[NFBV-Potomac-Announce] Tuesday's Book Club

Nancy Yeager nancyyeager542 at comcast.net
Sun Nov 12 10:57:51 UTC 2017

The Potomac Chapter book club will meet at John and Sandy's home: 810 22nd
street South, Arlington, Virginia 22202 on Tuesday November 14 at 7:00 pm.



The book is Hillbilly Elegy.



I will send out a dinner menu soon.



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Here are some questions.





Suggested Discussion Questions for J.D. Vance's Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of
a Family and Culture in Crisis 


1. In his introduction to Hillbilly Elegy, Vance writes, "I want people to
understand what happens in the lives of the poor and the psychological


that spiritual and material poverty has on their children" (p. 2) and states
that for the people of Appalachia-the people with whom he


is a family tradition" (p. 3). Certainly poverty is a nationwide epidemic,
but why does Vance feel the cycle of generational poverty is persistent in


Appalachian region and the cities nearby? Why is the American Dream
particularly elusive for the residents of Jackson and Middletown? 


2. Vance discusses the inner conflict he feels as someone who has moved from
poverty into a higher social class, musing that "Sometimes I view members


of the elite with an almost primal scorn... But I have to give it to them:
Their children are happier and healthier, their divorce rates lower, their


attendance higher, their lives longer. These people are beating us at our
own damned game" (p. 253). While Vance's income bracket has presumably


his statement indicates that his identity remains tied to his working-class
roots. Is Vance now one of "these people," or do his childhood experiences


excuse him from acknowledging his current privilege? Do you think it's
possible to completely shift one's identity from one class to another? What


define social class, and how is class membership determined? 


3. In Vance's view, race and class seem to be two separate issues. In the
book's introduction, he writes, 


"This is not a story about why white people have more to complain about than
black people or any other 


group. That said, I do hope that readers of this book will be able to take
from it an appreciation of how 


class and family affect the poor without filtering their views through a
racial prism" (p. 7-8). At the same 


time, Vance discusses how people of different racial backgrounds experience
the world. He cites 


controversial political scientist Charles Murray's 1984 book Losing Ground,
calling it a "book about black 


folks that could have been written about hillbillies" (p. 144). What does
this comparison say about 


Vance's view of race and class? Is it possible to look at how class and
family affect the poor without 


considering race? What does Vance mean when he says, "filtering their views
through a racial prism"? 


4. While working in the Ohio Senate, the senators and policy staff Vance
worked with were debating a bill to curb payday-lending practices. Vance


that these policymakers "had little appreciation for the role of payday
lenders in the shadow economy that people like me occupied" (p. 185). Vance


on to say that using payday lending once allowed him to avoid a significant
bank overdraft fee, and that payday lending helped to "solve important


problems" (p. 185). What is the role of payday lending? Is Vance's
experience representative of payday lending clients? Why does Vance include
this anecdote


when discussing his own experience of poverty? 


5. Vance cites a report by the Wisconsin Children's Trust Fund stating that
well over half of working-class people had suffered at least one adverse


experience (ACE), and over 40 percent had experienced several (p. 226-7). He
writes extensively about his own traumatic childhood: his mother's drug


and arrest, the constant revolving door of father figures, and Papaw's
alcoholism, among others. Which of these experiences appear to affect Vance


deeply, and why? How does the author cope with and eventually break free
from such a difficult childhood? Although Vance acknowledges Mamaw's and


tumultuous marriage as a key factor in his mother's troubles-"Mom is the
Vance child who lost the game of statistics" (p. 232)-in what ways do his


actions and attitude contribute to his success? 


6. Throughout his memoir, Vance talks about government policy and programs.
At one point in the story, he describes his experience working at a grocery


store and his encounters with customers using food stamps: I "learned how
people gamed the welfare system. They'd buy two dozen-packs of soda with


stamps and then sell them at a discount for cash. They'd ring up their
orders separately, buying food with food stamps, and beer, wine, and


with cash" (p. 139). How does Vance portray people receiving government
assistance? How does this compare with his portrayal of his own family's


What other factors might impact the way people prioritize their spending?
Are there other issues and complexities that contribute to the poverty he



7. Poverty drives many residents of Jackson and other Appalachian
communities to migrate to industrialized towns with better employment


but those opportunities gradually erode. What role does globalization play
in industrialized communities like Middletown? What factors cause some


to stay, despite the economic warning signs? 


8. Vance provides many examples of lives interrupted and plagued by
addiction to alcohol and drugs, including his own mother's. Though his
mother's drug


addiction is ultimately what forces Vance to choose to permanently live with
Mamaw instead of his mother, Mamaw persuades him to help his mother cheat


on a drug test, saying, "I know this isn't right, honey. But she's your
mother and she's my daughter. And maybe, if we help her this time, she'll


learn her lesson" (p. 131). Throughout their lives, Vance's mother struggles
with her drug addiction, and Vance struggles with how much to help her,


and emotionally. Were Vance and Mamaw enabling his mother to continue using
drugs by helping her pass the drug test? What are some other examples of


use that Vance includes in the book? Does his analysis of the drug epidemic
provide a clear portrait of the problems facing America? 


9. In the book's introduction, Vance states that his success had little to
do with his own intelligence or extraordinary ability, and much more to do


"a handful of loving people" who rescued him (p. 2). Despite this,
throughout the book Vance draws attention again and again to the element of


responsibility, perhaps nowhere so clearly as in relating Mamaw's flood
parable: "God helps those who help themselves" (p. 87). Where else do you
see this


tension between personal responsibility and the need for familial,
governmental, or social support? 


10. According to Vance, Mamaw "loathed disloyalty, and there was no greater
disloyalty than class betrayal" (p. 15). Later in the book, Vance relates a


story in which he cannot bring himself to tell a stranger at a gas station
that he is a student at Yale, acknowledging that this incident: "highlights


the inner conflict inspired by rapid upward mobility: I had lied to a
stranger to avoid feeling like a traitor" (p. 205). Vance has achieved


Mamaw wished for him, so why does his success feel like a betrayal? In what
way does Vance's success echo or conflict with the role models he


throughout his life (e.g., the Blanton men, Mamaw and Papaw, his biological


11. Reflecting upon his service in the Marine Corps and his childhood, Vance
states, "Psychologists call it 'learned helplessness' when a person


as I did during my youth, that the choices I made had no effect on the
outcomes in my life. If I had learned helplessness at home, the Marines were


learned willfulness" (p. 163). What do you think Vance means by this
statement? How did the Marine Corps change Vance? What life skills did he
find especially


valuable, and how did his service, particularly his time in Iraq, affect his
college experience and his perception of fellow students at Ohio State? 


12. Vance discusses education in a multitude of ways. At one point he
states, "In Middletown, 20 percent of the public high school's entering


won't make it to graduation. Most won't graduate from college" (p. 56).
Though Vance struggled in school through much of his childhood, when he


with his grandmother his senior year, he was able to focus on school and
found teachers who inspired his love of learning (p. 151). He remembers when


spent $180 on a graphing calculator when they had little money for other
things like cell phones and nice clothes (p. 137). In the end, Vance goes on


earn a law degree from Yale. How does Vance view the role of education in
society and its impact on his own life? What are the factors that allow


to excel in school? And what is society's role in ensuring external factors
don't impede educational opportunities? 


13. In spite of his identity as a tall, white, straight male, Vance felt out
of place at Yale, noting, "A part of me had thought I'd finally be revealed


as an intellectual fraud, that the administration would realize they'd made
a terrible mistake and send me back to Middletown with their sincerest


(p. 201). From confusing financial aid forms, to social class signifiers
("tap or sparkling" water), to critical steps for professional advancement


in law journals), first-generation college students often encounter
intentional or unintentional gatekeeping mechanisms which can communicate to


students that they don't belong. What can be done to, as Vance puts it,
"create a space for the J.D.s" (p. 256) of the world in higher education?
How do


systems work to discourage upward mobility and keep people within their
social groups? 


14. Given the examples he encountered throughout his life, Vance appears to
associate religiosity and church attendance with success, and social


with poverty and poor choices. For Vance, religion also appears to be
inextricably tied to familial acceptance. Reflecting on his inability to ask


father questions about evangelical theology, Vance notes: "I didn't know
whether he'd tell me I was a spawn of Satan and send me away" (p. 124). In


conclusion, Vance positions the young man Brian's precarious fate with,
among other things, "whether he can access a church that teaches him lessons


Christian love, family, and purpose" (p. 255). Does religion play a role in
upward social mobility? Is participation in a religious group necessary for


personal and economic success? 


15. In chapter 11, Vance talks about conspiracy theories that he hears in
his community. For example, 


he describes how people believe that President Barack Obama was neither born
in the U.S. nor a 


Christian. Vance asserts that Obama "feels like an alien to many
Middletonians for reasons that have 


nothing to do with skin color. Recall that not a single one of my high
school classmates attended an Ivy 


League school. Barack Obama attended two of them and excelled at both" (p.
191). However, ten 


pages later, Vance then recounts that "Yale had educated two of the three
most recent Supreme Court 


justices and two of the six most recent presidents, not to mention the
sitting secretary of state (Hillary 


Clinton)" (p. 202). This suggests that the questioning of President Obama's
birthplace and religion was 


unique among high-level government officials. Why did Obama's success
"strike at the heart of [this 


community's] deepest insecurities" (p. 191) in a way that other government
officials' success did 


not? Does this narrative of "elitism" serve to mask other forms of
exclusion, including racism? 


16. In the introduction, Vance provides multiple reasons for writing his
memoir and suggests that he wants people to understand the lives of poor


When reading the book, do you see any tension between Vance's telling of his
own story and his cultural analysis of the "hillbilly" way of life? Can one


person's experience represent an entire group's? Is Vance's book more
successful as a memoir, or as a cultural analysis? Why? 


17. A number of people have pointed to Hillbilly Elegy to explain the
results of the 2016 election. In the memoir, Vance recalls how at the age of


he realized that the "'party of the working man'-the Democrats-weren't all
they were cracked up to be" (p. 140). He goes on to argue that people in


and the South "went from being staunchly Democratic to staunchly Republican
in less than a generation" (p. 140), and attributes a big part of this shift


to white working-class people seeing other poor people take advantage of
government assistance. Do you agree with Vance's assertion? Are there


in using one individual's experience to explain larger social shifts? Do you
think this book explains the results of the 2016 election? 


Questions courtesy of University of Wisconsin-Madison and Madison Public


For more information please visit gobigread.wisc.edu

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