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<p>I am 100% for transparency, but I understand what you are
saying. There is probably a lot from the past that I don't know
fully about, but I'm just sharing my opinion as it regards funding
members to go to conventions. Thanks for your explanation.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/21/2018 11:38 AM, Richard Payne
via NFBMV wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Guys
I am only jumping in this loop to say a thing or two. First
this is something that should be talked about off list. The
state as you know has a form that is sent out after the
board of directors determine the budget for assistance no
matter who puts in a request. Money seems to be a topic that
could do more harm than it is worth think of the amount that
we are speaking about. We must remember that others can read
things on this list and they do not have the information
that you would have as officers of the chapter. I say that
to say that following this email thread several things are
not true and this is not the place to discuss some of it.
When we consider assisting people to attend the conventions
it is not based on income nor is it about how many times
they have received help. We know that people have personal
budgets, so the consideration is based on other things. For
example I may think a rich member should be denied because I
think they are rich, but I have no way of checking his or
her bank account. What most of the presidents in the state’s
will do is look at it as training for the affiliate or
chapter like a business would. I understand all of this, but
we can find topics that would be better served on the list.
You can feel free to call me and I would be glad to tell
you why I am saying this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Richard
Payne, President<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
NFBMV <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nfbmv-bounces@nfbnet.org"><nfbmv-bounces@nfbnet.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Wanda Sloan via NFBMV<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 21, 2018 10:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NFB of Ohio, Greater Miami Valley Chapter
List' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nfbmv@nfbnet.org"><nfbmv@nfbnet.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Wanda Sloan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsloan118@roadrunner.com"><wsloan118@roadrunner.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBMV] Fwd.: Money<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Chapters
usually follow what the State and National does. Looking
from a marketing perspective it’s a giant pyramid set up
which works well financially when managed properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
NFBMV [<a href="mailto:nfbmv-bounces@nfbnet.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:nfbmv-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Spangler via NFBMV<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 20, 2018 10:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nfbmv@nfbnet.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">nfbmv@nfbnet.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Robert Spangler <<a
href="mailto:spangler.robert@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">spangler.robert@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBMV] Fwd: Money<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>They are reviewed at the state level. I don't remember if
it's by the board, or if there's a committee; Richard would
know those details better.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/20/2018 8:47 PM, Tim Janning wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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would tend to agree that convention assistance
should be left to the state and the chapters and
divisions should contribute to the state affiliate
to support that effort and perhaps there could be a
group or team at the state level who could review
and determine who would get scholarship assistance.
I do not know what criteria is being used by the
state to allocate convention assistance or whether
it is first come/first served or based on who’s who
or who you know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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J<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
Robert Spangler via NFBMV <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:24 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> <a
href="mailto:nfbmv@nfbnet.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">nfbmv@nfbnet.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
Robert Spangler <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Re:
[NFBMV] Fwd: Money<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
think in order for me to give a full opinion the
names of the individuals need to be included as
well. Are these the same folks who went to the
national convention? It may be more respectful to
send this out to the board only. As I have
explained in the past, I am against funding the same
people to go to convention every year. In fact, I
am against our chapter funding folks to go to
conventions at all; the state has a scholarship
program for this purpose and we should be donating
to that instead. I understand that certain repeat
beneficiaries of this funding might not be happy,
but it would give folks who have not had a chance to
go an opportunity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On
9/20/2018 1:49 PM, Wanda Sloan via NFBMV wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So,
is Wanda Sloan one of the six//?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
NFBMV [<a
href="mailto:nfbmv-bounces@nfbnet.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:nfbmv-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>carolyn peters via NFBMV<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 20, 2018
11:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Janine Pickens <a
href="mailto:jayninepickens@yahoo.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:jayninepickens@yahoo.com</a>;
Robbie Spangler <a
href="mailto:spangler.robert@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:spangler.robert@gmail.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:nfbmv@nfbnet.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">nfbmv@nfbnet.org</a>;
Karen Warner <a
href="mailto:warnekoo@att.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:warnekoo@att.net</a>;
Tim Jannings <a
href="mailto:tjjanning@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:tjjanning@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> carolyn peters <a
href="mailto:drcarolyn-peters@att.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:drcarolyn-peters@att.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NFBMV] Fwd: Money</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Greetings board members at the
Miami Valley chapter we have some and finish
business to take care of. Please read the forwarded
information that I have asked Tim Jannings to
provide to the board. Some of this information was
discussed in the June meeting we did not follow up,
the September meeting no one requested scholarship
assistance, although the fun raiser is designated
for such purposes 1/3 for the national 1/3 for the
state and 1/3 for the chapter to make necessary
donations. As we all know we have some members that
need financial assistance we have some members that
requested every year, no matter why they requested
we must provide something if the funds are
available. We have six members who have requested
scholarship assistance and the state is gracious
enough to provide that assistance and has provided
it to the same six people for the national as well
so is so fair that we support the state with
donations for the cars as well as for door prizes. I
would like for each of you to review the statement
that has been before you and if you have any
objections please explain why you object or at least
give a rationale for your objection and if not I am
strongly recommending that we follow what is
outlined in the letter the only exception I would
make I would only offer the scholarship refund of
$40 for the banquet ticket to those that have
requested scholarships we have 11 people that will
be attending the State conference only six has
requested financial assistance., And they must
verify that they attended the banquet in order to
get the $40 refund. I hope you’re having a wonderful
wonderful day, I just completed a conversation radio
invitation with Paul Dressel from Cincinnati and it
was absolutely wonderful I had a great time and an
opportunity to promote the Miami Valley chapter as I
always do. Have a wonderful day if you need to talk
to me off-line please do so if not please just reply
with a yes or no with a rash and now thank you
sincerely Dr. Carolyn Peters<o:p></o:p></p>
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respond ASAP thank you<o:p></o:p></p>
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Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>From:</b>
"Tim Janning" <<a
href="mailto:tjjanning@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">tjjanning@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> September 18, 2018 at 2:24:21 PM
EDT<br>
<b>To:</b> "carolyn peters" <<a
href="mailto:drcarolyn-peters@att.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">drcarolyn-peters@att.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "Tim Janning" <<a
href="mailto:tjjanning@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">tjjanning@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>Money</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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Dr Peters</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Just to recap our conversation, our
profit from the spaghetti dinner and
sale of key chains less associated
expenses was $1,127. That is the same
number I provided Robbie for the Gavel
report. If we spend $50 each for the
Ten Brook, Jernigan, White cane,
Imagination funds and $50 for state
convention door prizes that amount to
$250. In addition to the $250 we will
make a pledge at the state convention
for money for the movement for $100 for
a grand total of $350. We spent $350
for National convention assistance for a
total of $700 leaving $427 for state
convention assistance which would just
about cover the cost a $40 banquet
ticket for 11 members. The
reimbursement for the convention banquet
would be after the fact. Hope this all
makes sense.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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