[Nfbofnc] FW: vendtalk Digest, Vol 57, Issue 2
Tim Jones
tjnc2 at carolina.rr.com
Mon Feb 2 22:55:08 UTC 2009
Thought OUR READERS MIGHT ENJOYE SOME OF THIS.
Tim Jones
VP, National Federation of the Blind of N.C.
Phone: 704-491-1486
Email: tjnc2 at carolina.rr.com
Today's Topics:
1. Re: new money (Lou Burton)
2. Re: new money (Lou Burton)
3. New Money (Vandervoorts)
4. Re: New Money (Loren Wakefield)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:10:04 -0500
From: Lou Burton <lburton at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [vendtalk] new money
To: Vendor Talk Mailing List <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
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perhaps you didn't understand, if the upper right hand corner was cut
at a 45 degree angle or such, than the orientation is known, and a
hole in the other corners would then tell you the denomination, and
the bills would work in all validaters; I don't see any problems with
that, and it would cost next to nothing for the curency to be
adapted, rather than reinventing all curency, just adapt what we
aleardy have, and the holes could be of a shape that is only
available to the treasury, kind of like the different shpated holes
use by the bus system when punching transfers.
Later, Lou
At 11, 55 1/31/2009, you wrote:
>I appreciate your idea but I am not certain that it would solve the problem
>of being able to identify bills. If you punch a hole in the corner, whether
>it be a 1, 5, 10, 20, or whatever, a totally blind person would still not
be
>able to distinguish between the dinominations. A totally blind person
cannot
>see which is the top of the bill and which is the bottom of the bill.
>Besides that, punching holes in the corners of the bills would damage the
>integrity of the bill and, before long, every bill in the country would be
>missing corners.
> In order to print Braille on the currency and have it resilient enough
to
>withstand the repeated use that money is subjected to, new elements would
>have to be added to the bills to strengthen its denier. This idea has been
>discussed but is not cost friendly to the treasury dept. Changing the size
>and shape of the money seems to be the most cost effective and convenient
>way for the currency to be made identifiable but the cost to the venders,
>the RS Program, and corporate America would be incredible due to the
changes
>that would have to be made in vending machines, ATM machines, and any other
>device that is made to receive paper currency. Who knows, we might even
have
>to redesign cash register drawers or wallets. Wouldn't that be a hoot?
> These are all some of the ideas that made redesigning the currency a
bad
>idea. The redesign and redistribution of all paper currency just isn't the
>practical, reasonable or cost effective way to resolve the problem we
face.I
>appreciate that there may be some elements of discrimination involved with
>the lack of equal access to currency but I am certain that it was not an
>intentional exclusion of the blind population and I still believe that the
>answer to this problem lies with providing the blind population with
quality
>currency identifiers and other technologies that can make the situation
>easier to navigate.
> The costs associated with changing the currency and redistributing it
>nationwide would pay for currency identifiers for the blind of the US many
>times over. I do agree that money is not currently accessible without
>adequate technological assistance but this is one of the circumstances
where
>I believe that it is up to the blind population to adapt and overcome; find
>new ways to deal with the existing situation and move beyond it to deal
with
>other more pressing issues such as Braille literacy and the present
>unemployment rate among the blind community.
> Have a nice day and thank you for the exchange of opinions I enjoy
>discussing the issues that we face and I hope that the
>continuing discussions of ideas will lead to solutions to the problems that
>we face as blind and visually impaired people.
>
>On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Lou Burton <lburton at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > A very simple way to change the money could be done without changing
size
> > or shape, and would also not fiddle with vending machine access.
> >
> > Take a bill, lay it down face up, diagonally cut the upper right corner
at
> > a 45 degree angle, this orients the bill.
> > A five would have a hole punched in the upper left hand corner, a ten
would
> > have a hole punched in the lower left corner, a 20 would have a
> hole punched
> > in the lower right corner;
> > a fifty would have holes punched in both upper left and lower left as
five
> > tens equaling 50, and a one hundred would have holes punched in the
upper
> > left and lower right as in 5 20s equaling 100, and of course the one
would
> > only have the orienting 45 degree cut in the upper right corner.
> >
> > Exsisting currency could be modified at the treasury as bills go through
> > circulation, that is as the banks send them in for deposits with the
feds,
> > and all new currency could be modified when made, and before long, all
the
> > bills in circulation would be of the new modifications.
> >
> > And just think, we would not have to hire some one to format the darn
bills
> > for deposit with our banks.
> >
> > Being a vendor myself, i don't think that these modifications would
bother
> > the bill validaters at all.
> >
> > What yall think?
> > At 07, 21 1/30/2009, you wrote:
> >
> >> This is a very interesting subject for many reasons but, forgoing any
> >> other
> >> talk about discrimination or equal access, it does present many complex
> >> problems.
> >> Just consider for a moment the cost that this kind of currency change
> >> might burden venders or the RS Program with. What about the vending
> >> machines? If the size or shape of the currency is changed to accomodate
> >> the
> >> blind in the community, then all of the vending machines have to be
> >> modified
> >> to accept these new bills. If the machines are not modified, then
venders
> >> stand the chance of losing income because patrons might not have
correct
> >> change and might, therefore, not have access to the vending machines.
> >> In any case, I think that this is a very long way away. Even if the
> >> treasury does decide that it would be appropriate to change the
currency,
> >> then they have a great deal of work to do in replacing the currency
that
> >> now
> >> exists. The cost of doing this would be incredible and it would
probably
> >> take many years to gradually filter the old money out and the new money
> >> in.
> >> My best advice is to buy a currency identifier, sit back, and enjoy the
> >> show.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Charlie Richardson <
> >> charlieofalbany at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > This could happen, but in all vending facilities, or at least it
could
> >> or
> >> > should be, a note teller in them. That way you know what currency
> >> people
> >> > are handing you. There is also a certain amount of trust in our
> >> customers
> >> > as this is a bit different from businesses on the street. I see the
> >> same
> >> > customer sometime 4 or 5 times a day. So we are more a part of a
> >> community.
> >> > So the chances of cheating are less.
> >> >
> >> > As far as the lawsuit, the Department of the Treasury lost their case
> >> last
> >> > May and I have not heard of another appeal, so they are probably in
> >> process
> >> > of looking into an acceptable change of currency that will work for
> >> > businesses and the blind that brought the lawsuit.
> >> >
> >> > I think the NFB's position has been misunderstood as it is in many
other
> >> > cases. I have seen quotes and was quoted myself by Associated Press
> >> that
> >> > the change isn't the problem, but the fact that it was brought on as
a
> >> > discrimination case. My opinion would be that blind people being
denied
> >> the
> >> > use of money would be discrimination. One of the judges was quoted
as
> >> > saying, just because the blind can use money is like saying a person
> >> using a
> >> > wheelchair can drag themselves and their chair up stairs rather than
> >> using a
> >> > ramp. This is like comparing apples to oranges.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, arguing about it solves nothing because the case hasn't been
> >> > appealed as far as I know.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl echevarria" <
> >> > cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> >> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:52 PM
> >> > Subject: [vendtalk] new money
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I have a question, one day this week a new tv was on I don't watch
it
> >> >> but the others at work have. The show is called what would you do.
> >> and in
> >> >> a segment, had an actor blinding a blind person who was buying
> >> something in
> >> >> a bakery and the merchant purposely who was also another action
cheat
> >> the
> >> >> blind person, to see if people would react it the situation and help
> >> the
> >> >> blind person out. To me we go shopping at the time without any help
> >> like
> >> >> myself and if I am going to a merchant that I go to all the time, I
> >> usually
> >> >> don't worry about it. And I don't think they should have done this
> >> >> anything.
> >> >>
> >> >> But it was brought up again that the federal government is changing
our
> >> >> money. I mentioned again to the people at work who I was having a
> >> >> conversation with that first of all I am my NFB family, just look at
> >> >> blindness as a nusuance. But they started insisting that we should
> >> fight to
> >> >> get money that we can use. I said why, we have been using money
since
> >> it
> >> >> has been created now. They kept insisting that is happening now.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is this true that the government is changing I haven't heard nothing
> >> was
> >> >> posted on the lists or in the braille monitor.
> >> >>
> >> >> I want to show these people who are the ones that they now what is
best
> >> >> for blind people what is going on if there is any updates.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheryl Echevarria
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews"
<dandrews at visi.com>
> >> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:30 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Kevan:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You wrote "the Worley Blind Union." Is that a "Freudian
slip???!!!"
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Dave
> >> >>>
> >> >>> At 10:07 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
> >> >>> >Greetings colleagues,
> >> >>> >I have enjoyed the back and forth relative to lottery. Well, most
of
> >> it.
> >> >>> >It
> >> >>> >would be really good if we could keep our eyes on the prize here.
I
> >> >>> >think
> >> >>> >that, given the interest I've seen on the list, as well as from
some
> >> of
> >> >>> >the
> >> >>> >calls I've received, the National Association of Blind Merchants
> >> should
> >> >>> >work
> >> >>> >with some folks and explore the very best way we can access
lottery
> >> >>> >technologies. Dr. Maurer and Dr. Schroeder are very active at the
> >> >>> >highest
> >> >>> >levels of the Worley Blind Union. I will ask them to investigate
what
> >> >>> >the
> >> >>> >Ansai folks are doing in Spain. I know that Charlie Richardson is
> >> >>> >continuing
> >> >>> >his follow up. Perhaps we can have a full report on options and
> >> >>> >possibilities at the upcoming BLAST conference. I'll put some
effort
> >> >>> >into
> >> >>> >this. If you have comments, alternative techniques, and data to
> >> share,
> >> >>> >please be in touch with me.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >>> >From: vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:
> >> vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> >>> >On
> >> >>> >Behalf Of Charlie Richardson
> >> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:03 PM
> >> >>> >To: Vendor Talk Mailing List
> >> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Then why are you continuing it here?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> >From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
> >> >>> >To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:04 PM
> >> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > Tha's just it. He really does not. But that is a topic for
> >> another
> >> >>> > > list.
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > Loren Wakefield
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr.
Forress
> >> C.
> >> >>> > > Shaklee
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> >> >>> > > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:36 AM
> >> >>> > > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > >> What does that have to do with anything and he admits he is
> >> legally
> >> >>> > >> blind.
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >> Cheryl Echevarria
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > >> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
> >> >>> > >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:35 AM
> >> >>> > >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >>
> >> >>> > >>> The Governor has to admit to being blind first.
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> Loren Wakefield
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr.
> >> Forress
> >> >>> > >>> C.
> >> >>> > >>> Shaklee
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > >>> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
> >> >>> > >>> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:42 PM
> >> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>>
> >> >>> > >>> > It's not a talking verifier, but a talking handheld
terminal.
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> > When I
> >> >>> > >>> > showed
> >> >>> > >>> > this story from G-Tech's website to our state senator who
is
> >> the
> >> >>> > >>> > chair
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> > of
> >> >>> > >>> > the racing and wagering committee, he wondered why a small
>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > country
> >> >>> > >>> > like
> >> >>> > >>> > Spain is using this technology when no one in the U.S. is.
In
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> > short
> >> >>> > >>> > it
> >> >>> > >>> > seems like no one asked the right person, hopefully by
having
> >> a >
> >> >>> >>> > blind
> >> >>> > >>> > governor in New York has brought awareness. This fact was
>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > brought up
> >> >>> > >>> > at
> >> >>> > >>> > the
> >> >>> > >>> > meeting with the director of lottery. Again, I say, we'll
> >> see. >
> >> >>> >>> > The
> >> >>> > >>> > following link takes you to a 2002 press release.
> >> >>> > >>> > http://www.gtech.com/news/2002news/1223.asp
> >> >>> > >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > >>> > From: "important" <eloheem11 at verizon.net>
> >> >>> > >>> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > >>> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:52 PM
> >> >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> >> Wow, those numbers are outstanding I'm wondering what is
the
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> >> customer
> >> >>> > >>> >> base
> >> >>> > >>> >> just for the lottery in comparison to other product? and
do
> >> you
> >> >>> > >>> >> have
> >> >>> > >>> >> a
> >> >>> > >>> >> web
> >> >>> > >>> >> site for that accessible or talking hand held ticket
> >> verifier?
> >> >>> > >>> >> Regards
> >> >>> > >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > >>> >> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
> >> >>> > >>> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > >>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:42 PM
> >> >>> > >>> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >>> >>
> >> >>> > >>> >>
> >> >>> > >>> >>> In New York there are several, over 20, vendors who sell
>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>> lottery
> >> >>> > >>> >>> tickets.
> >> >>> > >>> >>> Some have employees, some don't. The issue with the
> >> terminals
> >> >>> > >>> >>> being
> >> >>> > >>> >>> accessible is being looked into as the company G-tech
that
> >> is >
> >> >>> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> > >>> >>> provider has hand held talking terminals they supplied
Spain
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> >>> with
> >> >>> > >>> >>> since
> >> >>> > >>> >>> the lottery business in Spain is only sold by blind
people.
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> >>> The RFP
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> >>> for
> >> >>> > >>> >>> their new contract is suppose to require non-visual
access.
> >> >
> >> >>> >>> >>> I'll
> >> >>> > >>> >>> know
> >> >>> > >>> >>> more soon.
> >> >>> > >>> >>>
> >> >>> > >>> >>> Other than that there are no restrictions and some do
> >> believe >
> >> >>> >>> >>> since
> >> >>> > >>> >>> you
> >> >>> > >>> >>> only make 6 cents on a dollar it's not worth it, but like
> >> >>> > >>> >>> snowflakes,
> >> >>> > >>> >>> eventually it's enough to shovel and I believe the
average >
> >> >>> >>> >>> agent in
> >> >>> > >>> >>> New
> >> >>> > >>> >>> York is doing between 400,000 and 500,000 per year in
sales.
> >> I
> >> >>> > >>> >>> know
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> >>> of
> >> >>> > >>> >>> at least 2 in our program that do near a million a year
in >
> >> >>> >>> >>> sales.
> >> >>> > >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > >>> >>> From: "Harlon Cowsar II" <deucehc at gmail.com>
> >> >>> > >>> >>> To: <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> > >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:54 PM
> >> >>> > >>> >>> Subject: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
> >> >>> > >>> >>>
> >> >>> > >>> >>>
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Hello,
> >> >>> > >>> >>>>
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> I am a vender in training and was wondering if there
is >
> >> >>> >>> >>>> anyone
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> out
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> there
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> who can give me some information about RS Venders and
the
> >> sale
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> of
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> lottery
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets. If there are any venders out there who are
working
> >> in
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> states
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> that
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> participate in lotteries please try to answer some of my
>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> inquiries.
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Are RS Venders allowed to participate as venders of
> >> lottery
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets?
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> If
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> not, then why? Are there specific restrictions that
> >> proclude >
> >> >>> >>> >>>> RS
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Venders
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> from
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> selling lottery tickets? Are there particular
restrictions
> >> in
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> state
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> and
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> federal buildings that prevent the sale of lottery
tickets?
> >> Do
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> most
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> venders
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> just not choose to sell lottery tickets because of > >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> difficulties
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> with
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> the
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> equipment or because it is more trouble than it is
really >
> >> >>> >>> >>>> worth?
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> I would greatly appreciate any information that anyone
> >> might
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> be
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> able
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> to
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> offer me regarding these questions.
> >> >>> > >>> >>>>
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Thanks,
> >> >>> > >>> >>>> Harlon
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> >>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:10:46 -0500
From: Lou Burton <lburton at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [vendtalk] new money
To: Vendor Talk Mailing List <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
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all they have done is to vary the size and that cause more prolbems
then is needed.
Later, Lou
At 14, 53 1/31/2009, you wrote:
>I think they should check with other countries that have done it
>already rather than reinventing the wheel.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Burton" <lburton at nc.rr.com>
>To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [vendtalk] new money
>
>
>>A very simple way to change the money could be done without
>>changing size or shape, and would also not fiddle with vending machine
access.
>>
>>Take a bill, lay it down face up, diagonally cut the upper right
>>corner at a 45 degree angle, this orients the bill.
>>A five would have a hole punched in the upper left hand corner, a
>>ten would have a hole punched in the lower left corner, a 20 would
>>have a hole punched in the lower right corner;
>>a fifty would have holes punched in both upper left and lower left
>>as five tens equaling 50, and a one hundred would have holes
>>punched in the upper left and lower right as in 5 20s equaling 100,
>>and of course the one would only have the orienting 45 degree cut
>>in the upper right corner.
>>
>>Exsisting currency could be modified at the treasury as bills go
>>through circulation, that is as the banks send them in for deposits
>>with the feds, and all new currency could be modified when made,
>>and before long, all the bills in circulation would be of the new
>>modifications.
>>
>>And just think, we would not have to hire some one to format the
>>darn bills for deposit with our banks.
>>
>>Being a vendor myself, i don't think that these modifications would
>>bother the bill validaters at all.
>>
>>What yall think?
>>At 07, 21 1/30/2009, you wrote:
>>>This is a very interesting subject for many reasons but, forgoing any
other
>>>talk about discrimination or equal access, it does present many complex
>>>problems.
>>> Just consider for a moment the cost that this kind of currency change
>>>might burden venders or the RS Program with. What about the vending
>>>machines? If the size or shape of the currency is changed to accomodate
the
>>>blind in the community, then all of the vending machines have to be
modified
>>>to accept these new bills. If the machines are not modified, then venders
>>>stand the chance of losing income because patrons might not have correct
>>>change and might, therefore, not have access to the vending machines.
>>> In any case, I think that this is a very long way away. Even if the
>>>treasury does decide that it would be appropriate to change the currency,
>>>then they have a great deal of work to do in replacing the currency that
now
>>>exists. The cost of doing this would be incredible and it would probably
>>>take many years to gradually filter the old money out and the new money
in.
>>>My best advice is to buy a currency identifier, sit back, and enjoy the
>>>show.
>>>
>>>On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Charlie Richardson <
>>>charlieofalbany at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > This could happen, but in all vending facilities, or at least
>>> it could > or
>>> > should be, a note teller in them. That way you know what
>>> currency > people
>>> > are handing you. There is also a certain amount of trust in
>>> our > customers
>>> > as this is a bit different from businesses on the street. I
>>> see the > same
>>> > customer sometime 4 or 5 times a day. So we are more a part of a
>>>community.
>>> > So the chances of cheating are less.
>>> >
>>> > As far as the lawsuit, the Department of the Treasury lost
>>> their case > last
>>> > May and I have not heard of another appeal, so they are
>>> probably in > process
>>> > of looking into an acceptable change of currency that will work for
>>> > businesses and the blind that brought the lawsuit.
>>> >
>>> > I think the NFB's position has been misunderstood as it is in
>>> many > other
>>> > cases. I have seen quotes and was quoted myself by Associated
>>> Press > that
>>> > the change isn't the problem, but the fact that it was brought on as a
>>> > discrimination case. My opinion would be that blind people being
>>>denied the
>>> > use of money would be discrimination. One of the judges was quoted as
>>> > saying, just because the blind can use money is like saying a
>>>person using a
>>> > wheelchair can drag themselves and their chair up stairs rather
>>>than using a
>>> > ramp. This is like comparing apples to oranges.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, arguing about it solves nothing because the case hasn't been
>>> > appealed as far as I know.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl echevarria" <
>>> > cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:52 PM
>>> > Subject: [vendtalk] new money
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I have a question, one day this week a new tv was on I don't watch
it
>>> >> but the others at work have. The show is called what would you
>>>do. and in
>>> >> a segment, had an actor blinding a blind person who was buying
>>>something in
>>> >> a bakery and the merchant purposely who was also another
>>> action cheat >> the
>>> >> blind person, to see if people would react it the situation
>>> and help >> the
>>> >> blind person out. To me we go shopping at the time without
>>> any help >> like
>>> >> myself and if I am going to a merchant that I go to all the
>>>time, I usually
>>> >> don't worry about it. And I don't think they should have done this
>>> >> anything.
>>> >>
>>> >> But it was brought up again that the federal government is
>>> changing >> our
>>> >> money. I mentioned again to the people at work who I was having a
>>> >> conversation with that first of all I am my NFB family, just look at
>>> >> blindness as a nusuance. But they started insisting that we
>>>should fight to
>>> >> get money that we can use. I said why, we have been using
>>> money since >> it
>>> >> has been created now. They kept insisting that is happening now.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is this true that the government is changing I haven't heard
>>> nothing >> was
>>> >> posted on the lists or in the braille monitor.
>>> >>
>>> >> I want to show these people who are the ones that they now
>>> what is >> best
>>> >> for blind people what is going on if there is any updates.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews"
<dandrews at visi.com>
>>> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:30 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Kevan:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You wrote "the Worley Blind Union." Is that a "Freudian slip???!!!"
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dave
>>> >>>
>>> >>> At 10:07 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:
>>> >>> >Greetings colleagues,
>>> >>> >I have enjoyed the back and forth relative to lottery. Well,
>>> most of >>> >it.
>>> >>> >It
>>> >>> >would be really good if we could keep our eyes on the prize here. I
>>> >>> >think
>>> >>> >that, given the interest I've seen on the list, as well as
>>> from some >>> >of
>>> >>> >the
>>> >>> >calls I've received, the National Association of Blind
>>> Merchants >>> >should
>>> >>> >work
>>> >>> >with some folks and explore the very best way we can access lottery
>>> >>> >technologies. Dr. Maurer and Dr. Schroeder are very active at the
>>> >>> >highest
>>> >>> >levels of the Worley Blind Union. I will ask them to
>>> investigate >>> >what
>>> >>> >the
>>> >>> >Ansai folks are doing in Spain. I know that Charlie Richardson is
>>> >>> >continuing
>>> >>> >his follow up. Perhaps we can have a full report on options and
>>> >>> >possibilities at the upcoming BLAST conference. I'll put some
effort
>>> >>> >into
>>> >>> >this. If you have comments, alternative techniques, and data
>>> to >>> >share,
>>> >>> >please be in touch with me.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >>> >From:
>>> vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> >[mailto:vendtalk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>> >On
>>> >>> >Behalf Of Charlie Richardson
>>> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:03 PM
>>> >>> >To: Vendor Talk Mailing List
>>> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >Then why are you continuing it here?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> >From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>>> >>> >To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:04 PM
>>> >>> >Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > Tha's just it. He really does not. But that is a topic
>>> for >>> > > another
>>> >>> > > list.
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > Loren Wakefield
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > "The best way to predict your Future is to create it."
>>> Dr. >>> > > Forress C.
>>> >>> > > Shaklee
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> >>> > > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:36 AM
>>> >>> > > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >> What does that have to do with anything and he admits he
>>> is >>> > >> legally
>>> >>> > >> blind.
>>> >>> > >>
>>> >>> > >> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> >>> > >>
>>> >>> > >>
>>> >>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > >> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>>> >>> > >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:35 AM
>>> >>> > >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >>
>>> >>> > >>
>>> >>> > >>> The Governor has to admit to being blind first.
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> Loren Wakefield
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> "The best way to predict your Future is to create it."
>>> Dr. >>> > >>> Forress
>>> >>> > >>> C.
>>> >>> > >>> Shaklee
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > >>> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>>> >>> > >>> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:42 PM
>>> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > >>> > It's not a talking verifier, but a talking handheld
>>> terminal. >>> > >>> > >
>>> >>> >>> > When I
>>> >>> > >>> > showed
>>> >>> > >>> > this story from G-Tech's website to our state senator
>>> who is >>> > >>> > the
>>> >>> > >>> > chair
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> > of
>>> >>> > >>> > the racing and wagering committee, he wondered why a
>>> small > >>> > >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > country
>>> >>> > >>> > like
>>> >>> > >>> > Spain is using this technology when no one in the
>>> U.S. is. >>> > >>> > In >
>>> >>> >>> > short
>>> >>> > >>> > it
>>> >>> > >>> > seems like no one asked the right person, hopefully
>>> by having >>> > >>> > a >
>>> >>> >>> > blind
>>> >>> > >>> > governor in New York has brought awareness. This
>>> fact was > >>> > >>> > >>>
>>> >>> > brought up
>>> >>> > >>> > at
>>> >>> > >>> > the
>>> >>> > >>> > meeting with the director of lottery. Again, I say,
>>> we'll >>> > >>> > see. >
>>> >>> >>> > The
>>> >>> > >>> > following link takes you to a 2002 press release.
>>> >>> > >>> > http://www.gtech.com/news/2002news/1223.asp
>>> >>> > >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > >>> > From: "important" <eloheem11 at verizon.net>
>>> >>> > >>> > To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > >>> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:52 PM
>>> >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> >> Wow, those numbers are outstanding I'm wondering
>>> what is the >>> > >>> >> >
>>> >>> >>> >> customer
>>> >>> > >>> >> base
>>> >>> > >>> >> just for the lottery in comparison to other product?
>>> and do >>> > >>> >> you
>>> >>> > >>> >> have
>>> >>> > >>> >> a
>>> >>> > >>> >> web
>>> >>> > >>> >> site for that accessible or talking hand held
>>> ticket >>> > >>> >> verifier?
>>> >>> > >>> >> Regards
>>> >>> > >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > >>> >> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>>> >>> > >>> >> To: "Vendor Talk Mailing List" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > >>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:42 PM
>>> >>> > >>> >> Subject: Re: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >>> >>
>>> >>> > >>> >>
>>> >>> > >>> >>> In New York there are several, over 20, vendors who
>>> sell > >>> > >>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> lottery
>>> >>> > >>> >>> tickets.
>>> >>> > >>> >>> Some have employees, some don't. The issue with
>>> the >>> > >>> >>> terminals
>>> >>> > >>> >>> being
>>> >>> > >>> >>> accessible is being looked into as the company
>>> G-tech that >>> > >>> >>> is >
>>> >>> >>> >>> the
>>> >>> > >>> >>> provider has hand held talking terminals they
>>> supplied >>> > >>> >>> Spain >
>>> >>> >>> >>> with
>>> >>> > >>> >>> since
>>> >>> > >>> >>> the lottery business in Spain is only sold by blind
>>> people. >>> > >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>> The RFP
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> >>> for
>>> >>> > >>> >>> their new contract is suppose to require non-visual
>>> access. >>> > >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>> I'll
>>> >>> > >>> >>> know
>>> >>> > >>> >>> more soon.
>>> >>> > >>> >>>
>>> >>> > >>> >>> Other than that there are no restrictions and some
>>> do >>> > >>> >>> believe >
>>> >>> >>> >>> since
>>> >>> > >>> >>> you
>>> >>> > >>> >>> only make 6 cents on a dollar it's not worth it, but like
>>> >>> > >>> >>> snowflakes,
>>> >>> > >>> >>> eventually it's enough to shovel and I believe the
>>> average >>> > >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>> agent in
>>> >>> > >>> >>> New
>>> >>> > >>> >>> York is doing between 400,000 and 500,000 per year
>>> in >>> > >>> >>> sales. I
>>> >>> > >>> >>> know
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> >>> of
>>> >>> > >>> >>> at least 2 in our program that do near a million a
>>> year in >>> > >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>> sales.
>>> >>> > >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > >>> >>> From: "Harlon Cowsar II" <deucehc at gmail.com>
>>> >>> > >>> >>> To: <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:54 PM
>>> >>> > >>> >>> Subject: [vendtalk] lottery question for venders
>>> >>> > >>> >>>
>>> >>> > >>> >>>
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> Hello,
>>> >>> > >>> >>>>
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> I am a vender in training and was wondering if
>>> there is >>> > >>> >>>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>>> anyone
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> out
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> there
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> who can give me some information about RS Venders
>>> and the >>> > >>> >>>> sale
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> of
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> lottery
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets. If there are any venders out there who
>>> are >>> > >>> >>>> working in
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> states
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> that
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> participate in lotteries please try to answer some
>>> of my > >>> > >>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>> inquiries.
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> Are RS Venders allowed to participate as venders
>>> of >>> > >>> >>>> lottery
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> tickets?
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> If
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> not, then why? Are there specific restrictions
>>> that >>> > >>> >>>> proclude >
>>> >>> >>> >>>> RS
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> Venders
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> from
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> selling lottery tickets? Are there particular
>>> restrictions >>> > >>> >>>> in
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> state
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> and
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> federal buildings that prevent the sale of
>>> lottery >>> > >>> >>>> tickets? Do
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> most
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> venders
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> just not choose to sell lottery tickets because
>>> of > >>> >>> > >>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>> difficulties
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> with
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> the
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> equipment or because it is more trouble than it is
>>> really >>> > >>> >>>> >
>>> >>> >>> >>>> worth?
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> I would greatly appreciate any information that
>>> anyone >>> > >>> >>>> might
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> be
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> able
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> to
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> offer me regarding these questions.
>>> >>> > >>> >>>>
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> Thanks,
>>> >>> > >>> >>>> Harlon
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 23:32:19 -0600
From: "Vandervoorts" <vandervoorts at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [vendtalk] New Money
To: "'Vendor Talk Mailing List'" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
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I enjoy the intellectual discussion on US currency change and I think it is
a good subject to discuss in this forum since it affects all blind vendors.
I have just returned home having spent time at the NFB HQ this weekend.
While there for other reasons, the subject of currency changes did come up.
I left with a much clearer understanding, at least in my own mind. Here are
some things I found out, knew, or have participated in over the last 7
months or so -
1. Charlie Richardson is right, and others, too, that currency change is not
the biggest problem facing the blind, and probably not in the top 20, or 50.
It would have been better if the government had spent the money and time on
solving any number of other problems that face the blind.
2. No one wants to make expensive changes in their vending business right
now that would divert resources and capital away from immediate income-
producing and customer satisfaction needs, especially when currency change
is not so urgent and the benefit not so necessary for life to continue.
3. As others stated, the US Treasury Department did not try to appeal the
decision to the Supreme Court, and, so, change will come - someday, somehow.
Since it was a court-ordered change, there is no option for the government
other than to do something. The court probably will make the decision as to
whether the proposed change satisfies its order.
4. It is better for us to provide inputs (via the NFB or even directly to
the Bureau of Engraving) into the evaluation and decision making process at
this point so we do have a voice in whatever happens to us all. (I do not
know if they have concluded anything yet. I have not heard that they have
proposed any solution or even performed any field trials. If anyone knows,
I would love to learn about it.)
5. Beginning at the NFB National Convention, Mary and I, as did some
others, provided inputs to the Bureau of Engraving via various evaluations
including with foreign currency, manual dexterity testing, eye testing,
varied discussions, and surveys. They had said they wanted to see what
works, with whom, and why, and to include as many people and eye problems as
possible. We were evaluated separately (not jointly) with separate
follow-ups. The effort was spread over a number of months.
Here is some feedback on what we did and heard:
a. Almost every foreign currency that has included blind needs has been
extensively investigated as a potential for use in the US, which has its own
requirements and needs, particularly with high tech devices of every type.
We were tested with a variety of different, existing currencies including
Canadian, Australian, British, the Euro, Swiss, and others. We were also
tested with some new, potential solutions.
b. The legal requirements seem to include the needs of low-vision through
totally blind populations. That spans the whole spectrum of those with
every eye condition and capability and disability, not just for the totally
blind.
c. The Bureau is extremely mindful of all of the needs for currency users
and handling - whether used in retail transactions, commercial business,
private transactions, entertainment venues & casinos, ATM's and vending
machines, bill changers, processing by high volume currency handling
businesses, issues raised by equipment makers, the Bureau's own currency
printing processes and papers, concerns about all types of storage,
counting, and on and on.
d. Rarely, has the Bureau ever faced such a monumental challenge of
effecting some change with the least amount of intrusion, change, and costs
to such a wide spectrum of stakeholders and users. It is a really tough nut
to address and solve some people's needs without adversely affecting someone
else's. They would like to make everyone happy with one solution but doubt
that will happen.
e. We were lead to believe, that with whatever change is implemented, it
will include multiple strategies to insure the broadest ability to be
recognized by as many people as possible, regardless of the medical
condition or ability. So, any bill will contain at least one very large
denomination number; there will be high contrast features and probably use
different colors; the bills will have a different look between denominations
(so if a sighted person, you do not have to be able to read or read English
to know what it is); there will be the ability for the totally blind to
recognize the denomination and the bill's orientation, and the bill will
contain multiple anti-counterfeit measures.
f. The Bureau has looked into multiple solutions for cheap currency
detectors and the associated changes needed in currency that would allow
really cheap devices, as well as the related economics and problems relating
to counterfeiting the new bills. Existing currency does not lend itself to
really cheap detectors that could be given away and still work reliably.
g. They are highly concerned about the rate of change-over in the currency
and the cost of it all, regardless of which final solution is approved.
They are also concerned about the longevity or life of any new currency
bill.
h. Congress has stated that their will be currency - that the US will not go
to an all electronic money environment. So, paper of some sort is here to
stay for a long time. And yes, they have done a lot of looking at plastic
papers used by some other countries, and embedding "chips or tags' in them,
also. They have looked at ideas about corner cuts, holes, raised dots
(Braille coded and non-Braille coded), and so on. If you have an idea, why
not forward it on to them?
i. FYI - American currency has changed in design, size, and color over the
years, but not since high tech devices have been around. Currency has been
phased out, and in, before, even in my own lifetime. (Some of you are
obviously older than others - ha! I am old enough to have witnessed the
change in the American flag to accommodate two new states and the changes in
the Pledge of Allegiance.)
In conclusion, there will be some change, one day or another.
And yes, I bet there will be some who will welcome and embrace the change,
some will curse it, some will not care one way or the other, but the
currency will change, nonetheless. I just hope we, as vendors, can afford
it. With any change, I hope there is some positive way we can exploit the
change to improve our businesses. In any event, I do hope whatever change
there is, that all those who are low vision or visually impaired and the
blind, will all find their lives changed for the better, at least in some
small way.
Mike Vandervoort
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 05:44:08 -0600
From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [vendtalk] New Money
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I do have to wonder if all this is pointless! Yes, congress may say that
there will always be currency. But many trends say otherwise.
Already we do something like 97 percent of our transactions without the use
of actual money. We use checks, or debbit or credit cards, or even
electronic funds transfer. And as more countries become unified in their
currency in one form or another, I have to wonder how much longer actual
money will be around?
One can ad to this the notion of government that it must track all
transactions for whatever reason, and you can see why they would not want
actual money out there. (I am not saying I agree with big brother on this
issue.)
The generation coming up that my wife and I have helped to raise, really
does not use money. If they cannot use a debbit card, then they do not buy
there. Studies have shown this to be true. Also, even in our own vending
industry, studies show that where cards can be used, sales go up.
The cost of the switchover will be expensive. And yes, our currency will
change with or without this court order. But along with the many reason
stated on this list and others, I have to wonder if the cashless society is
another reason that this court case is just another frivolous use of the
courts by our custodial friends from across the aisle?
Loren Wakefield
"The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr. Forress C.
Shaklee
www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
319-433-0145 866-433-3969
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From: "Vandervoorts" <vandervoorts at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Vendor Talk Mailing List'" <vendtalk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:32 PM
Subject: [vendtalk] New Money
>I enjoy the intellectual discussion on US currency change and I think it is
> a good subject to discuss in this forum since it affects all blind
> vendors.
>
> I have just returned home having spent time at the NFB HQ this weekend.
> While there for other reasons, the subject of currency changes did come
> up.
> I left with a much clearer understanding, at least in my own mind. Here
> are
> some things I found out, knew, or have participated in over the last 7
> months or so -
>
> 1. Charlie Richardson is right, and others, too, that currency change is
> not
> the biggest problem facing the blind, and probably not in the top 20, or
> 50.
> It would have been better if the government had spent the money and time
> on
> solving any number of other problems that face the blind.
>
> 2. No one wants to make expensive changes in their vending business right
> now that would divert resources and capital away from immediate income-
> producing and customer satisfaction needs, especially when currency change
> is not so urgent and the benefit not so necessary for life to continue.
>
> 3. As others stated, the US Treasury Department did not try to appeal the
> decision to the Supreme Court, and, so, change will come - someday,
> somehow.
> Since it was a court-ordered change, there is no option for the government
> other than to do something. The court probably will make the decision as
> to
> whether the proposed change satisfies its order.
>
> 4. It is better for us to provide inputs (via the NFB or even directly to
> the Bureau of Engraving) into the evaluation and decision making process
> at
> this point so we do have a voice in whatever happens to us all. (I do not
> know if they have concluded anything yet. I have not heard that they have
> proposed any solution or even performed any field trials. If anyone
> knows,
> I would love to learn about it.)
>
> 5. Beginning at the NFB National Convention, Mary and I, as did some
> others, provided inputs to the Bureau of Engraving via various evaluations
> including with foreign currency, manual dexterity testing, eye testing,
> varied discussions, and surveys. They had said they wanted to see what
> works, with whom, and why, and to include as many people and eye problems
> as
> possible. We were evaluated separately (not jointly) with separate
> follow-ups. The effort was spread over a number of months.
>
> Here is some feedback on what we did and heard:
>
> a. Almost every foreign currency that has included blind needs has been
> extensively investigated as a potential for use in the US, which has its
> own
> requirements and needs, particularly with high tech devices of every type.
> We were tested with a variety of different, existing currencies including
> Canadian, Australian, British, the Euro, Swiss, and others. We were also
> tested with some new, potential solutions.
>
> b. The legal requirements seem to include the needs of low-vision through
> totally blind populations. That spans the whole spectrum of those with
> every eye condition and capability and disability, not just for the
> totally
> blind.
>
> c. The Bureau is extremely mindful of all of the needs for currency users
> and handling - whether used in retail transactions, commercial business,
> private transactions, entertainment venues & casinos, ATM's and vending
> machines, bill changers, processing by high volume currency handling
> businesses, issues raised by equipment makers, the Bureau's own currency
> printing processes and papers, concerns about all types of storage,
> counting, and on and on.
>
> d. Rarely, has the Bureau ever faced such a monumental challenge of
> effecting some change with the least amount of intrusion, change, and
> costs
> to such a wide spectrum of stakeholders and users. It is a really tough
> nut
> to address and solve some people's needs without adversely affecting
> someone
> else's. They would like to make everyone happy with one solution but
> doubt
> that will happen.
>
> e. We were lead to believe, that with whatever change is implemented, it
> will include multiple strategies to insure the broadest ability to be
> recognized by as many people as possible, regardless of the medical
> condition or ability. So, any bill will contain at least one very large
> denomination number; there will be high contrast features and probably use
> different colors; the bills will have a different look between
> denominations
> (so if a sighted person, you do not have to be able to read or read
> English
> to know what it is); there will be the ability for the totally blind to
> recognize the denomination and the bill's orientation, and the bill will
> contain multiple anti-counterfeit measures.
>
> f. The Bureau has looked into multiple solutions for cheap currency
> detectors and the associated changes needed in currency that would allow
> really cheap devices, as well as the related economics and problems
> relating
> to counterfeiting the new bills. Existing currency does not lend itself
> to
> really cheap detectors that could be given away and still work reliably.
>
> g. They are highly concerned about the rate of change-over in the currency
> and the cost of it all, regardless of which final solution is approved.
> They are also concerned about the longevity or life of any new currency
> bill.
>
> h. Congress has stated that their will be currency - that the US will not
> go
> to an all electronic money environment. So, paper of some sort is here to
> stay for a long time. And yes, they have done a lot of looking at plastic
> papers used by some other countries, and embedding "chips or tags' in
> them,
> also. They have looked at ideas about corner cuts, holes, raised dots
> (Braille coded and non-Braille coded), and so on. If you have an idea,
> why
> not forward it on to them?
>
> i. FYI - American currency has changed in design, size, and color over the
> years, but not since high tech devices have been around. Currency has
> been
> phased out, and in, before, even in my own lifetime. (Some of you are
> obviously older than others - ha! I am old enough to have witnessed the
> change in the American flag to accommodate two new states and the changes
> in
> the Pledge of Allegiance.)
>
> In conclusion, there will be some change, one day or another.
>
> And yes, I bet there will be some who will welcome and embrace the change,
> some will curse it, some will not care one way or the other, but the
> currency will change, nonetheless. I just hope we, as vendors, can afford
> it. With any change, I hope there is some positive way we can exploit the
> change to improve our businesses. In any event, I do hope whatever change
> there is, that all those who are low vision or visually impaired and the
> blind, will all find their lives changed for the better, at least in some
> small way.
>
> Mike Vandervoort
>
>
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