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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you, Emily, I do appreciate the explanation and the videos. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So glad I asked on list. Thank you for myth busting for me and probably others as well on list to shy to ask, smile.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Becky <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> NFBP-Talk <nfbp-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Emily W. Gindlesperger via NFBP-Talk<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'NFB of Pennsylvania Talk, state list' <nfbp-talk@nfbnet.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Emily W. Gindlesperger <skewbdobdo@verizon.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBP-Talk] FW: LAST CALL: UEB Public Forum Written CommentPeriod EXTENDED<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>As Joe pointed out, some claim UEB math is good because it reflects the visual math equation better – but the point is not to make the braille look like the print, the goal is to make the braille understandable to the user.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Even the teacher teaching the UEB math class at Pitt (and she wrote the book) admitted that the code is really only good up to fourth grade math. At this point, other ambiguous modifiers or symbols – whatever they would like to call them – are added in. At the level of calculus, the Nemeth symbol is only 2 cells I believe, while the UEB math is call an unknown written symbol and is 6 or 7 cells long. This lack of clarity would end up being far too confusing and limit the students ability to go further in math or science – it would not be their own intelligence stopping them but the access code. An UEB math equation can average 20-80% longer than a Nemeth equation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Also, here is a link to an equation editor. The sighted teacher, parent or aide can type in the math equation in the top and it is automatically translated into Nemeth code. There is a visually Nemeth code display at the bottom and the equation is sent to the students refreshable braille display immediately. This is not possible with UEB math.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="http://accessibility.pearson.com/aee/">http://accessibility.pearson.com/aee/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Also, on youtube there is a wonderful video of a Nemth UEB comparison done by an actual math teacher who learned the braille codes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZaG4mzW0OI&t=31s">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZaG4mzW0OI&t=31s</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> NFBP-Talk <<a href="mailto:nfbp-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfbp-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Josh Kennedy via NFBP-Talk<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 30, 2018 10:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> NFB of Pennsylvania Talk, state list <<a href="mailto:nfbp-talk@nfbnet.org">nfbp-talk@nfbnet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Josh Kennedy <<a href="mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com">joshknnd1982@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBP-Talk] FW: LAST CALL: UEB Public Forum Written CommentPeriod EXTENDED<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, for math, nemeth works the best especially on the new orbit reader 20 low cost display. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:nfbp-talk@nfbnet.org">Drenth, Joe via NFBP-Talk</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, May 30, 2018 10:44<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:nfbp-talk@nfbnet.org">NFB of Pennsylvania Talk, state list</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:Joe.Drenth@JBTC.COM">Drenth, Joe</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NFBP-Talk] FW: LAST CALL: UEB Public Forum Written CommentPeriod EXTENDED<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Becky,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It is actually quite the opposite: The Nemeth Code was designed to optimize performance of students in STEM fields, since the literary codes (EBAE and UEB) are too clumsy and too inefficient to use when solving problems using braille, either by hand with a Perkins-style Braille writer or using an electronic refreshable Braille display.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Sighted teachers of the visually impaired and certain Dept. of Ed. Administrators say that UEB for math represents the printed math more closely and therefore should be used, but that does not help a student in the least when trying to solve a problem that already takes up so much space.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>There are many, many reasons why we should continue to encourage the use of the specialized Nemeth Code for Math and Science Content, and the Braille Authority of North America promotes it for this use, as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Joseph Drenth <br>Senior R&D Software Engineer <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>JBT Corporation | Automated Systems <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>400 Highpoint Drive <br>Chalfont, PA 18914, USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>E: </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:joe.drenth@jbtc.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>joe.drenth@jbtc.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> P: 215 822 4457<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.jbtc-agv.com/"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>www.jbtc-agv.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> NFBP-Talk [<a href="mailto:nfbp-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org">mailto:nfbp-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Becky Frankeberger via NFBP-Talk<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 30, 2018 10:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'NFB of Pennsylvania Talk, state list'<br><b>Cc:</b> Becky Frankeberger<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFBP-Talk] FW: LAST CALL: UEB Public Forum Written Comment Period EXTENDED<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Please correct me if I misunderstood something. As I understand you can’t use the <span style='color:#1F497D'>Nemeth Code and excell in the STEM Courses. The Nemeth Code actually hurts a young person’s progress in this field of study. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>We are about to build a high school with the emphasis on STEM near my home. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Warmly,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Becky who wants to understand </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> NFBP-Talk <<a href="mailto:nfbp-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfbp-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Drenth, Joe via NFBP-Talk<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nfbp-talk@nfbnet.org">nfbp-talk@nfbnet.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Drenth, Joe <<a href="mailto:Joe.Drenth@JBTC.COM">Joe.Drenth@JBTC.COM</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [NFBP-Talk] FW: LAST CALL: UEB Public Forum Written Comment Period EXTENDED<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hello everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If you are not aware of the situation, the Pennsylvania Department of Education, Bureau of Special Education is trying very hard to get rid of the Nemeth Code for Math and Science Content in Pennsylvania and replace it with the vastly inferior UEB math notation. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The Bureau of Special Education is currently taking public input for a very short time on the matter of replacing the Nemeth Code with UEB math notation, so if you feel strongly about this issue, as I do, please submit your comments electronically by this Friday at noon by following the instructions in the email below.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thank you very much,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Joe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Joe Drenth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>First Vice-President, NFB of Pennsylvania<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Lynn Fox [<a href="mailto:LFox@pattanpgh.net"><span style='color:#0563C1'>mailto:LFox@pattanpgh.net</span></a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 29, 2018 3:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> Lynn Fox <<a href="mailto:LFox@pattanpgh.net"><span style='color:#0563C1'>LFox@pattanpgh.net</span></a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Jennifer Edgar <<a href="mailto:jedgar@pattankop.net"><span style='color:#0563C1'>jedgar@pattankop.net</span></a>>; Doug Williams <<a href="mailto:dwilliams@pattan.net"><span style='color:#0563C1'>dwilliams@pattan.net</span></a>>; Natalie Sokol <<a href="mailto:nSokol@pattan.net"><span style='color:#0563C1'>nSokol@pattan.net</span></a>>; Gombocz, John <<a href="mailto:jgombocz@pa.gov"><span style='color:#0563C1'>jgombocz@pa.gov</span></a>>; Becky (Rebecca) Fogle <<a href="mailto:RFogle@pattankop.net"><span style='color:#0563C1'>RFogle@pattankop.net</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> LAST CALL: UEB Public Forum Written Comment Period EXTENDED<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hello Vision Supervisors, Professionals, and Families ---</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>The Bureau of Special Education’s (BSE) <i>Public Forum on Pennsylvania's Unified English Braille (UEB) Implementation for Math and Technical Content</i> period to submit written comment has been extended. Interested stakeholders now have till Friday, June 1, 2018 at 12:00pm to submit their responses to the three questions purposed for input. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:red'>Please forward this extension notice onto ALL stakeholders in your network -- vision professionals/colleagues, material specialists, IU/LEA supervisors, and students with visual impairments and their families. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Your immediate attention is requested to help spread the word regarding this extension announcement and <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>to encourage stakeholder participation.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>In preparation to submit individual comments, Pennsylvania (PA) stakeholders should review the posted 20 minute video regarding the Unified English Braille (UEB) transition plan as well as the attached Penn Link regarding the opportunity to submit written comments. These resources are posted to the PaTTAN website at:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.pattan.net/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.pattan.net</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'>Educational Initiatives<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'>Blind/Visual Impairment<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'>Featured Resources<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'>BVI/Braille Forum: Stakeholder Feedback<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Written comments pertaining to which braille code or codes Pennsylvania students will use for braille math and technical materials in the future maybe submitted by email to </span><a href="mailto:ra-edbvibraille@pa.gov"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ra-edbvibraille@pa.gov</span></a>, based on the following three questions under consideration: <span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>What would be the impact of using <span class=caps><b><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>UEB</span></b></span> for math and technical materials?<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline'>What would be the impact of using <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Nemeth Code with </span></strong><span class=caps><b><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>UEB</span></b></span> for math and technical materials?<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='line-height:16.5pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline'>What would be the impact if Pennsylvania continued to support both <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>full </span></strong><span class=caps><b><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>UEB</span></b></span> and the <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Nemeth Code with </span></strong><span class=caps><b><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>UEB</span></b></span> for math and technical materials?<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thank you for your interest and timely responses. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Kind regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Lynn <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Lynn A. 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