difference,
> too.

>> Computing is moving away from a PC-based technology to cloud-based 
>> technology.  The cloud simply consists of servers that store data and 
>> provide applications online, so instead of working from a local drive 
>> on your computer, your drives are remote.  Mobile technology is 
>> quickly overtaking the PC model.  In the future, but not quite yet, 
>> our screen readers will most likely be built into whatever operating 
>> system our device uses.  For example, for Apple IOS, it's Voiceover.
>> For Android, it's Talkback.  For Microsoft, it's Narrator, and for 
>> Chrome
> OS, it's ChromeVox.
>> I think Jaws and NVDA will eventually fade away in favor of these 
>> built-in screen readers.  It's going to take a while yet, especially 
>> for Narrator to catch up, but I bet we aren't far from the change.
>> What's really cool about this is that blind people enjoy immediate 
>> access to what our sighted peers take for granted.  We already can 
>> buy and use mainstream devices right off the same store shelf, and 
>> it's only a matter of time before this will be the norm for Windows, too.

>> Going back to KNFB Reader, the thing that makes it work for me is 
>> that I use the cloud to store information, and I can access the cloud 
>> with any of my devices, including my PC.  I don't have to mess with 
>> file transfers.  I simply go to a cloud site like Dropbox, One Drive, 
>> or Google Drive, and access my files there.  I continue to use my PC 
>> for serious work, but this is because the mobile options are not 
>> quite fully reliable for me yet, which is caused by a combination of 
>> my own lack of mobile skills and weaknesses in under-developed mobile 
>> options.  Thing is, though, the mobile stuff gets updated rapidly.
>> What might be a barrier one day can go away with an update.  Of 
>> course, the converse can be true, too, in that an update can break
> accessibility.

>> Best!


>> Jim Marks
>> Blind.grizzly at gmail.com
>> (406) 438-1421

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFBMT [mailto:nfbmt-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Edward 
>> Robbins via NFBMT
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 5:01 PM
>> To: 'NFB of Montana Discussion List' <nfbmt at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Edward Robbins <ecrobbins517 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NFBMT] printer/scanner

>> Joy,
>>         You covered several subjects here, and I would like to 
>> comment on several.  Scanners and a program like Open Book is great.  
>> I am fortunate, in that Anna does most of our reading, but when she 
>> isn't here I can do it myself.  As for Mortgage and other recurring 
>> payments, they can be set up for automatic payments so you don't 
>> forget
> and get hit with "penalty's".
>> Several years ago we changed our recurring payments, (utilities, 
>> phones, Mortgage, NFB PAC, Insurance, etc.) to automatic ACH payments 
>> from the bank, or Charge to my Credit card, which I gain points from 
>> with each charge.  The credit card is then the only payment we have 
>> to remember and we set this up for payment to be taken out of our 
>> bank account 2 or 3 days before it is due.  If you maintain a balance 
>> on your credit card, this too can be set up for "Auto Pay" and have a 
>> regular amount paid each month.  You only have to remember that you 
>> have limited funds left in the bank for discretionary purchases, such 
>> as
> food, clothing and other necessities of life.
>>         FYI, after a few years, I have earned enough points that I 
>> can purchase, or Help purchase my air tickets to attend the National
> convention.
>> It is kind of like a savings account.  Not a lot, but every little 
>> bit helps.
>>         As for maintaining records, the computer is good, especially 
>> if you "back up" your computer occasionally.  You can do this with an 
>> external hard drive, or if not that, even a portable "thumb drive) 
>> works.  Before I was working so much with the computer I used my 
>> Braille N Speak and after one of my crashes, one of my boys told me 
>> that I needed to "back up" the thing as often as I didn't want to 
>> loose the information.  You can do this with the external hard drive 
>> to "automatically" back up weekly, daily, or any period you choose.
>>         As a Christian, I have been reminded several times that even 
>> "JESUS SAVES".
>>         Each of us needs to use the system that works best for us, 
>> whether a Braille record, Computer "backed up" or a paper trail.

>> Ted

>> EDWARD C "TED" ROBBINS, E-MAIL:  ecrobbins517 at gmail.com CEO MBEI & 
>> Treasurer NFB of Montana PHONE & FAX:  406 453 6678, CELL:  406 799
>> 6268
>> 104 RIVERVIEW 5 E
>> GREAT FALLS  MT   59404

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFBMT <nfbmt-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of BRESLAUERS via 
>> NFBMT
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 2:07 PM
>> To: nfbmt <nfbmt at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: BRESLAUERS <breslauerj at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NFBMT] printer/scanner

>> We have a room set up in our house like an office where we have a 
>> computer desk with a computer, a phone, and a printer/scanner.  We 
>> had a reader once in Great Falls but when she got married and moved 
>> away, we never found another one.  It has been so helpful for us to 
>> have access to a printer/scanner that we can use with OpenBook to 
>> read the mail on a daily basis, and do our banking online.  I know 
>> everybody doesn't have this setup, but it works well for us.  It 
>> keeps the paperwork down, lets us know what is and isn't junk mail, 
>> and we can pay our bills or schedule them to be paid when we want 
>> them to go out, and determine how much they get.  That way other 
>> people and their schedules and editorial comments don't need to be
involved.
>> Each of us knows exactly what we have at all times, since we keep a 
>> running balance in Braille in a notebook.  We do this as a team.  I 
>> love it.  I haven't had a lot of success with the KNFB reader yet, 
>> but that would be a good option as well for scanning and reading the
mail.
>> Our system works well for us unless we receive something that is 
>> handwritten.  I know people who keep an expense ledger in a Braille 
>> device or on a computer that can be read with a Braille device.  I 
>> don't trust the computer any more since it has crashed on me more 
>> than once and I can't afford to lose irreplaceable information.  I 
>> also know people who keep notes in their Victor Stream or in their 
>> head, or call the phone banking.  I don't go by the phone bank 
>> because there are always things that haven't cleared yet.  You can't 
>> afford to make mistakes and forget things, so it is hard to keep tabs 
>> on it if you only use your memory.  Once, even though I was using the 
>> write-it-down-in-a-Braille-notebook method, I forgot to deduct the 
>> mortgage payment and wondered where all the extra money came from.
>> Oops, make that twice.  I'd like to say I'll never do that again, but 
>> I think that's what I said the first time.  I think it's really 
>> important for blind people to learn home management and how to handle 
>> finances.  I would bet that most of us have never had any training on 
>> it.  I didn't take any courses on it in school.  I know my parents 
>> didn't give me much advice, but the advice they did give me I 
>> fortunately
> heeded, and that was to write everything down in a notebook.
>> Maybe that was the only time I heeded their advice.  One thing about 
>> braille, unless you have a fire or a flood, you're not likely to lose 
>> the information like you would in a computer crash.



>> Joy Breslauer, President

>> National Federation of the Blind of Montana

>> Web Site: http://www.nfbofmt.org <http://www.nfbofmt.org/>



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